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    Posted: July 29 2023 at 14:39
I can't actually come up with any prog bands that pass this test. There are a bunch I know that have at last five great albums and a bunch that have four consecutively great albums, and some with a combination of the two. But none that have five consecutively great albums... with perhaps maybe two exceptions.

Kansas: eponymous - PoKR might be a stretch of five great albums; I just need to listen to Masque and revisit eponymous before I can say they pass this test, as I'm not yet familiar enough with these albums

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Yes: either eponymous or Time and a Word (I'm not familiar enough with either) through either Close to the Edge (if the former) or TfTO (if either the former or the latter) [I'm not familiar enough with TfTO, yet either]

Subterranean Masquerade currently has released four great albums; if their fifth album is as great as their previous four, they'll certainly pass the test so just gotta wait for that fifth album (which to my knowledge has yet to be confirmed)

Bands that don't make it but come close for me:

Orphaned Land: 5 of their 6 albums are great, but All is One, which is wedged between two of the great albums, is not a great album. They have four consecutively great albums, one not great album, and one more great album

Rush has five great albums, and four consecutively great albums: Caress of Steel through Hemispheres and Moving Pictures. Unfortunately, Permanent Waves breaks the streak for me, and thus they don't pass.

Renaissance has five great albums, with a streak of three: eponymous and Illusion, and then Ashes are Burning through SaOS. Prologue breaks the streak. While Novella and ASfAS are good, they're just not quite great imo.

Neurosis has four to five or six great albums imo, depending on whether you consider Neurosis and Jarboe to be a canonical Neurosis album worthy of being judged, here. The Word as Law, Through Silver in Blood, Times of Grace, AStNS, and Neurosis and Jarboe are great albums. I haven't fully listened to Souls at Zero yet, so I can't say how I feel about it, but I've always been turned off by the production on this one. Enemiea of the Sun is the one that makes the band fail the test - its good, but not great.

Pelican: Five of their six albums are great, but their fourth album, What We All Come to Need, just doesn't cut it and breaks their streak.

Queen's first four albums are great. Then in 1991, Innuendo was also great. The buncha mediocre to straight up bad albums in between (except for Jazz, which was decent) is what fails the test for them.

Cardiacs is a band that could potentially pass this test, I just need to listen to their discography in full. I like everything I've heard them yet, but they're still too unfamiliar for me.



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Working my way backwards, YES still passes the five album test, for me anyway, even if for no one else here. Tongue
 





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Galahad

1. Sleepers
2. Following Ghosts
3. Year Zero
4. Empires Never Last
5. Battle Scars
6. Beyond the Realms of Euphoria

Genesis

1. Nursey Cryme
2. Foxtrot
3. Selling England By the Pound
4. The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
5. A Trick of the Tail
6. Wind & Wuthering

Pendragon

1. The World
2. The Window of Life
3. The Masquerade Overture
4. Not of This World
5. Believe
6. Pure
7. Passion
8. Men Who Climb Mountains
9. Love Over Fear

Rush

1. 2112
2. A Farewell to Kings
3. Hemispheres
4. Permanent Waves
5. Moving Pictures
6. Signals
7. Grace Under Pressure
8. Power Windows

Yes

1. The Yes Album
2. Fragile
3. Close to the Edge
4. Tales From Topographic Oceans
5. Relayer
6. Going for the One
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rednight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2021 at 11:52
[QUOTE=Sacro_Porgo] Yes pass based on ratings, and they have not just 5, but 6 in a row, that do it.

The Yes Album ~ 4.31
Fragile ~ 4.46
Close To The Edge ~ 4.67
Tales From Topographic Oceans ~ 3.90
Relayer ~ 4.37
Going For The One ~ 4.05

Unfortunately, TFTO breaks the string and is mostly excess baggage.
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Floyd from Meddle to The Wall (ObC is a soundtrack, but I think it's great anyway)
Genesis from Nursery Cryme to ATOTT
ELP from s/t to BSS (I usually don't include live albums but Pictures counts for reasons already mentioned)
Yes from The Yes Album to Going for the One
Crimson I'm not sure. Everything from the debut to Discipline is good enough, but some of them for me just arne't too good, like SABB and Lizard. Also I'm not as fond of Larks' as many others are. I rate Poseidon more than many do, same for Islands. I'd say no. Same for Tull. Many great albums, but there's some not that great in between because they were releasing albums too often. VDGG, Camel, Gentle Giant and Rush also don't make it for me, similar situation to Tull and Crimson, some not that good albums in between.
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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

to clarify the OP was suggesting a Test and assuming it's inherent importance. I believe consistency is overrated , and why I think King Crimson were so important than ELP, Yes or Genesis . They had variation of ideas much more so than those bands and perhaps even more importantly influenced contemporary artists and bands. That's a more real test imo.
 
The test isn't about consistency of ideas, it's about consistency of quality. And King Crimson, in spite of their eclecticism, do have eight consecutive albums above 3.8.
 


really missing the point I'm trying and failing to get across it seems. Progressive rock was never about consistency in any form and quality is largely subjective. I get very annoyed with the whole consistency thing. Bands can always remain consistent (quality and ideas) if they don't take chances. Its just too easy ultimately to keep honing the same idea. My feeling since I was 12 years old is that this is an anathema to creativity and evolution. Nothing changed my feeling on this. However you can value whatever you want at the end of the day. I'm not telling people how to think or how to live their lives just pointing out there is no empirical test for greatness. I have copied the OP below for reference and highlight in bold the offending bits.

 

The 5 album test is a test for all time greatness for a musical artist. To pass the test, an artist must have 5 consecutive albums that are “great”. Great is obviously subjective, but that’s what makes this so interesting! What are some bands you think qualify, and what is their five album stretch? I’ll start with a couple easy ones:

1. Rush (2112, AFTK, Hemispheres, Permanent Waves, Moving Pictures)
2. Genesis (Foxtrot, SEBTP, TLLDOB, Trick of the Tail, W&W)

What else do you got?
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Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Bands with a major or minor hiatus:
Van der Graaf Generator: The Least We Can Do thru Still Life (hiatus: Pawn Hearts)
Yes: The Yes Album thru Going for the One (hiatus: TfTO)


This just goes to prove how subjective this all is, given that Pawn Hearts is at number 13 in the PA Top 100 and TFTO is just under 4 stars.
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Very few have achieved a consecutive series of 5 or more great albums:

Anekdoten: Vemod thru Until All the Ghosts Are Gone
Big Big Train: The Underfall Yard thru Grand Tour1
Genesis: Nursery Cryme thru Wind and Wuthering
Gentle Giant: s/t thru Interview
Pink Floyd: Ummagumma thru Animals
Yes: No.

Bands with a major or minor hiatus:
Van der Graaf Generator: The Least We Can Do thru Still Life (hiatus: Pawn Hearts)
Yes: The Yes Album thru Going for the One (hiatus: TfTO)


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Strawbs with "From the Witchwood" thru "Ghosts" managed 5 straight great albums.  "Bursting at the Seams" is the middle one and it may not be a prog fan favourite but it certainly has a lot of fans outside of prog, with allmusic saying its their best album.  If you add in the fine Dave Cousins solo album released in the midst of all that, you have 6 different albums of high quality.  That they sound so different is striking given that few singers could be mistaken for Dave Cousins.  I might even add the previous studio album "Dragonfly"

Eloy from 1976 to 1982 (Dawn thru Time to Turn)...I'm not crazy about "Silent Cries" but many rate it very highly)

Moodys from DOFP thru Seventh Sonjourn even though I don't like "On the Threshold" much

Camel - Mirage to Breathless.  another example of a group that Progressed.  I would argue that you could add I can see your House and Nude to that

Le Orme from Uomo thru Florian.. I myself don't like Contrapunti but many do.  also not content to do the same album over and over

Renaissance - Ashes thru A Song for all seasons.  some would argue it started one album before with Prologue

Anyone's Daughter - Adonis thru Neue Sterne...allowing for the live "Piktors Verwandlungen" (since there was no studio version of this piece) which many regard as their best though it isn't a personal favourite of mine.  And they did this albuost entirely in the 1980s

Steeleye Span hit their stride with "Below the Salt" and had a more than solid run thru "Rocket Cottage" (6 albums)

Mike Oldfield - I don't quite rate Hergest Ridge and Incantations as top shelf but many do, which makes Tubular Bells thru Five Miles out a run of 7.  

Clannad certainly has 5 excellent albums or more in there, but with a few interruptions like the "just good" "Cran Ull" and "Legend", spanning their debut thru Macalla (8 albums)

in non prog realms, I could add groups like Runrig, Oysterband, 

Newer neo folk groups Corde Oblique and Sangre de Muerdago have both gone on enviable runs

I'm sure I am missing many
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In my opinion, a better way to determine a band's overall quality would be to average out their ratings across their entire discography. Why shouldn't bands be penalized for releasing crap during the tail end of their career?

For each album, multiply the rating by number of seconds giving each album a point total.
Add the points and seconds for each album, then divide the total points by the total seconds.

Perhaps someone with an interest in statistics and more time than myself might have some fun with this?
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Guess i'll cover the world of heavy prog and metal since many artists have not been mentioned yet
According to me, not PA!

Anekdoten
Vemod to Until All The Ghosts Are Gone

Between The Buried And Me
The Silent Circus to Colors II

Borknagar
Debut to Empiricism

Buckethead
Bucketheadland to Somewhere Over The Slaughthouse
Probably more but too much to figure out

Bumblefoot / Ron Thal
The Adventures of Bumblefoot to Abnormal

Coroner
Punishment For Decadence to Coroner

Death
Scream Bloody Gore to The Sound of Perseverance

Deathspell Omega
Si Monumentum Requires, Circumspice to The Furnaces of Palingenesia

Devil Doll
The Girl Who Was... Death to Dies Irae

Enslaved
Vikingligr Veldi to Utgard

Fates Warning
The Spectre Within to Parallels

Gojira
Terra Incognita to Fortitude

Gorguts
The Erosion of Sanity to Pleiades' Dust

Gorod
Neurotripsicks to Æthra

Haken
Aquarius to Virus

Ihsahn
The Adversary to Amr

Intronaut
Void to Fluid Existential Inversions

Isis
Celestial to Wavering Radiant

Leprous
Aeolia to Aphelion

Marty Friedman
Dragon's Kiss to Music For Speeding

Mastodon
Remission to The Hunter

Meshuggah
Destroy Erase Imrpove to The Violent Sleep Of Reason

Moonsorrow
Suden Uni to Jumalten Aika

My Dying Bride
The Light At The End Of The World to For Lies I Sire

Neurosis
Souls At Zero to Given To The Rising

Ocean, The
Fluxion to Panerozoic II

Opeth
Orchid to In Cauda Venenum

Pain of Salvation
Entropia to Be

Porcupine Tree
On The Sunday Of Life to Fear Of A Blank Planet

Psychotic Waltz
A Social Grace to The God Shaped Void

Queensryche
Debut EP to Promised Land

Rhapsody (of Fire)
Legendary Tales to The Eighth Mountain

Rush
Debut to Grace Under Pressure

Shadow Gallery
Carved In Stone to Digital Ghosts

Sigh
Infidel Art to Heir To Despair

Symphony X
The Divine Wings of Tragedy to Underworld

Therion
Theli to Gothic Kabbalah

Thy Catalfalque
Sublunary Tragedies to Vadak

That's all i can think of at the moment!

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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

to clarify the OP was suggesting a Test and assuming it's inherent importance. I believe consistency is overrated , and why I think King Crimson were so important than ELP, Yes or Genesis . They had variation of ideas much more so than those bands and perhaps even more importantly influenced contemporary artists and bands. That's a more real test imo.
 
The test isn't about consistency of ideas, it's about consistency of quality. And King Crimson, in spite of their eclecticism, do have eight consecutive albums above 3.8.
 

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to clarify the OP was suggesting a Test and assuming it's inherent importance. I believe consistency is overrated , and why I think King Crimson were so important than ELP, Yes or Genesis . They had variation of ideas much more so than those bands and perhaps even more importantly influenced contemporary artists and bands. That's a more real test imo.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

There is not 5 album test , it's not a thing. Complete and utter nonsense. Most bands just churn out a variation of the same idea endlessly. What on earth does that prove?!

Hi,

And TO ME, that is the difference between "progressive" and just another copy. 

It only proves, we could say, that folks might not have any idea about all these other bands anyway. Or their work, and because of their current tastes the ability to actually SIT and appreciate one of the older bands listed that had more difficult and different material (other than just one or two stupid scales or notes for DD to find !!! ). In some ways that's another issue ... you listen to Banco for 5 minutes and there is no metal, and some folks are done listening to Banco as not exciting or interesting. No thrashing! No screams! No showing off that I'm a great guitar player because I'm loud! Ohhh ... forgot one ... No blue guitar!



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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

There is not 5 album test , it's not a thing. Complete and utter nonsense. Most bands just churn out a variation of the same idea endlessly. What on earth does that prove?!
It's just for fun. The "test" is either what OP wrote, which is highly individual, or something like was suggested about having a PA rating limit. Many like variations of the same ideas. This is not a "test" about originality or being able to change the sound.


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May I add these:
-Between the Buried and Me: from 'Colors' (2007) up to 'Colors II' (2021); this makes a streak of six
-The Dillinger Escape Plan: from 'Calculating Infinity' (1999) to 'Dissociation' (2016); six albums
-Mastodon: from 'Remission' (2002) to 'The Hunter' (2011); five albums
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There is not 5 album test , it's not a thing. Complete and utter nonsense. Most bands just churn out a variation of the same idea endlessly. What on earth does that prove?!
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Act I: The Lake South, The River North (4.12)
Act II: The Meaning Of, And All Things Regarding Ms. Leading (4.04)
Act III: Life And Death (4.07)
The Color Spectrum (3.85)
Migrant (3.76)
Act IV: Rebirth In Reprise (4.09)
Act V: Hymns With The Devil In Confessional (4.07)
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Wobbler:
Hinterland - 3.82
Afterglow - 3.85
Rites at Dawn - 4.00
From Silence to Somewhere - 4.37
Dwellers of The Deep - 4.34

Camel:
3.95 - Camel
4.40 - Mirage
4.30 - The Snow Goose
4.39 - Moonmadness
3.64 - Rain Dances

If you don't count the Jordsjø/Breidablik album.

Jordsjø:
4.08 - Jordsjø
3.86 - Jordsjø II
4.01 - Jord
4.07 - Nattfiolen
3.92 - Pastoralia

Karmakanic:
3.61 - Entering the Spectra
3.74 - Wheel of Life
4.06 - Who's the Boss in the Factory?
3.62 - In a Perfect World
3.94 - Dot

Opeth has a very impressive catalogue. They got 12 out of 13 consecutive albums over 3.72. The best period:
4.28 - Still Life
4.23 - Blackwater Park
3.79 - Deliverance
3.98 - Damnation
4.24 - Ghost Reveries

Gazpacho delivered 8 consecutive albums over 3.75. The best:
4.12 - Night
4.05 - Tick Tock
3.79 - Missa Atropos
4.03 - March of Ghosts
3.85 - Demon

Riverside has released seven studio albums and all are at least 3.79, with six of them reaching 4:
4.19 - Out of Myself
4.23 - Second Life Syndrome
3.79 - Rapid Eye Movement
4.21 - Anno Domini High Definition
4.06 - Shrine of New Generation Slaves

Caligula's Horse:
3.91 - Moments from Ephemeral City
4.08 - The Tide, the Thief & River's End
3.91 - Bloom
3.96 - In Contact
3.64 - Rise Radiant

Haken has six consecutive.
4.06 - Aquarius
4.11 - Visions
4.17 - The Mountain
3.94 - Affinity
3.67 - Vector

Phideaux nearly makes it with four consequtive albums past 4, but both ends break the line.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Sacro_Porgo Sacro_Porgo wrote:

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No need to go on an anti-metal tirade about how it's just loud and isn't music. Some of us like both metal and Zappa. They both qualify. Zappa's underrated and probably always will be, and he definitely belongs on this list. So are a lot of metal bands.

Hi,

You misunderstand the post. I don't dislike "metal" and have quite a bit of it ... the main issue I have with it is how "metal" is about copy and loudness, and no one else could touch FZ, and even his son's band had a hard time playing it and sounding 2nd rate in a concert series with RTF.

If you want music, I doubt that one would select "metal", IN GENERAL. That says nothing about my liking it or not. I was listening to "metal" before you were born, I bet! AND I still have the albums (though some on CD now!).

Well it's pretty difficult to tell that you actually like metal when you seem to be implying it's not music, which is just false. I bet you were listening to it before I was born, good for you.
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