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Originally posted by Tethro Juul Tethro Juul wrote:

I mean still, rug or no rug the music slapped. That was ELP'S schtick. Big songs, big shows. It was all in service to giving the audience a good time, and they did.
I think to appreciate ELP to the max, you had to see them live. The great Keith Emerson doing handstands on his organ, while playing something complicated, was the bomb. They were great showmen as well as great musicians.
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If Lake was that worried about electrocuting himself, he would have used a rubber mat like any other musician of the era. I've been around famous musicians all my life and even they laughed at Greg and his rug.
If I recall the article/interview with Lake, he said it was during sound check that he got a major shock off his mike. They sent a roadie out to get a rug for an insulator and that was what he brought back. Lake didn't go looking for it or even have an intent of using a rug at the beginning of the tour. Of course after the gig it was too hard not to keep using as a stage dressing.
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Yeah right. LOL
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Tethro Juul Tethro Juul wrote:

I mean still, rug or no rug the music slapped. That was ELP'S schtick. Big songs, big shows. It was all in service to giving the audience a good time, and they did.
I think to appreciate ELP to the max, you had to see them live. The great Keith Emerson doing handstands on his organ, while playing something complicated, was the bomb. They were great showmen as well as great musicians.
AGAIN...Urban rumour ! I challenge anyone to find real evidence of Emo doing handstands on his organ let alone anywhere else. He rode it like a bucking bronco, stabbed it like mad psychopath and lay under it humping it like a drunken sailor. But NO handstands. This is where all the 5hit against them is born IMO.
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This may not be a handstand but I didn't know what else to call it~! LOL
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Somersault? LOL
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ELP didn't need urban legends. The reality was sufficient enough.
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I think that the stunts like that just make them a better band because they went out of their way to entertain the fans.
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Something I noticed about ELP is that people will call them both too inaccessible but then some will also call them too accessible. I think this probably has something to do with Lake and Palmer/Emerson's competing influence; Lake seemed to prefer more radio friendly material like Lucky Man while Emerson/Palmer were keen on complex keyboard material like The Barbarian. I think though that their differences resulted in a band that sounded like no other though.

The best synthesis of their influences and ideas was probably Karn Evil 9 impression 1 part 2, between Lake's vocals and all the instrumental stuff going on.
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Originally posted by Tethro Juul Tethro Juul wrote:

Something I noticed about ELP is that people will call them both too inaccessible but then some will also call them too accessible. I think this probably has something to do with Lake and Palmer/Emerson's competing influence; Lake seemed to prefer more radio friendly material like Lucky Man while Emerson/Palmer were keen on complex keyboard material like The Barbarian. I think though that their differences resulted in a band that sounded like no other though.

The best synthesis of their influences and ideas was probably Karn Evil 9 impression 1 part 2, between Lake's vocals and all the instrumental stuff going on.
I agree that BSS was the best combination of the accessable and inaccessible. And that's probably why it sold so well. I like their more inaccessible stuff, but that's just me.
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This may not be a handstand but I didn't know what else to call it~! LOL
Ahhh, the 'Flying Piano'. Not their best moment admittedly, and it earned Emo a broken nose one night when it stopped too suddenly. If it had been spinning in the opposite direction it probably would have broken his neck. But you can't fault the commitment to entertainment. Jerry Lee Lewis on crack !


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Originally posted by Tethro Juul Tethro Juul wrote:

Something I noticed about ELP is that people will call them both too inaccessible but then some will also call them too accessible. I think this probably has something to do with Lake and Palmer/Emerson's competing influence; Lake seemed to prefer more radio friendly material like Lucky Man while Emerson/Palmer were keen on complex keyboard material like The Barbarian. I think though that their differences resulted in a band that sounded like no other though.

The best synthesis of their influences and ideas was probably Karn Evil 9 impression 1 part 2, between Lake's vocals and all the instrumental stuff going on.
So Greg was a 'Song Writer', Emerson was a 'Composer'. Two very different roles in music. Palmer is a Jazz influenced drummer, so putting those three elements together certainly yielded an amazing product.
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This may not be a handstand but I didn't know what else to call it~! LOL
Ahhh, the 'Flying Piano'. Not their best moment admittedly, and it earned Emo a broken nose one night when it stopped too suddenly. If it had been spinning in the opposite direction it probably would have broken his neck. But you can't fault the commitment to entertainment. Jerry Lee Lewis on crack !

Good God, man! You forgot about the flying piano?   
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How do mean? I didn't forget about it, I just didn't know that was what you were referring to.
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How do mean? I didn't forget about it, I just didn't know that was what you were referring to.
I mean you mentioned all the other Emo antics but neglected that one. I only saw him wrestle with and then stab his organ myself. My best friend saw the flying piano somewhere in Europe. I need to ask him about sometime.
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Originally posted by Tethro Juul Tethro Juul wrote:

Something I noticed about ELP is that people will call them both too inaccessible but then some will also call them too accessible. I think this probably has something to do with Lake and Palmer/Emerson's competing influence; Lake seemed to prefer more radio friendly material like Lucky Man while Emerson/Palmer were keen on complex keyboard material like The Barbarian. I think though that their differences resulted in a band that sounded like no other though.

The best synthesis of their influences and ideas was probably Karn Evil 9 impression 1 part 2, between Lake's vocals and all the instrumental stuff going on.

Whatever works. As much the Emerson/Palmer fanboy that I am, the band needed Lake to get big. "Lucky Man," "From the Beginning," "Still...You Turn Me On," "Jerusalem," "C'est La Vie"...can't imagine the band without his songs.
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Originally posted by Tethro Juul Tethro Juul wrote:

Something I noticed about ELP is that people will call them both too inaccessible but then some will also call them too accessible. I think this probably has something to do with Lake and Palmer/Emerson's competing influence; Lake seemed to prefer more radio friendly material like Lucky Man while Emerson/Palmer were keen on complex keyboard material like The Barbarian. I think though that their differences resulted in a band that sounded like no other though.

The best synthesis of their influences and ideas was probably Karn Evil 9 impression 1 part 2, between Lake's vocals and all the instrumental stuff going on.

Whatever works. As much the Emerson/Palmer fanboy that I am, the band needed Lake to get big. "Lucky Man," "From the Beginning," "Still...You Turn Me On," "Jerusalem," "C'est La Vie"...can't imagine the band without his songs.
I agree. Like most bands, the sum was greater than the parts.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

How do mean? I didn't forget about it, I just didn't know that was what you were referring to.
I mean you mentioned all the other Emo antics but neglected that one. I only saw him wrestle with and then stab his organ myself. My best friend saw the flying piano somewhere in Europe. I need to ask him about sometime.
I don't know how many times or gigs he did that on. I thought it was just a very few before it was abandoned. I guess I think of it more as a one off than part of his 'regular' showmanship. It must have been something to see though, I only ever saw it on TV from Cal Jam I think.
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

How do mean? I didn't forget about it, I just didn't know that was what you were referring to.
I mean you mentioned all the other Emo antics but neglected that one. I only saw him wrestle with and then stab his organ myself. My best friend saw the flying piano somewhere in Europe. I need to ask him about sometime.
I don't know how many times or gigs he did that on. I thought it was just a very few before it was abandoned. I guess I think of it more as a one off than part of his 'regular' showmanship. It must have been something to see though, I only ever saw it on TV from Cal Jam I think.
Oh, I'm sure it was rare. They must have used carnival like hydraulics for that stunt!
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

How do mean? I didn't forget about it, I just didn't know that was what you were referring to.
I mean you mentioned all the other Emo antics but neglected that one. I only saw him wrestle with and then stab his organ myself. My best friend saw the flying piano somewhere in Europe. I need to ask him about sometime.
I don't know how many times or gigs he did that on. I thought it was just a very few before it was abandoned. I guess I think of it more as a one off than part of his 'regular' showmanship. It must have been something to see though, I only ever saw it on TV from Cal Jam I think.
Oh, I'm sure it was rare. They must have used carnival like hydraulics for that stunt!

I was actually watching a film about ELP at the Isle of Wight festival recently when he was talking about his organ antics (!). His roadies got fed up with repairing his Hammond after every gig so they strengthened it with iron. At the next gig Emerson ended up with the Hammond on top of him and couldn't lift it off. It took two roadies to lift it off him. Maybe that put him off a bit?
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