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^ Thanks Mike and Nickie. Yes, difficult for me too, to choose one of these. I will probably go for the shorter and lesser known one...
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An addition from Christian and first thoughts on Kees' entries.
Christian: Tristeza “Halo Heads” Shimmery sounds with percussion start this
one out, sounds like on keyboards, for the shimmers. Then guitars enter, in a very hypnotic
repition and roll back to just the guitars and percussion for a few, rejoined
by keys again. There is a psychedelic
sensibility to this, to my ear. It is
very much lighter than much music I’ve heard like this (post-rock). The aural scene shifts about 4 minutes in
with a different kind of shimmer than previous.
Light synth touches come in and the piece sort of saunters to a
close. Not sure which of these two I like
better.
Kees: Frutería Toñi “ traspié” Here we begin with a sort of orchestral/jazz sound
of whimsy. Keys, some sort of flutes/oboes?
and strings all dance along with an enchanting, syncopated drumbeat. Male vocalist, with a pleasant voice is
introduced. This is very engaging, even
though I’ve no idea what he’s singing about.
Violin comes soaring in, then back to the vocals, which become a little
more vehement, although it’s all generally very laid back and light in
feel. Very pretty, dancing with the
horns and such, then a fun little break ensues, and back again to the
violin. The pace suddenly picks up with
the bass and drums at the front, then sliding horns and keys, almost like
another piece entirely, with the singer becoming much more emphatic. They slip off into a bass and horns forward
jam while the singer continues in his more strident manner, ending up with
wailing a bit. Then back again to the
very jazzy feel of the band, with horns at the fore. Abrupt ending. Stephan Thelen “Road Movie” Bass opens the piece, with fuzzy guitar washes
and drums quickly joining in. There is
an effected guitar whangling along also, with drippy, echo-y notes. Some very angular guitar lead notes come
along, then more of the drippy, echo-y, whangling ones reenter. Really enjoyable and intriguing lead guitar
follows, kind of surf-guitar influenced.
Space-type rock, I always enjoy music like this, and this is no
exception. Some feedback-y and echo-y
guitar licks are played, we’re now about halfway in, with drums and bass
happily bubbling along under. Some nice
psych is peppered in, and the piece seems to slow, although it’s just the
guitar that is doing a long, slow something, drums and bass and steady as can
be, and as before. Not sure which of
your two I enjoy more, either. Very
pointed and effected guitar comes along for the ride. Definitely great driving music! Heckadocious, this one will be difficult! |
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Lewian: Tristeza – “Halo Heads” – It’s nice to hear a more positive vibe in post rock. You can tell that it is post rock, but the lighter tone gives it a somewhat different sound than what you hear from their contemporaries. The jangly guitar, the twinkling keys and the smooth undertones moves this forward gives it all a colorful sound. I do like the more varied moods in the .O.rang track better, but this one is a nice change of pace. Kees: Frutería Toñi – “El traspié” – A playful and melodic progressive jazz sound with the added violins make this a pleasant listen. The sudden changes in tempo, style and rhythm keep it fresh and interesting throughout. Great bass in the 2nd half. Love the instrumental break at 6 minutes, the high notes from the lead singer and some of the instrumental hijinx reminds me a bit of Phish, which is great thing. Stephan Thelen – “Road Movie” – This is one that I’m very familiar with, so it’s out of the running for me. Here is my take on this track from my review posted a few years ago: "Road Movie" has Stephen using fractal guitar and
a blue sky guitar as well as granular loops. Guests use other electric guitars,
atmospherics, and both U8 touch guitar and bass. The rhythmic foundation has a
boiling bass and drum pattern that is a bit reminiscent of Pink Floyd, but with
guitar chords making for a more tense atmosphere. A beautiful and somewhat
shimmering melody is played on top of this, and is later joined by a more
intense melody on top of it. Power and intensity ebbs and flows throughout the
track with a nice variation of sound coming from the different guitars and
effects improvised over it all. The continuation of the rhythm throughout and
the use of improvisation gives this track a space rock vibe, but with a huge
amount of experimentation involved. Also, all of the guests get a chance to
solo on this and their performances were added to the track. |
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You have time, we will not open up voting until 1 Oct
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I hope i'm not too late to suggest a nomination. I have one lined up and will post when i have more time this weekend, hopefully tomorrow.
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@Nickie I prefer Charlie Cawoo's song. Thanks for your thanks very precise explanation of how the poll works. @Mike I prefer Mercury Tree's Song. (Anyaway, I've already voted for a song by Fovea in another poll: it's a band which I marked in my diary)
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Here is my first take on the remainder of Page One:
George: Onségen Ensemble “Think Neither Good Nor Evil” Repeated washy vocals start this one out,
with punchy electric guitar, drums and bass cutting through, dropping to just
the instruments. Ornate guitar lead over
crunchy chords continue on. A spoken vocal,
slightly buried (deliberately, it would seem), adds an eerie effect. A chorus-y part enters, chantlike, under the
continuing repeating heavy sound. Flute
flutters in (surprise!), and the distant vocals carry on. There is an underpinning of some sort of
brass (or perhaps done on keyboard), added in the final quarter. The music concludes with heavy repeated notes
and then, suddenly, down to a (female?) ahahahahahahah vocal to the end. Jonas Hellborg “Art Metal” This is also a heavier piece, with very tight
starts and stops, guitar, bass and drum driven.
It speeds up in perfect synchronized syncopation. Diverges into whingles and quick percussive
sounds, along with fading in and out choral sounds (perhaps on keyboards). The guitar begins to meander, then band kicks
in in full again, still choppy synched, and drops again. Bass whomps in again to the fore, with a
tease, and then back full bore, about halfway in. The pace continues to pick up and alternate
between percussion and the other instruments.
Back to choppy guitar bursts and steady, rapid hand percussion. The return of the whingles, and then some
more punchy syncopation commences. Not
surprisingly, it ends quite abruptly. I
do prefer your first one, overall. someone_else: Alejandro Matos “El Infierno de los Buenos” Lone electric piano and a male singer, singing in Spanish opens the piece. Electric guitar joins in, slowly building the musical tension. 3 ½ minutes in, drums are added, fairly far back in a marching beat. Synths and bass layer in at about 5 minutes. I quite enjoy the slow build and pacing of this, he is obviously patient with his presentation, which I find refreshing. Now electric guitar is back, in a very impassioned, yet also precisely measured way. Now, heavy keyboards are creating a very marching sort of feel, with a lovely embellishment from the electric guitar. A bit of an instrumental break with organ and washing synths, creating an almost mystical atmosphere. He sings here in a different kind of voice, sort of almost like a dark whispery (without actually whispering, if that makes any sense), there is more of a feeling of malevolence here. The synths come back to the fore, as the sense of foreboding is heightened. Now down to just spare acoustic piano notes, with bass and drums way back. The piano conveys a sense of madness, to my mind, as it is sinister and a bit discordant. Heavy electric guitar comes back. The vocal feels as if the singer is coming to terms with how far he’s come on this journey. The song slows after the crescendo, with organ swells slowly fading. I prophesy disaster: Snakefinger “The Picture Makers Vs. Children Of The Sea” Cuts right to the chase, with whanging guitars and a spoken vocal. Very angular sound to this, as the piece continues, the vocalist begins to sing. Very heavy guitars continue whanging as there is a bit of a changeup, then back to the first speaking-tone of the verses. There is a sarcastic tone to the vocals. The guitar turns into a lead, with lots of fuzz. The music dies down to notes played on an organ (or harmonium?), it sounds like, now with softly sung vocals, as opposed to the very in-your-face style previous. Sustained organ note, then back to the whanging and angular guitar lead over, with spoken-ish vocals, almost going out of key. Organ-ish and soft vocals reappear. Back to the whanging/lead/spoken-ish part, then the organ-ish-ing again; then the whanging-ish part again, then the organ-ish-ing. The song ends on a sustained note on the organ-thing. Daddy Cool “Make Your Stash” With a name like “Daddy Cool,” I was expecting more of a rockabilly sort of something (which would be really unusual to mix with progressive), but, no. This is another kind of tongue-in-cheek sort of vocalist, with a different sing-songy voice than the previous one. There are elements that sound almost Zappa-ish to me, with the style of instrumentation and kinds of layering and instrumentation, such as horns merrily joining in. The horns sound almost like (or may be) a kazoo during the break about halfway in. The musicianship is quite able, and wanders off into more of a jazz feel (also Zappa-esque). This is my favourite of the two. Mirakaze:
Rascal Reporters “Egos Explode” This
begins with washy sounds (lots of washiness in prog, no?) Sort of an orchestral waterfall in front of
electric lead guitar. The piece begins
in earnest, it sounds like, as full band comes in, still with the waterfall
effect going strong. There are some
whirly-swirlies injected with chorded guitars providing the majority of the melody. It’s almost as if there are two things going
on, like you’re in one of those clubs with two rooms, and each band is very
different than the other in the hallway between the two. The piece concludes fairly abruptly. Louis De Mieulle “Discoteak”
(before I listen, love the artwork, very Fleischer-like). Repeated synthed keyboards syncopate alone,
and are pretty quickly joined by drums and bass. (Now that I see the video, it looks like they
are using Fleischer cartoon clips). The music clips along at a great pace,
without much alteration in it’s general style.
Yet. About halfway in, now we get
some weeeewaaaaaaaweeeeeees from a synth, it sounds like. The sound drops to a quieter and less hurried
wip wip wom woms and then a synth lead, peppered with those wip wip thingies. Bass
solo kinda near the end. There is a very
spacy synth and organ pairing, escorting the dancers all back to their seats. 😊
This is my favourite of your two.
dr wu23: Jonesy “Ricochet” Wah wahed guitar is the first heard, then
orchestral-y synth, which does a descent and then starts back up. Great sense of foreward motion to this. And a GREAT soulful vocal. This has a more standard song structure, but
the music is very much more interesting to me than standard songs are. The chorus has the vocals stacked on one
another. Quick little drum and bass duet
for a few seconds about ¾ ths in. Sound
of a live marching band oddly ends the piece.
Well produced and very engaging.
Odin “Life Is Only” Bass and
washy keys, joined up quickly by guitar, bass and drums. Pointed, angular guitar. Moves into another section pretty quickly, 70’s? This time with organ being the pointed and
angular instrument. Some vocals kick in,
a kind of bluesy feel to this one, but complicated, instead of regular
blues. Pretty heavy sound with these
guys, a bit Purply. Wah wah lead guitar
and on to another verse. Song moves into
more guitar leads, lots of jamming on this one, but good jamming. Next is an organ solo jam bit, then back to
the guitar being at the fore, and then trading back to the organ. I like this one for the nostalgic feel, but I
love the vocalist with Jonesy, so going with them for my fave of the two. |
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Here are my thoughts on the rest of page 1. Wow there is a lot of great stuff here on this poll.
Geo: Onsegen Ensemble – “Think Neither Good Nor Evil” – Nice, solid and heavy mostly guitar prog with some added embellishments and instruments (like the flute and brass here) that keep things interesting. The choirs they add in are nice too. The 2nd half almost has a cinematic feel to it. Art Metal (Jonas Hellborg) – “Art Metal” – Excellent sounding art metal/jazz with a lot of changing textures and moods. At times it is quite structured and other times it is very free and improvisational. Quite an amazing track with that bass just kicking butt, and that whirlwind of an ending just cements it. I love this kind of stuff, so this is my favorite out of your two selections. Robert: Alejandro Matos – “El Infierno de los Buenos” – An interesting track which grows in tension slowly as it goes along. The melody doesn’t change much which works against it, but the entire track itself, at least instrumentally, works similar to a suite with the melody taking on variations as it goes. The music is pretty good, but it might be a bit too long as the variation in the melody is not enough to keep it interesting for 18 minutes. Otherwise, it is well written, well sung and well performed. K W: Snakefinger – “The Picture Makers Vs. Children of the Sea” – Anything with Snakefinger in it has got to be good…or if not good, at least it is very interesting. Unfortunately, I’m only really familiar with a lot of what he did with The Residents, so his solo stuff is mostly new to me, like this track. You get that cool fuzzy guitar sound and odd vocals that you can expect on this track, sung and spoken, almost in a conversational way at times. I love the oddball sound of this track, and of course I love the guitar work here. It takes an interesting left turn after 4 minutes, going minimal with more of a harmonized chant before blasting off with another melody. Snakefinger is a brilliant composer and is way too unknown. Daddy Cool – “Make Your Stash” – Here we have more quirky goofiness, but in a more psychedelic style which is mostly apparent in the instrumental breaks. The vocals sound like they could become unhinged at any time. I have always had a strange attraction to this quirky style, so I like this one too, but I would have to go with the Snakefinger track as my favorite of the two. Mira: Rascal Reporters – “Egos Explode” – As you know, I’m already a fan of this band and I love the album this comes from. This track makes my head whirl (in a very good way) with all the synth washes and crazy beat that shows up later in the track. This is the kind of quirkiness I love, but since I’m already familiar with this one, it is out of the running for a vote from me at least. Louis De Meiulle – “Discoteak” – Another great track from a rather unknown artist. Love the animation that goes with the music, it’s perfect. I have also done a review on this album and love it a lot. The beat is a bit more consistent with this one, but that actually gives this track its appeal for me. The composition is complex and excellently orchestrated. If I wasn’t already familiar with either of these tracks, I would vote for either of them, but for some reason, this time around, I found De Meiulle’s a bit more enchanting. Great selections! Will: I was really looking forward to hearing your choices. I wish you hadn’t deleted them. Doug: Jonesy – “Ricochet” – Love the funky introduction that establishes itself and continues through the track. I also love that 70’s sound. The vocals are nice and smooth even with the appealing funkiness of it all, and that cool, spy-movie vibe. I wish it wouldn’t fade out so quickly on that guitar solo at the end. Everything about this is good and I think I’ll be exploring their music (and looking for it on vinyl) thanks to your submission here. Odin – “Life is Only” – This one continues that great 70’s vibe, but this time around, it is heavier and a tad more complex. This one is a more serious sounding track. I love the churning organ throughout. Not a big fan of the vocals, but it’s not a major issue. The instrumental section is also nice in the 2nd half. My preference is with your first selection. Thanks for bringing the 70’s vibe and featuring lesser known bands from that era. |
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Thank you for your thoughts, Logan and also your selection.
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Hi, I'm going to be really busy over the next week -- might still post here and there at the forum but I might miss the nomination time so I would like to make my nomination known now:
I nominate
As for your picks Nickie, I appreciate both, but I prefer Charlie Cawood - "Flicker Out Of Being". Edited by Logan - September 22 2021 at 21:44 |
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Thank you so much, George!
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^ Very much appreciated! I was just starting to listen to the suggestions...
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I have had some more free time and been able to listen early this time around so I I have put together a playlist with the suggestions so far.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-zzvl_w6Fx7vNuorMSiQwojGr9U7FwER |
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Time to chime in... A first one from Spain. Labelled crossover prog here, three albums out up till now, respectively 15, 17 and 26 ratings. A touch of jazz, a dose of retro prog with some freshness added to it, thanks also to the instrumentation, and a tiny bit of madness here and there... From their latest album El porvenir está en las huevas (2020) : Frutería Toñi - El traspié: And then, from Switzerland, maybe more known for his work with Sonar, and that is how I got to this album. Just in time, because it has already 46 ratings here (catalogued under RIO/Avant-prog), whereas all his other albums only have 0 to 7 ratings... I couldn't find a yt-link, so it will be bandcamp. From the album Fractal Guitar (2019): Stephan Thelen - Road Movie: Edited by suitkees - September 22 2021 at 09:26 |
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Daddy Cool do not appear on PA, but the compilation album containing the track does appear on PA. Edited by I prophesy disaster - September 22 2021 at 02:54 |
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I suggest a second one just for fun, even though I'm pretty much settled on .O.rang, but this one is a very different type of post rock that I love for very different reasons. In fact it spins around in my inner ear for days now. Tristeza - Halo Heads (5 ratings, 22 for the band overall) PS Grumpy: I'd have liked to have your suggestions here... didn't get through to listening to them but would've looked forward to it. Minnemann is the mann.
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Will post both impressions, and address both at the same time. Thanks for the write-ups, it's truly appreciated (not that you would doubt my sincerity...). I love that William Sheller album, and I love Carmina Burana (the whole thing, not just "O Fortuna"), but then I love choral music, of which there is much in the album. I like its synthesis of classical style music with rock music. I almost went with another that is of a similar ilk, and that is Jean-Claude Vannier's L'enfant assassin des mouches, but my favourite track off that I'm pretty sure was one of my significant mentions in one of these polls (I could check, but that kind of spoils the fun. My memory hopefully will improve when I can get my hypo-thyroidism under control and get some decent sleep). With this topic I have been torn in different directions, whereas usually I feel pretty confident in my initial decisions. William Sheller was promising conservatory student in the "classical" (western art music) tradition, but when he got into The Beatles, it changed his direction (reputedly his instructors were upset about that), The most famous and acclaimed I would say track of that is "Introit", which was made more popular by being sampled by the hip hop act Deltron 3030. I have mentioned "Introit" (off Lux Aeterna) quite a few times at the forum. As for Perry Leopold, I adore the album Chrsitian Lucifer, and like his voice (it's a top five album in Prog Folk for me). I remembered bringing it up before (mentioned it quite a few times at the forum), so maybe I shouldn't have again or mentioned a different track from it. His voice somewhat reminds me of the vocals in the Canadian band Crash Test Dummies. Somewhat reminds me, I'm not saying it's the same in case someone misunderstands me. I have got quite a few, "They sound nothing alike" comments over the years when I draw comparisons, so I'm wary to qualify my remarks and wary to make such remarks. With the song by Crash Test Dummies which I expect many here would have heard, "Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm", I heard it being parodied with these adapted lyrics: "Once there was this kid who sang in such a stupid voice which he thought sounded cool. He didn't have the chance to realise it sounded like he was forcing a stool. He thought, he thought he sounded like thunder, But he was just a one hit wonder. Mmm mmm mm mmm." Sorry for the digression. Perry Leopold does not have that same stool pushing quality, but it's a kind of gruffness. And I like "Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm". Edited by Logan - September 21 2021 at 15:02 |
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I never said you did anything wrong, just disagreed with your assessment about Experimental Quartet. Snicolette is thanking me for explaining the rules to you. You did nothing wrong. [/QUOTE] Cristi is correct, just thanking him for getting to you sooner than I could. Also, you did nothing wrong, as well.
Aslo, no need to withdraw, apologies for anything misconstrued. Edited by Snicolette - September 21 2021 at 14:26 |
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