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siLLy puPPy 
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 Posted: August 04 2021 at 19:51 |
 omphaloskepsis wrote:
Are the vaccines FDA approved? |
NO! They are not.
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DamoXt7942
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Posted: August 05 2021 at 02:39 |
I've learned officials in Tokyo, where Olympic Games are being held, will confirm more than 5000 new COVID19 infection cases today, the highest daily tally the capital has seen. More than half of the total cases are young guys who do not wear masks and have not got any single jab yet. We are sure wearing masks should be quite important. 
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Ronstein
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Posted: August 05 2021 at 04:48 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Tapfret wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Tapfret wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
Seems to me the practical issue is if hospitals fill up with unvaccinated then it will be harder to get other forms of medical treatment for everyone.
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Practical issue? But, but... my freedom. WHAT ABOUT MY FREEDOM??!!!??! ME! ME! ME!
But no. I come in to monitor threads like and I see categorical bullsh*t like "mRNA vaccines are experimental gene-therapy". |
You obviously haven't done your homework either. Excuse me, my Toad friend but mRNA vaccines ARE experiential gene therapy injections and absolutely nobody can deny that.
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^Don't tell me I don't do my research. Its part of my job! Constant continuing education courses are required to maintain licensure and specialization certification. And many of those required hours over the last year directly pertained to C19. My specialty is oncology, when all hands on deck aren't fighting a pandemic. How cancer scrambles your DNA, gene expression etc. is key to understanding and treating patients with the disease. Additionally, one of my foci in microbiology was phage transduction (antibiotic resistance transferred between bacterial cells by viruses, called phages, that infect bacteria, directly altering gene expression within host bacteria through transfer of DNA). I'm not going to tout myself as an expert. There are people out there with layer upon layer of degrees and peer-reviewed research in immunology, the vast majority of whom are onboard with current treatment modalities. But saying " You obviously haven't done your homework either" is not just arrogant and dismissive of my own work and requirements, but the entire medical profession.
Plus, you just posted a source that directly contradicts your assertions.
"2 How does gene therapy work? ...A new gene is inserted directly into a cell...
6 What are mRNA vaccines and how do they work? ...mRNA from vaccines does not enter the nucleus and does not alter DNA..."
Not gene therapy. End of story! |
You are incorrect about this but i don't have time to debate this. I've seen more than enough evidence to be convinced myself.
Sorry but the medical system teaches lots of stuff that has never been proven.
For example NOBODY can even prove that the virus exists. It has never been isolated.
This has been held up by the Supreme Court in Germany and a similar court case in Alberta, Canada just ruled that there is NO PROOF that the virus exists.
You learn what they tell you but that doesn't mean it's correct.
There's a reason i left the world of biology as a means for making a living.
They have based an entire system on false paradigms.
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Utter cobblers. In the real world, the virus has been isolated, mapped and vaccines designed to attach to the spike protein. Numerous laboratories have released electron microscope images of the virus and different strains have been identified in exactly this way.
I know I should bite, but........
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SteveG
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Posted: August 05 2021 at 05:24 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
For example NOBODY can even prove that the virus exists. It has never been isolated.
This has been held up by the Supreme Court in Germany and a similar court case in Alberta, Canada just ruled that there is NO PROOF that the virus exists.
You learn what they tell you but that doesn't mean it's correct.
There's a reason i left the world of biology as a means for making a living.
They have based an entire system on false paradigms.
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There are many things in science that are still classified as theoretical as they cannot be seen or measured but are believed to exist due to indirect events and causality. We cannot "see" sub atomic particles but believe that they exist because we can measure radiation from certain types. We believe the Covid virus exists because the administering of vaccines has the ability to almost stop all those who are vaccinated from catching it. The proof that it exists is our ability to understand it and control it to a very high degree. That is the real science.
Edited by SteveG - August 05 2021 at 05:25
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: August 05 2021 at 06:36 |
Is it true that tens of thousands of unvaccinated illegal aliens are released into USA by border agents?
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Easy Money
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Posted: August 05 2021 at 07:15 |
omphaloskepsis wrote:
Is it true that tens of thousands of unvaccinated illegal aliens are released into USA by border agents?
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Possibly you missed it, but on the previous page of this thread Tapfret had some questions for you regarding your claim of being tested before every shift.
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SteveG
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Posted: August 05 2021 at 07:59 |
omphaloskepsis wrote:
Is it true that tens of thousands of unvaccinated illegal aliens are released into USA by border agents?
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The Republicans (the same people that claim that the Capital riot on 1/6/2021 was nothing more than a peaceful non violent lovefest) say so. So no, it's not true.
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Cboi Sandlin
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Posted: August 05 2021 at 08:06 |
DamoXt7942 wrote:
I've learned officials in Tokyo, where Olympic Games are being held, will confirm more than 5000 new COVID19 infection cases today, the highest daily tally the capital has seen. More than half of the total cases are young guys who do not wear masks and have not got any single jab yet. We are sure wearing masks should be quite important.
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Bro, if they are young people why are getting the disease doesn’t matter. They have next to zero risk. Just let people live their lives
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Cboi Sandlin
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Posted: August 05 2021 at 08:11 |
SteveG wrote:
omphaloskepsis wrote:
Is it true that tens of thousands of unvaccinated illegal aliens are released into USA by border agents?
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The Republicans (the same people that claim that the Capital riot on 1/6/2021 was nothing more than a peaceful non violent lovefest) say so. So no, it's not true.
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Well is a very stupid response. First of all, the capitol riots were bad yes but all the republicans are trying to say is that it wasn’t trumps fault, it was the fault of the idiots that did it (also it is very hipocritical to say that since the Democrats still promote the lie that the BLM riots that burn down building’s are peaceful). Second of all, it is incredibly ignorant to say that “if the republicans say it it isn’t true”.
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suitkees
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Posted: August 05 2021 at 08:15 |
Cboi Sandlin wrote:
Bro, if they are young people why are getting the disease doesn’t matter. They have next to zero risk. Just let people live their lives |
A comment like this, nowadays, really is unimaginable to me and shows so much ignorance and egoism... How can you say this when you know, or could know, that more and more youngsters die or suffer from more or less severe consequences of Covid? Of course, not in the same proportions as elder people and people with co-mobordities, but yes, young people are among the victims. Furthermore, they play a major role in the contamination of others, so pretending they should live their life as if nothing is going on is sheer selfishness fed by disinformation and ignorance.
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SteveG
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Posted: August 05 2021 at 08:24 |
Sorry son, but Republicans can't have it both ways. Either the Capitol Riots were a violent attempt to change the outcome of a legal and fair election and "tens of thousands" of illegals are crossing the border, or neither of the two events are true. Think a bit before answering this time. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you failed to the first time and are not that dimwitted.
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Cboi Sandlin
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Posted: August 05 2021 at 08:27 |
SteveG wrote:
Sorry son, but Republicans can't have it both ways. Either the Capitol Riots were a violent attempt to change the outcome of a legal and fair election and "tens of thousands" of illegals are crossing the border, or neither of the two events are true. Think a bit before answering this time. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you failed to the first time and are not that dimwitted. |
Bro I told you, I do not condone what happened at the capitol, it was bad, but not any worse than BLM riots that burn down buildings!
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Cboi Sandlin
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Posted: August 05 2021 at 08:31 |
suitkees wrote:
Cboi Sandlin wrote:
Bro, if they are young people why are getting the disease doesn’t matter. They have next to zero risk. Just let people live their lives |
A comment like this, nowadays, really is unimaginable to me and shows so much ignorance and egoism... How can you say this when you know, or could know, that more and more youngsters die or suffer from more or less severe consequences of Covid? Of course, not in the same proportions as elder people and people with co-mobordities, but yes, young people are among the victims. Furthermore, they play a major role in the contamination of others, so pretending they should live their life as if nothing is going on is sheer selfishness fed by disinformation and ignorance.
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Okay well yesterday there was 14 deaths from COVID in all of Japan, on August 1st there was only 5. These are incrediblely low. Why should we be making everyone wear masks over such tiny numbers. Just let people make their own choices, they can wear masks if they want to, but if they don’t, leave them alone.
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Snicolette
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Posted: August 05 2021 at 08:40 |
Cboi Sandlin wrote:
Okay well yesterday there was 14 deaths from COVID in all of Japan, on August 1st there was only 5. These are incrediblely low. Why should we be making everyone wear masks over such tiny numbers. Just let people make their own choices, they can wear masks if they want to, but if they don’t, leave them alone. |
I'm sure those deaths are pretty important to the people who died and their friends and families.
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SteveG
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Posted: August 05 2021 at 09:00 |
Cboi Sandlin wrote:
SteveG wrote:
Sorry son, but Republicans can't have it both ways. Either the Capitol Riots were a violent attempt to change the outcome of a legal and fair election and "tens of thousands" of illegals are crossing the border, or neither of the two events are true. Think a bit before answering this time. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you failed to the first time and are not that dimwitted. |
Bro I told you, I do not condone what happened at the capitol, it was bad, but not any worse than BLM riots that burn down buildings! |
You don't condone the Capital Riots as you see, like most Republicans, a false equaliency. Bad riot compared to bad riot. Not what was really the issue, a populist government coup instigated by a political tyrant versus a mob burning police cars and destroying thier own neighborhoods to protest the arbitrary killings of blacks by Cops. One action was to enact an injustice, the other action was to protest one. There is no equaliency between those two facts.
Edited by SteveG - August 05 2021 at 09:16
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: August 05 2021 at 09:14 |
Easy Money wrote:
omphaloskepsis wrote:
Is it true that tens of thousands of unvaccinated illegal aliens are released into USA by border agents?
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Possibly you missed it, but on the previous page of this thread Tapfret had some questions for you regarding your claim of being tested before every shift. |
I did not miss it. I sent Tapfret a PM.
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suitkees
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Posted: August 05 2021 at 09:21 |
Cboi Sandlin wrote:
Okay well yesterday there was 14 deaths from COVID in all of Japan, on August 1st there was only 5. These are incrediblely low. Why should we be making everyone wear masks over such tiny numbers. Just let people make their own choices, they can wear masks if they want to, but if they don’t, leave them alone. |
That's what I meant: this stance is either motivated by pure selfishness or utter stupidity. I'm afraid it is a combination of both.
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: August 05 2021 at 10:06 |
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If the odds of vaccinated people who will die of Covid is less than 1 in 10 million, why should they care if unvaccinated people die, because they chose not to be vaccinated?
Edited by omphaloskepsis - August 05 2021 at 10:20
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SteveG
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Posted: August 05 2021 at 10:17 |
omphaloskepsis wrote:
If the odds of vaccinated people who will die of Covid is less than 1 in 10 million, why should they care if unvaccinated people die because they chose not to be vaccinated? |
I believe the reasons are manifold. Humanitarian reasons come to mind, like health professionals being tired of treating non vaccinated patients who have serious symptoms and eventually die. Others who would like to see the country get herd immunity so that the virus is a distant memory, and all of the conflicting health edicts will go away. Things like that.
Edited by SteveG - August 05 2021 at 10:18
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CosmicVibration
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Posted: August 05 2021 at 10:36 |
The mask thing has many variables to consider.. The N95 mask if properly fitted has around 95% efficiency against covid. If it’s not properly fitted it could drop to 50% or lower. How many people wear a properly fitted N95 mask or better? The masks that most wear provide very little protection. There are several other things such as health and psychological issues. I need to get back to work, I’ll expand later.
Edited by CosmicVibration - August 05 2021 at 10:37
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