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BrufordFreak
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Nice to see such enthusiasm for this thread!
Though personally I've fluctuated in using 4.11 to 4.25 to define a "minor masterpiece" and between 3.89 and 4.11 for "near-masterpieces," I've always thought that the standard criterion for this topic was a 4.0 SQL average per album! So, to see/hear a 3.50 album being called a "masterpiece" is, to me, like calling the runner/swimmer who doesn't make it out of the preliminary rounds an "Olympic medalist"! Let's get back to reality here, folks. Even a 3.99 average SQL does not connote a consensus "masterpiece"! How many bands here in the PA database can say that they've achieved a 4.0 average, for five studio albums, in a row, during their career? NOT MANY! These are the superstars of progressive rock music, the standard setters. |
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projeKct
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You really should give Photos of Ghosts a try. You can listen to it here. Then, if you like it, I recommend you to buy the 2010 Esoteric remaster, with 6 bonus tracks!
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projeKct
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I get your point (I'm a math teacher) but I think the OP wanted to know about our own perception/ratings and not about the PA community perception/ratings. For example, in my list (a few posts above) I named bands with consecutive 4- or 5-stars ratings... for me!
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Man With Hat
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tis true. Don't ask me why. The only obvious thing is the end of Way Of Life, which I do want to conclude in some actual way. But other than that...tt just suffers something for me. That little magic spark I don't feel like I do on the rest of that 8. But I still like the album, its just given the criteria of the thread I can't honestly say they fit five in a row for my taste.
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Man With Hat
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This is how I interpreted the question as well.
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Sacro_Porgo
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For me the game isn't as interesting to play with a 4.00 cutoff, because of what you said. There just aren't very many bands at all which pass that mark. I figured 3.5 is still pretty high marks. Not masterpiece, no, but far enough above average to constitute a member of a great streak.
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Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :)
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MFP
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Some favourites not mention yet:
Amon Duul II Phallus Dei Yeti Tanz Der Lemminge Carnival in Babylon (the weakest album of this bunch, still great music) Wolf City Anekdoten Vemod Nucleus From Within Gravity A Time of Day (the weakest album of this bunch, still great music) Until All the Ghosts Are Gone |
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The Anders
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I would have brought Can up here, except Soundtracks isn't necessarily great (with the exception of "Mother Sky"). Apart from that, there's a string of excellent albums from Monster Movie to Future Days.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Amon Duul II is a great call.
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Ian
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I almost included them in my list, but Gravity is not "great" IMO... only "very good"
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Cardiacs
Seaside - 4.15 Little Man - 4.29 On Land - 4.36 Heaven Born - 3.99 Sing To God - 4.29 |
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Ian
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That VDGG run is definitive |
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Ian
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Dellinger
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There are so many bands that I really love that wouln't pass this test for me, but then I can be a little picky about the songs that I choose to love and add to my lists. Perhaps the only one that would pass this test would be Pink Floyd, and maybe Rick Wakeman.
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moshkito
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Hi, TD and KS without a doubt. Ange is excellent even further with its material and presentation on the albums. PFM is deserving of the mention and has been mentioned. BANCO del Mutuo Soccorso deserves a mention. Amon Duul 2 is also a very strong candidate for the list. Already mentioned. Djam Karet is a definite for the list.
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Sacro_Porgo
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Happily my beloved favorite band, Queen, pass the test based on PA ratings.
Queen ~ 3.66 Queen II ~ 4.36 Sheer Heart Attack ~ 3.98 A Night At The Opera ~ 4.30 A Day At The Races ~ 3.78 Of course the far less prog and far more rock and roll News Of The World doesn't make the cut here, but as I'm a Queen fan before I'm a prog fan I'd say News qualifies as the last in their unstoppable 70s run to at least equal their debut. I love their whole discography, but Jazz lacks focus, The Game has loose ends on side 2, Flash Gordon lacks songs (for obvious reasons), Hot Space is what it is, and only by The Works do things start looking up again, building their way back towards the top to Innuendo.
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Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :)
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Sacro_Porgo
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Oh no! David Bowie doesn't pass by his PA scores! This is actually a bit shocking to me, not because Bowie was some giant of progressive rock, but because he was the quintessential shapeshifting "looking forward" guy, and what's not progressive about that, even if he didn't really do much "prog" in the traditional sense. Anyway man people will mention his entire 70s run as one of the greatest of all time, but there are a couple of low rated albums in there that just keep him away from five albums in a row over 3.5. Here's where he gets the closest:
The Man Who Sold The World ~ 4.02 Hunky Dory ~ 4.19 The Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust And The Spiders From Mars ~ 4.26 Aladdin Sane ~ 3.84 His Ziggy years basically. He was untouchable then and those albums remain one of his greatest achievements. However, they don't total five, and here's why. Space Oddity doesn't quite reach 3.5 with a score of 3.34, and though Diamond Dogs does pass the 3.5 mark (barely, at 3.60), it is unfortunately preceded by Pin-Ups the covers album! Pin-Ups has only 3.04 stars to its name, and had it been released just a year later wouldn't factor into this discussion. However it does sit where it sits. If you choose not to count it, I can see your point, but the technicalities will not agree with you. Nevertheless, Bowie can't go on to have an even longer run without it, as Young Americans (ever the black sheep of his 70s releases) only scores 2.83! I agree it's his least compelling, but I don't think it's that low, but that's just my personal take. "But wait!" you say, "what about the Thin White Duke and the Berlin Trilogy and Scary Monsters? That makes five right?" It just almost does, and in my personal taste it absolutely passes with flying shades of orange, black, and white. However, there's one little problem with the PA ratings: Lodger. Station To Station ~ 4.03 Low ~ 4.09 "Heroes" ~ 4.05 Lodger ~ 3.48 Scary Monsters ~ 4.15 Perhaps Bowies most oft forgotten classic album, Lodger seems to be the PA critics choice for the least compelling of this period, and what a strong period it is! Everything else here passes the test even with a 4.0 cutoff, that's not easy! Bowie was pushing boundaries and making great art in new ways on every one of these five albums, but that second to last one just didn't work so well for many people. Is it the lack of an ambient instrumental suite? Has the songwriting gotten too predictable? Is the band not as good? We may never know. But anyway it would've been nice to see Bowie score two 5 album runs in the 70s, yet both have been thwarted. His later work has more frequent ups and downs score wise, though if Hours and Reality were regarded just a few tenths of points more kindly he'd have a good sendoff run of five from Hours to Blackstar. I suppose that's the danger of constantly changing your approach. It's hard to know what will work and what won't.
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Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :)
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Awesoreno
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Zappa. Fight me. I love him. Pick most sets of five for me. Even more of we include live and posthumous.
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Blacksword
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Genesis. They stretch to 7 great albums in a row: Trespass to Wind & Wuthering. Personally I would stretch that to And then there were three too, but I'll be reasonable..
King Crimson - From ITCOTCK - Red (again more than five) Rush - 2112 - Moving Pictures Queen - Queen 1 - DATR Moody Blues - The great seven album run from TDOFP - Seventh Sojourn VDGG - The least we can do - Still Life XTC - Drums & Wires to Big Express (and way beyond..) |
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XTC is a great call - not a duff album from Drums & Wires onwards.
I'm going to throw in Pendragon - 8 albums from Window of Life to Love Over Fear, pick any 5 from them.
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Psychedelic Paul
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I'll go along with that list and up the ante by adding Prologue and Live at Carnegie Hall to make it a solid run of seven 5-star albums in a row.
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