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jamesbaldwin 
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 Posted: September 18 2021 at 12:09 |
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@Christian @Mike You have touched on the matter very well. Springsteen plays heartland rock / folk and blues. His songs are conventional (even if they constitute a synthesis, a very composite mixture of black and white music) and so lovers of prog or cultured, electronic, avant-garde, jazz, etc. music do not like them very much. But seeing him live is a very different experience than listening to his records. Leaving aside the technical skill of him and the members of the band, Springsteen plays 4 hours in concerts. The first time I saw him, in 1988, he took a 40 minute break between first and second part of the concert, so he played 3 hours 20 minutes. With the passage of time, he has removed the interval and therefore the concert has no breaks and last 3,45 hours. You see he never wants to stop playing. See how sorry he has to go away. Five or six years ago, at the age of 67-68, I saw him do the somersault on stage after more than 3 hours of concert. Tom Morello, 15 years younger than him, said that the Rage Against the Machine concerts were pure adrenaline rush, they were as searing as a 100m run. The concerts with Springsteen were a surprise for him because he discovered that he was not trained, he compared them to an endurance race that, at the beginning, put him in great difficulty physically and mentally. All of this has little to do with music. A person may prefer a one and a half hour concert played by... God to a Springsteen concert, longer but perhaps not perfectly played. It is legitimate. In fact, I'm not talking about the musical content or the performance of the instrumentalists. I'm talking about the emotional matter, the soul and the passion. Springsteen wants to give body and soul until exhaustion, otherwise he doesn't feel like a worker who has given his duty, as if he were a miner or a farmer. There is therefore a work ethic that drives Springsteen concerts. But it is not only this, because Springsteen, like many introverted actors or artists, is a person who struggles to confide in and talk to those who are close to him but at the same time when he goes on stage he opens his heart to the public in an incredible way. And therefore he does not want to interrupt the emotional communion that he establishes with the public, he wants to exasperate the songs in a crescendo that reaches the paroxysm, the sensation of a sonorous orgasm, when you lose control and reach moments similar to the ecstasy of meditation. And so it happens that he transforms an acoustic and slow track like The Ghost of Tom Joad into an epic rock ballad with a mesmeric ending. And try to think what it's like to finish a 4-hour concert with a song like The Ghots of Tom Joad and then, after 15 minutes, while you are taking the stairs to exit the stadium, with the lights on, see that Bruce surprisingly returns to the stage, alone, guitar and harmonica, to sing one last song. It is happened to me. Edited by jamesbaldwin - September 18 2021 at 13:17 |
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Posted: September 18 2021 at 16:01 |
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I'm not ordering my votes; these should all be seen as three-way tie: - I haven't really delved into Nick Drake's music before but "River Man" is truly beautiful. The chord progression is lovely and becomes truly awe-inspiring once the strings set in. I can totally get how this sparks strong emotions in people, and taken together with Greg's story and Drake's own tragic life, this ended up getting to me as well. - "Cristo Redentor". Again, just wonderful. The mournful choral introduction and the sax and piano solos feel like they're in worlds of their own and yet they somehow blend splendidly. The parts that are in G Minor remind me a bit of "The Great Gig In The Sky". - Well, if I am not to exclude songs that I know well, how can I not vote for "21st Century Schizoid Man" when it's one of the songs that turned me into the proghead I am today? It's still a masterpiece 52 years down the line. Honourable mention goes to "Din Nou Acasă" which didn't quite hit me on the same emotional level as the three songs above but it's still a perfectly fine little prog ditty that I didn't know yet, so thanks
 . I think out of all of these polls that I've participated in, this has been the most rewarding experience. |
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Posted: September 18 2021 at 17:36 |
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Thank you, Mirakaze, and also for your thoughts.
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Posted: September 19 2021 at 04:42 |
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For me, the most interesting thing of these "interactive polls" is discovering - for me - new music, so normally I also vote for the ones I didn't know yet, as I will do now. All tracks were a very good listen (thanks for the playlist, George!), but these three were the most pleasurable new discoveries: - Donald Byrd - Cristo Redentor (wonderful, captivating jazz...) -
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Posted: September 19 2021 at 07:59 |
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And thank you, Kees, for your Byrd vote and also the commentary.
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Posted: September 19 2021 at 14:20 |
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I'm a trad kind of guy so....
Drake-River Man KC-21st Century.... ELP-Trilogy ,,,,but Drake of those 3..... that song and most of his work is deeply emotional and at times heartbreaking.
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Mila-13
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Posted: September 19 2021 at 15:05 |
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My
votes, after all: Nick Drake An acoustic
guitar, a voice and a poetic soul. The beauty of melancholy. He has it all. A
great discovery! Donald Byrd From his
early days I know him primarily as a sideman of Coltrane, Dexter Gordon or
Sonny Rollins. Then in the 1970's he was producing
some of best jazz funk fusion ever. Yet, the suggested track shows another musical facet
of Byrd’s work. With his album “A New
Perspective” (1964) he takes a modern approach to the tradition of jazz interpretation
of African American spiritual music, in
particular by using a gospel choir in a jazz context. Awesome! Sfinx I’m largely unaware of the East European rock music scene from the Cold War era. So I’m all the more impressed by this 1970s Romanian band. Sure, the influences of prominent prog bands such as Genesis or ELO are clearly recognizable here but they did bring their own personal style to it. Hats off to them! It has never been more difficult to vote for me. Beautiful songs, each in its own way and each choice going with its own background story. I decided to give my vote to those artists or songs that surprised me and touched me most. It's purely a matter of heart. Thank you all for the music! I’m sorry
for the delay. I’m taking care of my mum. That makes planning difficult. I hope
you will understand that. Edited by Mila-13 - September 19 2021 at 15:10 |
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Posted: September 19 2021 at 15:23 |
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Voting Sanremo style?  |
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I don't hear any ELO influence with Sfinx. Possibly Yes and Genesis. On Sfinx debut album from 1975 if i remember right, there are some Emerson influences with the keyboardist. Famous bands could have been an influence I guess. Nevertheless it's strange how people state all sorts of influences with Romanian prog, especially in the 70s, but to be honest I don't know if any of the bands mentioned were an influence, after all eastern European countries were isolated and information was scarce. Western music was not easy to find, possibly Radio Free Europe was a source of listening to new music back then. It was forbidden after all to listen to that (or Voice of America), one could risk serious punishment if found listening to those radio stations. |
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Posted: September 19 2021 at 16:02 |
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I know, comparisons are always tricky but one thing is certain, musicians and artists in general always find a way to get around prohibitions. I'm familiar with the conditions in Socialist Yugoslavia and USSR, the first was an exception to some extent, though. |
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Posted: September 19 2021 at 16:09 |
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Sorry to hear of your needing to care for your mum again. And the Byrd vote. I am happy so many enjoyed hearing it, you add some more perspective on his career as well, with your comments. |
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Not ELO... ELOY. I could hear to strong influence in that track, but I couldn't identify it until I realised it was Eloy. Edited by I prophesy disaster - September 19 2021 at 16:26 |
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Posted: September 19 2021 at 16:25 |
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Eloy, there is a possibility.
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Mila-13
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Posted: September 19 2021 at 19:15 |
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Exactly, too many abbreviations here. ELP, ELO, ELOY . . lol |
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Eloy isn't an abbreviation though.
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Posted: September 20 2021 at 08:17 |
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In fact, at the Sanremo festival there is the critics' prize and the Sanremo audience prize! These prizes of mine generally ironize with the various film festivals where, in addition to the first prize, there is always a jury prize, and then there are endless accessory prizes. Sometimes I have also added special prizes. In this case I stopped at the two most classic awards: - that of criticism is often given to the most sophisticated, experimental or cultured art-work (sometimes, but not always, it is also the most incomprehensible and boring one, and depending on the case either goes down in history or goes into oblivion. Sometimes it should have won but being very distant from the people's tastes they rewarded it in this way) - The prize of the he public is the prize for the most pleasant opera, which does not always mean that the art-work is simple (but it is easily understood), sometimes it is beautiful but it is not rewarded for reasons of jealousy, or prejudice about the artist, or because it was considered too... popular or traditional. In this case, the public's prize I would have given it to the Springsteen song, but having proposed it myself ...  Edited by jamesbaldwin - September 20 2021 at 08:20 |
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@Greg and George
Thanks for your suffered storytelling.
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Great success for Cristo Redentor! Now I listen to it again!
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I love jazz and it's my mum who introduced me to that music genre. Sadly she is not likely to recover anytime soon and will need help for the time being. I will therfore have to skip the next poll. It doesn't make much sense to participate if I can't comment on the music. - I'm glad that you appreciated my song as well. I always try to add something a bit different into the mix. |
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Posted: September 21 2021 at 13:04 |
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I do wish you and your mum the best, Mila. I'm sure we all hope to see you back soon.
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