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    Posted: August 18 2021 at 15:30
ELP is a band that is often disliked even among prog fans. Even people that used to love them seem to not be the biggest fans anymore. The common charges I see is that they're "bombastic", "pompous", and "excessive". The issue I take to these is that I don't think any of those adjectives is a bad thing and in fact, I often seek those traits often in music because it's uplifting to me to hear such a grand and expansive sound.

Another common thing I hear about them is that they sound "dated". And while I agree they do have a different sound that is more alien compared to modern music than other prog acts of the time, I think this "dated" sound was because of how unique the band was and the technology of the sound. I mean, how many bands sound quite like ELP? I can't think of many, even in prog. The combination of their talent, group synergy, and technology made a lsound that was so unique that it sounds dated today, a unique sound I happen to enjoy.


The last criticism of ELP and the most true, is the amount of filler in their albums. My personal solution to this issue is to make a playlist of their albums that omits the filler tracks. When you shave those off, I think you get quite flawless albums, or hald of a flawless album (*cough* Tarkus *cough*)

I tend to treat listening to ELP almost like listening to some kind of artful electronic music, almost like an experience rather than a normal listening session. Knowing their goal was to make a grand art piece out of a rock template I reckon that's the way the band would like you to listen to it anyhow, it's all in perspective.

Another thing I like about ELP is that Greg Lake is an amazing singer and when he's at his best be it on Karn Evil 9, Tarkus, or on TCOTCK he really shines. I think his vocals really help solidify ELP as a truly unique band.

But anyway, I can't say enough praise of this amazing band and I'll probably always love them on the same level of Genesis, Yes, KC, ect... maybe even more on some days. Not bashing those bands though, I love them too. But ELP doesn't get enough love so I thought I'd make this thread.

What do you like about ELP?

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They don't get enough love, and the "bombastic" "pompous" and "dated" criticisms fall flat on my ears as well. They're a joy to listen to! They do definitely have more filler than their biggest contemporaries, but their highs are essential listening, and I find that the reports of filler on ELP albums tend to be a bit exaggerated (I love most of side 2 of Tarkus for example). For me they only really miss the mark with stuff like Tocatta and Abaddon's Bolero, which I don't dislike, but is rather difficult to sit through for as long as those pieces are. More impressive than enjoyable. Most of their stuff on those first few albums is much better than this.
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I love early  to mid 1970s ELP. I am one of these "stuck in a seventies time warp" kind of guys when it comes to rock music, so in fact if something is seen as "dated", it is more likely that I will be drawn to it.
          And my main musical love is "Classical music", mainly The Symphony, and I listen to over 40 composers from Bach to Schoenberg, and I think it is great when a band like ELP transcribe, and thus, interest, people in classical music.
             My favorite band is Triumvirat, and they could not have been what they were without the existence of ELP. (but are not "clones",  good heavens!)
            Classic ELP are a  class act. I don't see them as "excessive", more like "cerebral" as purely symphonic music is, as well. Complexity is important to me in music, whether rock or otherwise, and I don't really see that as pretentious, just the way I am when appreciating music.
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Originally posted by Tethro Juul Tethro Juul wrote:

The common charges I see is that they're "bombastic", "pompous", and "excessive".


Well that's what prog usually is. So I would assume the criticism mostly comes from people who don't like prog.

I like ELP. Not a big fan, but I like them.
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Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

Originally posted by Tethro Juul Tethro Juul wrote:

The common charges I see is that they're "bombastic", "pompous", and "excessive".


Well that's what prog usually is. So I would assume the criticism mostly comes from people who don't like prog.

I like ELP. Not a big fan, but I like them.


Yeah prog haters will often use that for prog as a whole, but ELP in particular just gets blasted with these criticisms.... not that it's all that critical in my eye because I love excessive and bombastic music.
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I do like a ELP well enough, though I do agree with the filler thing... yet that is not exclusive for ELP, but almost any band I like... and I do use that solution, with playlists. Yet, there are still bands with more songs that I like more than ELP.
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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

I do like a ELP well enough, though I do agree with the filler thing... yet that is not exclusive for ELP, but almost any band I like... and I do use that solution, with playlists. Yet, there are still bands with more songs that I like more than ELP.

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I don't know ... I'm not a fan of the "filler" stuff either, but I knew a lot of folks around me that were into the same music and they liked most of it, but also thought that it was way too intense, and not as much fun as a doped up song would be. In that sense, specially in concert, that would likely become a fan favorite to hear and enjoy, rather than some long musical passages, that some folks here don't want to listen to ... even when it is done on solo piano by Rachel Flowers, showing what a magnificent piano composition it was in the first place. 

And for all the heckling we do, c'mon ... not many piano (and eventually keyboard) players really got a lot of response in school or appreciation for what they thought they wanted to do that they wanted to do! So what is your option? Go crazy and add a little fun to it! Hack, people thought that Switched on Bach was just stoned immaculate when it first came out ... never mind that like Tomita, it also had a very fair and competent musical presentation in a new context.

I wish we had a better understanding of the time and place and how radio controlled music in those days, that went back to the mid 50's and the famed Pirate Radio ships doing something in England, that in the end, forced the BBC to open their doors to, so more folks could listen to new music!

Today, something like this is meaningless, and we don't get it why a fun song would be important. In many ways I always thought they were just a finger to the big guy in the sky smoking a cigar stealing all the money --- and not allowing bands to be themselves, which kinda went to Mars and Venus for 10 years in the 70's.
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ELP were incredible musicians, and I have no problem with a bit of bombast. I wouldn't list them among my favourite bands, but I will say that their first album is among the best debut albums of all time.
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Originally posted by Sacro_Porgo Sacro_Porgo wrote:

(I love most of side 2 of Tarkus for example)
 
I actually prefer side 2 of Tarkus to side 1 of Brain Salad Surgery, and it is side 2 of Tarkus (except for "Are You Ready Eddy?") that makes me prefer Tarkus to Brain Salad Surgery.
 

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What I like about them is that each one of them is very difrennt then the other. you can see it on Works Vol. 1, Emerson bring the classical side with a lot use of Synthesizers. Lake Bring the acustic side with the more short and catchy songs. And Palmer bring a bit more Jazzy side. I can understand why eventualy they Broke up. At the end of day they're all different people.
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Oddly enough, as a mega fan of the so called beg six, ELP is my least favorite group. I definitely appreciate Tarkus and Trilogy but have never been gaga over them. Perhaps it's because Greg Lake could only play live while perched on top of a $5000 Persian carpet. Did he think it could fly? LOL

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Originally posted by yogev yogev wrote:

What I like about them is that each one of them is very different then the other. you can see it on Works Vol. 1, Emerson bring the classical side with a lot use of Synthesizers.
SAY WHAT??? There are NO synthesizers on Keith's side. It's just Piano and orchestra.
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Big fan. Through BSS, ELP were the perfect band.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


Oddly enough, as a mega fan of the so called beg six, ELP is my least favorite group. I definitely appreciate Tarkus and Trilogy but have never been gaga over them. Perhaps it's because Greg Lake could only play live while perched on top of a $5000 Persian carpet. Did he think it could fly? LOL


What does Greg Lake's persian rug have to do with the quality of the music itself?
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by yogev yogev wrote:

What I like about them is that each one of them is very different then the other. you can see it on Works Vol. 1, Emerson bring the classical side with a lot use of Synthesizers.
SAY WHAT??? There are NO synthesizers on Keith's side. It's just Piano and orchestra.

Oh sorry, I meant that Keith use a lot of synth in ELP In general. Regardless to his side in Works. Sorry for the confusion. 
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Originally posted by Tethro Juul Tethro Juul wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


Oddly enough, as a mega fan of the so called beg six, ELP is my least favorite group. I definitely appreciate Tarkus and Trilogy but have never been gaga over them. Perhaps it's because Greg Lake could only play live while perched on top of a $5000 Persian carpet. Did he think it could fly? LOL


What does Greg Lake's persian rug have to do with the quality of the music itself?

People always trot that one out when criticising ELP. even though it was to stop him being electrocuted. 
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If Lake was that worried about electrocuting himself, he would have used a rubber mat like any other musician of the era. I've been around famous musicians all my life and even they laughed at Greg and his rug.

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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

If Lake was that worried about electrocuting himself, he would have used a rubber mat like any other musician of the era. I've been around famous musicians all my life and even they laughed at Greg and his rug.

Maybe it had a rubber base? Anyway, if I could afford a $6000 rug I'd probably stand on it at my gigs (if I ever had a stage big enough).
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I mean still, rug or no rug the music slapped. That was ELP'S schtick. Big songs, big shows. It was all in service to giving the audience a good time, and they did.
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Only Persian carpets made in China have a rubber base and I don't think that Lake was the type for slumming.
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