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Posted: August 05 2021 at 10:37

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If the odds of vaccinated people who will die of Covid is less than 1 in 10 million, why should they care if unvaccinated people die because they chose not to be vaccinated?

I believe the reasons are manifold. Humanitarian reasons come to mind, like health professionals being tired of treating non vaccinated patients who have serious symptoms and eventually die. Others who would like to see the country get herd immunity so that the virus is a distant memory, and all of the conflicting health edicts will go away. Things like that.

Does Steve make a valid point? More folks will die of Cancer and Obesity than of Covid. For humanitarian reasons, should we force Obese folks to diet?

Do healthcare providers tire more of treating ex-smokers of lung cancer, obese people of diabetes, or unvaccinated people of Covid? Nationally, only 52% of healthcare professionals are vaccinated. Seems a significant number of healthcare professionals don't want to be vaccinated. That said, I do believe a vaccination decreases the odds of contracting Covid.

Herd immunity? I believe that Covid has become endemic. It will never go away.

Case in point. Coronaviruses cause 20% of all common colds. Even if 85% of people are vaccinated, I predict that Covid will never go away, and it will become as seasonal as flu and colds.

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Posted: August 05 2021 at 11:37

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Does Steve make a valid point? More folks will die of Cancer and Obesity than of Covid. For humanitarian reasons, should we force Obese folks to diet?

Cindy, when lung cancer and diabetes become the main illnesses of world wide pandemics, we can continue this discussion. It's always a case of apples and oranges with your ilk. You asked for reasons why people should care about non vaccinated people but failed to state why you don't. What's your libertarian's view on why people needlessly dying is no big deal. The shot is free. It doesn't cost anything. The side effects are rare. It keeps people from dying needlessly. So, what's your beef with it? Why does a health professional like you fail to care about the health of others?

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Posted: August 05 2021 at 11:40

Side effects are unknown and with all the illegal censorship one has to wonder.

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Posted: August 05 2021 at 11:48

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Side effects are unknown and with all the illegal censorship one has to wonder.

False. The same side effects are notable in previous RNA therapies.

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Posted: August 05 2021 at 12:15

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Side effects are unknown and with all the illegal censorship one has to wonder.

False. The same side effects are notable in previous RNA therapies.

I guess you know better than the guy who actually invented the mRNA technology back in the late 80’s.

This technology can be used for incorporating a host of different directives. Think of it as software for the body.

For covid it’s a set of instructions for the body or more specifically for the cells to make spike proteins. This has never been done before..

In case you forgot from yesterday:

I hope you’re right that the mandates are only temporary. However, it doesn’t make sense not to let kids attend schools if they have the same immunity if not better than those that have been vaccinated. Some companies that are in the no jab no job list are, Google, Netflix, BlackRock, Walt Disney, Facebook, Morgan Stanley, Washington Post, Twitter and many others. I guess the bureaucrats in Italy are much smarter than the US; or maybe less greedy.

Looking at the VAERS data the number of adverse effects is much greater than any other vaccine. The number of deaths is also much higher, it’s probably around 7,000 now. However, if you calculate the number of people vaccinated, percentage wise it’s still not bad.

The other factor is long term effects, which no-one knows because there is no long-term data yet. I really hope there will be very minimal to no complications. I don’t see a reason for anyone that went through covid to gamble on either the short-term risks and the unknown long-term risks.

What should send red flags is all the censorship. Why are prominent scientists and doctors being censored, threatened with legal actions as well as personal threats? Our government has hired the same people that fight terrorist organizations to go after these individuals. If you suppress one side, then we all know where that can lead. You can’t have a once sided debate..

Bret Weinstein and his wife Heather are not anti-vaxxers and are probably some of the most vaccinated people on the planet. As biologists they travel all over the world to places such as the Amazon, hence all the vaccines. When they first looked at the virus, they had a very strong suspicion that it did not originate in nature but came from a lab. With all their credentials they were mocked and censored along with anyone else that didn’t follow the narrative.

Dr. Robert Malone appeared on one of their podcasts that lasted 3 hours. I was only able to view 1 hour of it but downloaded it because I knew it would be taken down. Sure enough, it’s no longer available on YouTube, but you may be able to find it elsewhere. Dr. Malone build the core platform for mRNA and was credit as the inventor of the mRNA technology. He was credited but no longer, Wikipedia scrubbed his name out. His Linkedin account was shut down along with other backlashes against him.

Malone compiled and graphed data as to where the vaccine travels within a 48-hour period. It was said that it remains in the site of the injection. However, this is not what the data was showing him. It travels throughout the body, including bone marrow.

Malone states we should be on the lookout for cancer such as leukemia 5-15 years down the road. He also expresses that this is all unknown, but we should be cognizant about it and recommended routine testing for early treatment if necessary. For women there is a very high concentration in the ovaries. Alarmed, he had the data and graph peer reviewed after which he sent his findings through the appropriate channels. If I’m not mistaken it was sent to the CDC as well as other outfits. According to Malone it fell on deaf ears, so he decided to speak out.

I viewed several of Bret’s podcasts called DarkHorse. Although I don’t agree with all his or his guest’s views, it’s intellectual and thought provoking. At times his guests are not in agreement but that’s what makes the discussions interesting and challenging. Highly recommended...

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Posted: August 05 2021 at 13:21

[/QUOTE]Cindy, when lung cancer and diabetes become the main illnesses of world wide pandemics, we can continue this discussion.

Are you saying that you can't catch lung cancer or diabetes from other people? Granted. If so, what does it matter to vaccinated people, if their chances of dying from catching covid are less than 1 in 10 million? "My body, my choice" seems to be more important than two vaccinated people dying from Covid worldwide.

It's always a case of apples and oranges with your ilk. You asked for reasons why people should care about non vaccinated people but failed to state why you don't. What's your libertarian's view on why people needlessly dying is no big deal. The shot is free. It doesn't cost anything. The side effects are rare. It keeps people from dying needlessly. So, what's your beef with it? Why does a health professional like you fail to care about the health of others?[/QUOTE

Vaccination side effects have killed at least a thousand times more people, than vaccinated people who died of covid.

If the shots are free than how come Pfizer's stock price has almost tripled since Trump first mentioned vaccines? Taxes pay for vaccinations. Pfizer's earnings did not appear out of thin air.

My only problem with the vaccine? People should be allowed to choose for themselves. I think it's the law of the land. I've been vaccinated. That said, it's none of my business if you get vaccinated. What gives me the right? Since I've been vaccinated, you are no threat to my life.

I care plenty about the health of people. However, that does not give me the right to interfere with people's freedom of choice. I care about babies. That said, I don't condemn women for getting abortions. It's their legal right- "My body, my choice."

Edited by omphaloskepsis - August 05 2021 at 13:25

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Posted: August 05 2021 at 13:51

CosmicVibration wrote:

SteveG wrote:

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Side effects are unknown and with all the illegal censorship one has to wonder.

False. The same side effects are notable in previous RNA therapies.

I guess you
know better than the guy who actually invented the mRNA technology back in the
late 80’s. <o:p></o:p>

This
technology can be used for incorporating a host of different directives. Think of it as software for the body. <o:p></o:p>

For covid it’s
a set of instructions for the body or more specifically for the cells to make spike
proteins. This has never been done
before..<o:p></o:p>

In case you
forgot from yesterday:<o:p></o:p>

<a name="_Hlk78988020">I
hope you’re right that the mandates are only temporary. However, it
doesn’t make sense not to let kids attend schools if they have the same
immunity if not better than those that have been vaccinated. Some
companies that are in the no jab no job list are, Google, Netflix, BlackRock,
Walt Disney, Facebook, Morgan Stanley, Washington Post, Twitter and many
others. I guess the bureaucrats in Italy are much smarter than the US; or
maybe less greedy. <u1:p></u1:p></a><o:p></o:p>

<p style=":#F8F8FC;font-variant-ligatures: normal;font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: 2;widows: 2;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial;text-decoration-color: initial;word-spacing: 0px">What should send red flags is all the
censorship. Why are prominent scientists and doctors being censored,
threatened with legal actions as well as personal threats? Our government has
hired the same people that fight terrorist organizations to go after these individuals.
If you suppress one side, then we all know where that can lead. You
can’t have a once sided debate..<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p>

<p style=":#F8F8FC;font-variant-ligatures: normal;font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: 2;widows: 2;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial;text-decoration-color: initial;word-spacing: 0px">Bret Weinstein and his wife Heather are not
anti-vaxxers and are probably some of the most vaccinated people on the
planet. As biologists they travel all over the world to places such as
the Amazon, hence all the vaccines. When they first looked at the virus, they
had a very strong suspicion that it did not originate in nature but came from a
lab. With all their credentials they were mocked and censored along with
anyone else that didn’t follow the narrative. <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p>

<p style=":#F8F8FC;font-variant-ligatures: normal;font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: 2;widows: 2;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial;text-decoration-color: initial;word-spacing: 0px">Dr. Robert Malone appeared on one of their
podcasts that lasted 3 hours. I was only able to view 1 hour of it but
downloaded it because I knew it would be taken down. Sure enough, it’s no
longer available on YouTube, but you may be able to find it elsewhere.
Dr. Malone build the core platform for mRNA and was credit as the inventor of
the mRNA technology. He was credited but no longer, Wikipedia scrubbed
his name out. His Linkedin account was shut down along with other
backlashes against him. <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p>

<p style=":#F8F8FC;font-variant-ligatures: normal;font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: 2;widows: 2;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial;text-decoration-color: initial;word-spacing: 0px">Malone states we should be on the lookout for
cancer such as leukemia 5-15 years down the road. He also expresses that
this is all unknown, but we should be cognizant about it and recommended
routine testing for early treatment if necessary. For women there is a very
high concentration in the ovaries. Alarmed,
he had the data and graph peer reviewed after which he sent his findings
through the appropriate channels. If I’m not mistaken it was sent to the
CDC as well as other outfits. According to Malone it fell on deaf ears, so he
decided to speak out.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p>

You seem to know better than the guy who devepef RNA technology in the 80s so why can't anyone else. Or is it only you that's able to grasp such knowledge?

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Posted: August 05 2021 at 14:01

CosmicVibration wrote:

SteveG wrote:

CosmicVibration wrote:

Side effects are unknown and with all the illegal censorship one has to wonder.

False. The same side effects are notable in previous RNA therapies.

In case you
forgot from yesterday:<o:p></o:p>

<p style=":#F8F8FC;font-variant-ligatures: normal;font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: 2;widows: 2;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial;text-decoration-color: initial;word-spacing: 0px">Bret Weinstein and his wife Heather are not
anti-vaxxers and are probably some of the most vaccinated people on the
planet. As biologists they travel all over the world to places such as
the Amazon, hence all the vaccines. When they first looked at the virus, they
had a very strong suspicion that it did not originate in nature but came from a
lab. With all their credentials they were mocked and censored along with
anyone else that didn’t follow the narrative. <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p>

<p style=":#F8F8FC;font-variant-ligatures: normal;font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: 2;widows: 2;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial;text-decoration-color: initial;word-spacing: 0px">Dr. Robert Malone appeared on one of their
podcasts that lasted 3 hours. I was only able to view 1 hour of it but
downloaded it because I knew it would be taken down. Sure enough, it’s no
longer available on YouTube, but you may be able to find it elsewhere.
Dr. Malone build the core platform for mRNA and was credit as the inventor of
the mRNA technology. He was credited but no longer, Wikipedia scrubbed
his name out. His Linkedin account was shut down along with other
backlashes against him. <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p>

<p style=":#F8F8FC;font-variant-ligatures: normal;font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: 2;widows: 2;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial;text-decoration-color: initial;word-spacing: 0px">Malone states we should be on the lookout for
cancer such as leukemia 5-15 years down the road. He also expresses that
this is all unknown, but we should be cognizant about it and recommended
routine testing for early treatment if necessary. For women there is a very
high concentration in the ovaries. Alarmed,
he had the data and graph peer reviewed after which he sent his findings
through the appropriate channels. If I’m not mistaken it was sent to the
CDC as well as other outfits. According to Malone it fell on deaf ears, so he
decided to speak out.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p>

In case you haven't noticed I'm not advocating for mandatory vaccinations. This is not the police state that Trump envisioned. But getting back to the facts, 339 million vaccines have been doled out in the US with only 3 recorded deaths. You're perfectly free not to get vaccinated. A state that I wouldn't change for all the money in the world. But don't make up facts to support your reasons for doing so.

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Posted: August 05 2021 at 14:21

where are you getting 3 deaths from? Last time i checked VAERS it was over 6,000

what about long term complications? unknown..

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Posted: August 05 2021 at 14:36

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where are you getting 3 deaths from? Last time i checked VAERS it was over 6,000

what about long term complications? unknown..

Glad you noticed that. Over 6000 deaths were reported to VAERS. But they only confirmed 3 deaths as actually having been caused by vaccines alone. The others are too tied into pre existing conditions to definitely hold the vaccines responsible. Undiagnosed heart conditions being the leading cause, amongst others.

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Posted: August 05 2021 at 14:38

I think these so-called "long term complications" need some context, which has been sorely missing in this conversation:

https://www.uab.edu/news/health/item/12143-three-things-to-know-about-the-long-term-side-effects-of-covid-vaccines

https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/how-do-we-know-covid-19-vaccine-wont-have-long-term-side-effects

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/vaccines-are-highly-unlikely-to-cause-side-effects-long-after-getting-the-shot-

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Posted: August 05 2021 at 14:57

As a parting thought, what were the long term effects of patients that have undergone previous RNA therapies? As far as I know, and I may be wrong, they incurred nothing substantial. But they certainly didn't grow another head.

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Posted: August 06 2021 at 03:36

suitkees wrote:

A comment like this, nowadays, really is unimaginable to me and shows so much ignorance and egoism... How can you say this when you know, or could know, that more and more youngsters die or suffer from more or less severe consequences of Covid? Of course, not in the same proportions as elder people and people with co-mobordities, but yes, young people are among the victims. Furthermore, they play a major role in the contamination of others, so pretending they should live their life as if nothing is going on is sheer selfishness fed by disinformation and ignorance.

Snicolette wrote:

I'm sure those deaths are pretty important to the people who died and their friends and families.

Thanks Kees and Nickie. Exactly as you say ... we need to take care of families and friends around us. That's why we should wear masks, not only for ourselves.

Anyway Japan's total number of Covid19 infections surpassed 1 million today, to be sad.

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Posted: August 06 2021 at 03:52

It is said that this damned thing has begun to threaten China again. Hard to predict how long this nightmare will last.

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Posted: August 06 2021 at 05:53

One potentially important effect of mass vaccination (and also observation of measures to reduce transmission) is to lower the probability of the emergence of new variants. I think this issue is key for how the pandemic will go on. There is negative and positive potential in this - chances are new variants that prove successful will have ever better transmission ability (as Delta now) and may at some point not be stopped by vaccination anymore (at least not the vaccination we have now). On the other hand a successful variant may ultimately also be less deadly and more harmless, so that its spread (even if unstoppable) is not much reason for concern anymore. For some reason this hasn't happened up to now, but we can hope...

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Posted: August 06 2021 at 11:49

SteveG wrote:

CosmicVibration wrote:

where are you getting 3 deaths from? Last time i checked VAERS it was over 6,000

what about long term complications? unknown..

Who confirmed only 3 deaths? Are you just pulling that number out of your… ? I suspect the actual number to be larger than 7k.

With the enormous profit being made by big pharma, the greed and corruption is immense. The only way I see of subjugating this is to take profit out of the equation. I would vote to socialize health care.

Not only did I piss off the Liptards but now the Repubtards are going to get enraged.

Infuriating both sides I may have to hightail and disappear from this discussion..

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Posted: August 06 2021 at 12:09

^ When I looked it up I found only three as well. This isn't anything I was particularly concerned about either way, just telling you what the official count was that I saw.
EDIT: The figures are from Science Review.
P.S. Is there such a thing as an independentard?

Edited by Easy Money - August 06 2021 at 12:14

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...I may have to hightail and disappear from this discussion..

That seems to me a very good idea, because every time you have no arguments anymore you shift attention to another point of discussion, with the same result...

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Posted: August 06 2021 at 12:13

CosmicVibration wrote:

SteveG wrote:

CosmicVibration wrote:

where are you getting 3 deaths from? Last time i checked VAERS it was over 6,000

what about long term complications? unknown..

Who confirmed only 3 deaths? Are you just pulling that number out of your… ? I suspect the actual number to be larger than 7k.

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Serious adverse events after COVID-19 vaccination are rare but may occur.

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Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States. Severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis, can occur after any vaccination. If this occurs, vaccination providers can effectively and immediately treat the reaction. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis.
Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen (J&J/Janssen) COVID-19 vaccination is rare. As of July 26, 2021, more than 13 million doses of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine have been given in the United States. CDC and FDA identified 39 confirmed reports of people who got the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and later developed TTS. Women younger than 50 years old especially should be aware of the rare but increased risk of this adverse event. There are other COVID-19 vaccine options available for which this risk has not been seen. Learn more about J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS.
- To date, two confirmed cases of TTS following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Moderna) have been reported to VAERS after more than 328 million doses of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines administered in the United States. Based on available data, there is not an increased risk for TTS after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.
CDC and FDA are monitoring reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) in people who have received the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine. GBS is a rare disorder where the body’s immune system damages nerve cells, causing muscle weakness and sometimes paralysis. Most people fully recover from GBS, but some have permanent nerve damage. After more than 13 million J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine doses administered, there have been around 143 preliminary reports of GBS identified in VAERS as of July 30. These cases have largely been reported about 2 weeks after vaccination and mostly in men, many 50 years and older. CDC will continue to monitor for and evaluate reports of GBS occurring after COVID-19 vaccination and will share more information as it becomes available.
Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. As of July 30, 2021, VAERS has received 1,249 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis among people ages 30 and younger who received COVID-19 vaccine. Most cases have been reported after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna), particularly in male adolescents and young adults. Through follow-up, including medical record reviews, CDC and FDA have confirmed 716 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis. CDC and its partners are investigating these reports to assess whether there is a relationship to COVID-19 vaccination. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and myocarditis.
Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 346 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through August 2, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,490 reports of death (0.0019%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has cause 3 deaths.

There is a difference between reported deaths and confirmed deaths from the vaccine. it's this type of misinformation that runs rampant amongst the anti vaccine faction.

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Posted: August 06 2021 at 14:15

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^ When I looked it up I found only three as well. This isn't anything I was particularly concerned about either way, just telling you what the official count was that I saw.
EDIT: The figures are from Science Review.
P.S. Is there such a thing as an independentard?

I’m pretty sure there is.. LOL

One last note, especially for SteveG who seems to still be foggy about it. There is no long term data for this specific payload. The code that instructs the cells to build pieces of the spike protein is new.

Some bugs in commonly used pieces of software go unnoticed for years. The operating system for the human body is far more complex than any OS. Maybe if bodily system glitches show up from the vaccine or the spike proteins causes damage in the future, they’ll have a patch for it. Stern Smile

This technology has almost endless applications. As with any technology it can be used for noble purposes or malevolence. The other concern is safety. So maybe if there is no profit to be made any new application will have more transparency and will undergo better regression testing.

And if it’s open source it will also undergo more scrutiny. If all the different Pharmaceuticals companies shared their findings, results and formulas, the advancement will better, quicker and safer.

Anyone for socialized health care?

Edited by CosmicVibration - August 06 2021 at 14:18