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Mila-13
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I chose the version by Pierre Boulez with the Ensemble Intercontemporain because I thought that it might ring a bell with our Zappa fans on here (Album: Boulez Conductus Zappa: The Perfect Stranger). That Boulez himself was a big name in the field of classical avant-garde music goes without saying. As for the poll topic, of course the 'spoken word' is in the focus here. You know, I enjoy testing the origin and definition of terms. If you take the broader meaning of the term 'language' as a starting point many things are possible. lol About Alvin Lucier: A few years ago, the Zurich University of the Arts staged on the occasion of his 85th anniversary a festival which included his classic "Sitting in a Room". I'm based in Switzerland, which is why I'm mentioning this. And thanks again for your help with the posting of links in the forum, much appreciated! Edited by Mila-13 - August 15 2021 at 14:40 |
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...and that's fine... I realise that my (Red Snapper's) Suckerpunch could be defined as "singing only, no speaking" but then it's singing very close to rapping or rapping very close to singing. And The Blech have a number of great songs where they kind of speak stuff that doesn't make sense in any language (others do that too). For example this (out of competition, yes I know I have no discipline...) |
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I don't think I ever heard something of Matt Berry, or at least it doesn't ring a bell (and I have never heard of any of the other show references you mentioned - not sure they made it to France?). It is not that I don't like it, I do, but it is maybe a bit too subdued or too modest in its humour. It might help to hear the whole album, maybe. Will watch AD/BC; that looks intriguing...
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The IT Crowd made it to Netflix on France, but Berry is not in every season and isn't so integral to it (he played the son of a major comedy legend to me, the also British Chris Morris). I've long been big on British comedy (and have watched a lot of French shows and more French film). I discovered things with him via youtube: AD/BC (which is a fun musical parody of 70s rock opera musicals such as Jesus Christ Superstar and makes various musical references) and Garth Marenghi's Darkplace https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC046BB28463E1459 And Saw Toast of London here on Netflix, and Snuff Box through a less reputable online source. Such things appeal to my sense of humour. In regards to his music, it's not all comedy. He takes music writing seriously, has a band who he has toured with, and has a studio in his home (as an insomniac, he often plays when he he can't sleep. As an insomniac, I often have posted when I can't sleep). I knew someone from France at this site who was big on his electronic album, Music for Insomniacs. Opium is not generally considered to be one of his best albums, and that's not a favourite track of mine of his, but I wanted to go for something devoid of singing and bring some kind of variety to my selections. Edited by Logan - August 15 2021 at 16:56 |
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That's funny, initially I was among other things also considering the Italian opera buffa as a source, f.e. Rossini's Barbiere di Siviglia or Mozart's Le nozze di Figaro but then again, their 'talking' parts have to be regarded rather as chanting than speaking, I guess. Somthing with dadaesque lyrics was another option too but I couldn't think of anything combined with music. The Blech are a great example of what I was looking for. I haven't heard of them before, so thanks for introducing them here and thank you for this interesting poll theme. Very inspiring, indeed!
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Alright, I'll stick with this one then. The other songs that were on my mind were Tame Impala's "Past Life", Eurythmics's "Doubleplusgood" and, by coincidence, that Art Of Noise track you posted on the previous page but all of those are probably too well-known for there to be much point in nominating them.
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First take on first half of Page One, there's a LOT of entries to get through this time. Really pleased to find some has been surprisingly appealing to me, some were less so, which I did expect with the category.
Christian:
The Blech “Die ensame Traene” This has a very robotic feel to it, with the
clipped vocals at the start, it is very much in juxtaposition to the
translation. The music is a bit more
rounded with the vocals becoming more “musical,” if you will. I am feeling a sense of his frustration and
sadness from the lyrics and the imagery of the tears and the wish to be free of
sadness, brought by lost joy. There is a
whistling accompaniment, making me think he is reminiscing to a happier time
there, yet it, too is tarnished, with what has finally become his lot. It ends with an unexpected church-like choir. Red Snapper “Suckerpunch” Fluttery horns and bass, then drums kick in,
with whangy guitars. Very cool trumpet
(maybe synthed) and a singsong sort of snapping vocal, interspersing with each
other. Wish I had the lyrics for some of
the less intelligible ones. Really enjoy
the groove and particularly the trumpet sound. Nice break in the middle with
guitar notes repeating, returning to the main theme after, then ending. Greg: Gil Scott-Heron “The Revolution Will Not Be Televised” I am not fond of much of rap, which, as it started was more social commentary and less of the glorification of violence in one form or another, which so much of it has become. That said, many of these pieces will be a bit of a challenge for me, since I know to expect some. This Gil Scott-Heron piece is truly remarkable, however. It was the first thing like it that I heard and it was, and is still, extremely moving for being so erudite, but also using the language of the streets of the time. In his way, a black Bob Dylan, if I may say so. An astounding mirror of it’s time and very much in place in this poll. Serge Gainsbourge “Melody” Starts very quietly with guitar, bass and drums. His voice always reminds me of Henri the Cat, suffering so from ennui. He speaks of the Venus on the radiator of the Rolls, there are some string sections hat come along. A very slyly risqué story, with a surprise ending, as it turns out. Matt Berry “Introduction (To Opium)” This one starts with (synthed?) strings, another double-entendre (or maybe, triple, with the drug reference) sort of piece, very cleverly done. The piece comes near to the end with music, an electric band with sitar guitar (?), I didn’t see that coming along. Then goes to a more ethereal descriptor of his experience to the end. This is my fave of the two I didn’t know. Anders: Dan Turèll & Halfdan E “eg skulle have været taxachauffør” Love the bit of humour in this, with elevating a taxi driver to heroic standards. Which in a way, they are, when presented this way. Love the 60’s “modern” film vibe to it. There is a really interesting sonic change about halfway in, with lots of shimmery synths and bongo-ish drum sounds. An African-ish lala chorus comes in, with some flutes, then fades out as he disappears in the traffic. Lorenzo: Gilad Atzmon “Joven, Hermosa y Triste” Piano, bass and subtle drumming begins the piece. There are gorgeous, shimmery strings and concertina (or may be the Italian instrument, Lorenzo, that reminds me of concertina, the name escapes me as I write). He sings a wordless melody with the instrumentation, after first speaking a part. This is very leisurely and takes it’s time creating the atmosphere, a bit Klezmer-y perhaps, but not as “bright,” as I usually think of Klezmer. He then sings a portion after another speaking part and some saxophone joins in. Quite enjoyed it, although I could only catch some of the lyrics without a translation. Easy Money: Johnny Cash “A Boy Named Sue” An excellent choice! I do know this, but what a great, funny story. He was a master, one of the very few country people I have enjoyed throughout their career. I hope this will be new to some here. Shadowyzard: Cradle of Filth “A Gothic Romance” Organ notes start the tale. Some night noises and howls and growls. Good representation of how a demon might tell a story of seduction. Lots of heaviness, layered. Interesting idea to tell a horror story in this way, not my cup of tea with the frenetic-ness, even though I do enjoy some horror, but I could see how it could appeal to some. Same presenters, “Malice Through the Looking Glass” Dramatic, orchestral beginning (I do like their more classical side, such as this opening). Then the screaming begins and they lose me. The writing isn’t bad for this genre. I like the lead guitars, in this one, they are a lot less thrashy. Perhaps it just the actual vocals (not the straight narrations type) that I find hard to take, the screeching and growling, to me, is distracting. And thirdly, the evil triptych comes to a close with “Bathory Aria” This one has a much more churchly sound to it, musically, at least the act isn’t one-note, as they do vary musically. Again, however, the growling and screeching make it too distracting for my ear. I’m old, I know, lol. Cristi: The Doors “Ghost Song” FANTASTIC choice. I really love this entire recording and I hope there are some who haven’t heard it, who will also enjoy it, Cristi. DVSR “Devastator” Thrashy and brash-y beginning to this one. A rap(id) piece, a pretty angry guy, presented with a metallic edge. I like the interlude with the echo-y keys, rap is a very hard sell for me, however it is presented. Erik Truffaz “Trippin’ The Lovelight Fantastic” Soft keyboards and some trumpet in a staccato beat start this one off. The trumpet here is the star, with the melody drifting. More of a hip hop feel, this I much prefer to DVSR, for it’s musicality underneath the rap part. Edited by Snicolette - August 16 2021 at 11:59 |
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Basically this song is a slow tango, with some jazz and kletzmer elements. The instrument is the bandoneon, the Argentine accordion.
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Thank you, Lorenzo, it's a great addition to the poll, I feel. I didn't expect to find much to my taste here and actually, this, and others, as can be seen, have kept me both surprised and interested. |
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Suite... (et fin ?):
Mirakaze: Ha, you could almost continue the above Rocket Man's theme "And it's gonna be a long long time" over this - long - shoegazing intro - it fits... And shoegazing it is. Not very much development in this one and the text is replying to itself: "how serious can anything be anyway? Not very". Not unpleasant, but it won't stick with me very long. Mila: As said, I love Arnold Schoenberg's work, so I'm familiar with this one. I was surprised (too?) to find out that Laurie Anderson is on PA... Who would ever have thought that she could be considered prog rock? Progressive, definitely, but prog rock...? Otherwise I would have put up her United States Live performance - all 4,5 hours of it. Great music and a wonderful performance artist. Fauve has had some airplay here, so I know them, and like what they do. Here I prefer the shorter version actually, also because I find the video rather average... Quite engaging and captivating, despite the very fast spoken words. Nice selection! Lewian: I know Art of Noise, have their first LP and the Daft album on SACD (sounds fantastic!). I have listened to their subsequent work a long time ago and probably thought that it didn't add much to their first work. I like it though, but it is very much a continuation of their earlier work... The Bug Powder Dust remix is a nice surprise, very captivating, great rapping and sonically/musically quite rich. Don't know the original, so can't compare, but this is very good. Rink Mink by The Blech is actually quite entertaining, again. Very Dada! Also listened to Die einsame Träne again and it is really very good! |
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Mila-13
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Thanks a lot for your comment! Laurie Anderson was actually not a serious proposal since everyone knows her. "Language is a Virus from Outer Space" was rather sort of a fun reaction/reply to the poll topic. lol But I never expected her in the PA's either! Anyway, I think that posting a live performance of several hours would definitely go beyond the scope of a poll like this one. lol Btw. I was initially considering a different artist who falls into a similar category but he performs in a foreign language. There is no translation available and I just couldn't do it in a rush, esp. because the texts are often relatively long and there is a lot of irony, funny remarks and wordplay in his pieces which is really hard to translate. As for the French arts collective Fauve, I'm not sure whether it is the right thing to just submit the shorter version, since videography and acting are part of their work. Fast spoken words in a foreign language alone can be rather tiring and annoying for the listenrs, don't you think? Edited by Mila-13 - August 17 2021 at 12:50 |
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^ Well, I think that fast spoken words in one's native language can be rather annoying too... I don't think I can have a general stance about it, because it all depends how it interacts with and integrates in the rest of the work. Regarding Fauve and their video work (of which I don't know much about, actually): we are here at a music site, so prime to the music, but personally I'm always open to learn more about artists, so additional information on other aspects of their work can be interesting and - I think - will find its audience here. Edited by suitkees - August 17 2021 at 15:19 |
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To the end of Page One, with initial thoughts. Again, I am delighted that there is so much more than I thought that I would enjoy here!
George: Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy “Television,
the Drug of the Nation” First thing I
thought of, as he started to speak, was that, when my son was young and we
watched a tv show that had commercials, I would ask him to think about what
that commercial was trying to do. Sell
him something. And did he really want
that thing, or did he see that they were making it look like something really
great to have? Same thing when anything
that was “questionable,” or other parents wouldn’t let their kids see, I just
turned it into a talking-about-it tool.
Now to the piece, itself. With
news sound and visual clips, I can see this definitely as an homage to
Gil-Scott Heron’s work and also, Bob Dylan, with the figures with signs, both
artists who made sharp critical social commentary. This kind of rap I’m all for. Just like other things, it can be used for
good, or evil, truly. I always say that
if children are only exposed to ugly things,
how can they be expected to aspire to a better world. All the killings on tv, in their schools, on
our streets, case in point. Very
thoughtful, and had this poll not happened, I would never have heard this on my
own. Thank you. Soul Coughing “Screenwriter’s Blues” A wonky sort of musical score underneath
another commentary on media, here concentrating more on Los Angeles, media
capital. The music sounds a bit like a
warped cartoon soundtrack, and then they utilize some cartoon script (The Rocky
and Bullwinkle Show’s Mr. Peabody) edited in.
Back to the main course. There is
almost an echo of Jim Morrison’s delivery style in the spoken word piece part.
LOL, we are all going to Reseda some day…to die! Hilarious!
Then on to the hopes and dreams of the screenwriter. Weird Al Yankovic “Albuquerque” Straight into the rock band underneath the
quick delivery of Weird Al. This is kind
of like Robin Williams riffing while on steroids, but using Weird Al’s
voice. Weasels even rip his flesh in
this one. Totally wonky and fun. Kees: Anthony Joseph “Calling England Home” This one has a nice, jazz feel right at the start, love those slippy-slidey violin sounds! There is also a horns-type effect, which is also very slidy, wow. Not sure how that is achieved, but it’s very effective. Nice little glisses on some instrument. He really captures the feeling of being not home, an immigrant. Paddy McAloon/Prefab Sprout “I Trawl the Megahertz” Light and airy orchestral beginning, sounds like it may be nostalgic, from the setup. Female voice tells a child that it’s world is changing, his father doesn’t want to live with them anymore. Saxophone joins in. The woman continues describing her experience, trying to navigate in a warlike setting. Trying to come to terms that everything is now changed, forever. She is at a loss, over her loss, looking for ways to heal, but none of them are enough, only the oblivion that waits in the stars once she is “bones, or dust, or ashes,” may free her from this pain. Death of a relationship/death of another one loves, it is the same. Extraordinary piece. Alvin Lucier “I Am Sitting in a Room” Yes, I am patient. It was really interesting how the voice became more sonorous and sometimes almost muffled. Also the words became fluttery, for lack of a better word, especially with sibiliant sounds (to be expected, there). A bit different than straight echo effecting, but similar. Doubling is very common, as I am guessing most know, in studio vocals. This takes it far and away from that. About a third through, the volume also seems to drop, but I think this is just an effect from the however many times the words are now repeated. By the halfway mark, the sounds are reminiscent of some sort of underground machine area of a large building, to me, as if you are hearing water pipes echoing down immense cement catacombs. It also makes me think of really super slowed down calliope pipes, as there is now sort of deep bell-like tones. I found it definitely very hypnotic and relaxing. This effect intensifies to the end. I found all three of your selections very worth considering, and even shared this one on FB. This time, all three of yours are potential contenders, no matter which you pick. JD: The Police “Be My Girl” ; Long John Baldry “Don’t Try To Lay No Boogie-Woogie on the King of Rock & Roll” ; Commander Cody and His Lost Planet Airmen “Hot Rod Lincoln” JD, I remember all of these and the way I approach the lengthier write-ups are based on my first listen to an unknown piece. However, all worthy entrants and I’m sure there will be others that don’t remember these. I prophesy disaster: The Bevis Frond “The Pips” The psych-inspired Nick Saloman here, with some whangy guitars and rotor sounds accompany the words of the piece, at an almost equal volume. A tirade agains many, many things, not sure what The Pips are, but you don’t want them, I can imagine. Rollins Band “Liar” Ah, Henry Rollins. He is a funny one, for me. I love his poetry that I’ve heard him recite, and listening to him speak on various topics. Some of the music is too intense/punkish/”yelling,” for my ear. Let’s see what is up with this piece. Wow, quite a trip into the mind of a psychopath. When the music kicks in, it is everything I would expect from the Rollins Band. However, because it is couched with the spoken word and not very much of what I would call yelling vocals, I am quite taken with this (just like when I’ve heard him reciting poetry with no accompaniment). Matthew Trapnell “Ella’s Uncle” Steady drums and bass, with a whaaaaing guitar and then, harmonica. Ella tells the story of her uncle, who played the harmonica, first in Louisiana, then moved to Chicago, where he worked in a steel mill. He began playing to the sounds of the steel mill. Some vibes are added in, very bell-like, while the harmonica plays in a different way than the Louisiana style. Now it is picking up the sound of the trainyards and becomes much more intense. Horns punctuate the wailing blues of the harmonica player. The harmonica solos out to the ending. Interesting look at how your environment can directly influence your art. wiz_d_kidd: 2NU “This Is Ponderous” A deep “radio” voice, indeed, announces that “this is ponderous.” Thunderclaps and quick bass lines and popping keys and guitars, underneath, with whacks of percussion. Horns and squeaky shoes enter the picture and he changes locations abruptly. He’s been there in other dreams (this is common to have revisited dreamscapes, btw). A woman’s voice enters and he picks up a phone with someone speaking in a language unknown to him. The horns herald another new sequence, a repeated theme for the dreamer as well. Back to the beach and the girl. It begins to rain, more thunderclaps and the telephone speaker repeats the message to him. It occurred to me how fun it would be to have a soundtrack to underlie the relating of dreams in dream groups. Fun track. dr wu23: Masters of Reality “T.U.S.A.” Love the cover and the album name, btw. Another deep voiced guy, but this one’s British and it’s not a dream, as in wiz’s previous track. This guy is musing about a teabag, with a catchy guitar, drums and bass underpinning, which repeats throughout. A chorus vocal queries why can’t get their tea? Reminds me so much of my British friends ordering “tea,” at a diner and their disgust at how it is served here in the US! Very amusing! William Shatner “Real” This one should be a doozy, lol. Full band with electric piano starts the piece, with William chewing up the aural scenery, in his imitable way. Wonderful surprise of Brad Paisley singing the chorus and playing some great (as expected) guitar. As usual, no one quite does a recording like he does. 😊 Edited by Snicolette - August 17 2021 at 16:25 |
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Wow, so you have been sitting in your room listening to the 45 minutes of "I'm Sitting in a Room"! Respect. Alvin Lucier will be pleased... But I think it is the way to really appreciate the extent and importance of this work. Tape music was already more than 20 years on its way but this piece is really a fascinating statement about it and about sounds and recordings and about music, imho. Thanks for this, and for your comments (all of them!). And I'm glad of course that you liked my selections.
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You are very welcome. I did enjoy all of them, and have to say that that long track actually was my very favourite. Perhaps not a good choice to select for the poll, unless you get lots of other thumbs up from the ones who can devote that kind of time. Certainly not everyone can devote a block like that easily, and also listen to the rest of the potentials. But I found it quite stunning.
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Sure, fast spoken words can be annoying in any language! However, it does make a difference whether people understand the lyrics or not. I'm a fan of this group because I appreciate their philosophic approach to current questions of life and their poetic language. |
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Surprisingly it turned out that Laurie Anderson - an artist proposed by me - is listed in the PA's. Here is my alternative proposal. I hope that it fits the poll criteria. Patti
Smith reads Virginia Woolf In
this short footage recorded at the opening of a 2008 Paris exhibition of four
decades’ worth of Smith’s art and photography, she celebrates Woolf’s 1931
novel Waves with a mesmerizing
dramatic performance. In fact, Smith’s choice of narrative is more
conceptual — perhaps an allusion to her 1979 album Wave - than an actual
“reading”: Only a single sentence comes from Woolf’s original text, and the
rest is a kind of free improvisation in a creative homage to the beloved
author. Edited by Mila-13 - August 18 2021 at 21:37 |
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Page Two, first thoughts and a few additions:
George: William Shatner “Sings Rocket Man” Fun to have it presented by Bernie
Taupin. This is so funny! How come so many “talking” songs are
funny? I guess because some have a
tendency to maudlinism. This also
reminds me of when Steve Allen used to recite rock song lyrics with no music. When he sort of sings, it is so
awful (and awfully funny). Kees: King
Missile “Jesus Way Way Cool” No complaints
about this one (and not even were you to nominate the Lucier piece, lol). Organ and plucking set the background for a
sermon about Jesus. But not your
everyday sermon! This is LSDJesus. I actually think Jesus was way cool, a real
rebel and philosopher. Too bad so many
of his “followers,” appear to be so disconnected from his teachings. Christian: Out
of Competition Art of Noise “The Instruments of Darkness” Male voice instructing that he is going to
maintain law and order etc. Sound of a
girl whispering something repeatedly, with orchestral hits and odd noises underneath. The noises slow down. More male voices, then gunshot type sounds
and war type yelling, repeating. Some whangy keys and repeating single notes,
then back to the sorta gun sounds. It
gets a little more musical, then more male voiceover re communisim and
murderers. Keyboard chords are added in
a minor and plaintive tune and the piece fades.
Bomb The Bass “Bug Powder Dust” Whoooooo whoooooo noises and an echo-y voice
with quavery organ. A rapper comes in
and there are just whonks of bass and keys, with some guitar notes, all
repeating, with some more whooshes and such.
Repeated muted organ keys, whomps and sax with whiggggggies (here I go
again!). The rapper continues. Very urban feel to this, overall. Mirakaze:
Drop Nineteens “Kick The Tragedy”
Shimmery, washy sound all around to start. Setting up as a space rock type song, to my
ears. And, several minutes in, so it
is. Past halfway, a girlish voice talks
about realizing she could “change the world.”
As she continues to talk, I get the feeling that she is actually dissociating. It’s an oddly disturbing little diatribe, at
least to me. Probably how many young
people feel, as though nothing is quite real.
The music goes back to the shimmery washy landscape it created, to the
end. Mila: Arnold Schoenberg “Pierrot Lunaire, Serenade (1912)” Christine Schaefer & Ensemble Intercontemporain, conducted by Pierre Boulez: Slidy viola with keys in a discordant and quirky start. A woman sings in a strident tone. Lyrics are about the antics of Pierrot (clown figure) and said viola bow, although it is described as “giant,” for more comic effect. A bald person (Cassander) interferes, so he begins to scrape the bow across Cassander’s bald head. A sad solo on the viola and finally, a few notes on a flute end the piece. Skipping the Laurie Anderon, as it does not qualify, per Christian. Fauve “Blizzard” Chorded, strummed guitar starts and a woman’s voiceover is added, as a drumbeat is subtly inserted, then full kit. A strident male voice enters and begins to ask questions of “Blizzard.” The questioner answers himself, with great disdain and defiance. All the while the music continues in a marchlike cadence. The questioner is certain that he and his kind will prevail. I am certain they took their name from the art movement of the same name, as their lighting, etc in the video version adheres to some of the principals of Fauvism. Marina Abramovic In the MoMA and Ulay: Interesting sort of concept, performance art piece. Very interesting to see how the people were affected by looking into her face. Her face and the face of her ex lover are just exquisite in this, when he enters the exhibit, with her being completely unprepared. They reach out of one another and hold hands. This is my favourite of yours, it is very moving to me. |
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Sorry I haven't been on here much lately, and hope all are doing well.
Interesting poll topic this time, and it has me stumped!! However I am enjoying listening to all these nominations so far. I may post one tomorrow, if i find one :) But it wont be from Jim Morrison
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I'm sorry, if you were right, I'd agree with you. Robin Williams.
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