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DamoXt7942 
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Joined: October 15 2008 Location: Okayama, Japan Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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Would you please be thoughtful for serious COVID patients, recovered patients with sequalaes, or all medical workers especially in emergency hospitals all over the world? Thank you.
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Lewian
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Posted: July 31 2021 at 03:30 |
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@siLLy puPPy: Everybody who reads this and other threads should know by now that you "researched these very topics for well over 1000 hours" and have a biology degree, which adds absolutely zero to your arguments, or let's rather say to your patchy references to "arguments" of others. You could write more to the point postings without repeating that stuff over and over again but it seems you think you have to because the content of what you otherwise write may not be strong enough to stand for itself... just wondering...  |
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Man With Hat
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Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team Joined: March 12 2005 Location: Neurotica Status: Offline Points: 166183 |
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empathy is not a trait of humanity, especially of those that reside in the USA.
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me
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SteveG
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Posted: July 31 2021 at 04:12 |
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Raff
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24429 |
Posted: July 31 2021 at 05:35 |
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Thank you for this, Ian. I don't log in much these days, but always have a look at a few threads, and this one tempted me to post something that would've been hidden pronto. Freedom is all very fine and dandy, but I have lived enough to know that it needs to be accompanied by respect for others. There was very little respect for those who have suffered (or died) because of this disease, and for those who have lost loved ones.
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Mascodagama
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Eloquent, brilliant, should be read by everybody. |
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Soldato of the Pan Head Mafia. We'll make you an offer you can't listen to.
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Cboi Sandlin
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Joined: March 25 2021 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 461 |
Posted: July 31 2021 at 08:19 |
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You can say whatever you want to argue whether people should get vaccinated, but it is still their right to not get vaccinated. This is a country where people are able to make their own decisions, whether you agree with them or not. |
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Easy Money
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10669 |
Posted: July 31 2021 at 08:32 |
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^ Yes, free to make decisions and free to suffer the consequences of those decisions. Your home state of Texas is second only to Florida when it comes to the recent resurgence of Covid cases in the US.
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Cboi Sandlin
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Well most of the at risk people get the vaccine though, it’s mostly young and healthy people who don’t, so it really doesn’t matter. COVID isn’t much worse than the flu, so if there is a resurgence, it doesn’t matter because they will mostly be fine. |
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Easy Money
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Posted: July 31 2021 at 08:55 |
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^ I've known about 20 people who have caught covid. It is almost always much worse than the flu.
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siLLy puPPy
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PSIKE, JRF/Canterbury, P Metal, Eclectic Joined: October 05 2013 Location: SFcaUsA Status: Offline Points: 15278 |
Posted: July 31 2021 at 09:02 |
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I'm simply offering a different perspective because you are all supposedly interested in having dialogue and hearing other points of view. I honestly don't care if anyone here believes a single word i say. I'm simply stating that as someone who has done the homework that i would NEVER accept an inoculation of any kind. I have not received a single jab since i was a child and guess what. I never get sick either! I don't come to theses threads often because i agree with Tapfret, this is a music site. I study theses things on my own. I just wanted to point out that there is an industry behind the decisions being made and if everyone thinks all doctors and scientists are in agreement with this, then they are mistaken. The reason i cannot expand further into arguments is because it would consume all my time trying to convince you. If what i say resonates with anyone, then you have to do the arduous task of researching on your own.
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siLLy puPPy
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PSIKE, JRF/Canterbury, P Metal, Eclectic Joined: October 05 2013 Location: SFcaUsA Status: Offline Points: 15278 |
Posted: July 31 2021 at 09:12 |
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You obviously haven't done your homework either. Excuse me, my Toad friend but mRNA vaccines ARE experiential gene therapy injections and absolutely nobody can deny that. It's all right here on the Medicine Plus government website. Why should ANYONE risk injury from UNAPPROVED INJECTIONS from the FDA? Gene Therapy and Other Medical Advances 1 What is gene therapy? Gene therapy is an experimental technique that uses genes to treat or prevent disease. In the future, this technique may allow doctors to treat a disorder by inserting a gene intoa patient’s cells instead of using drugs or surgery. Researchers are testing several approaches to gene therapy, including: • Replacing a mutated gene that causes disease with a healthy copy of the gene. • Inactivating, or “knocking out,” a mutated gene that is functioning improperly. • Introducing a new gene into the body to help fight a disease. Although gene therapy is a promising treatment option for a number of diseases (including inherited disorders, some types of cancer, and certain viral infections), the technique remains risky and is still under study to make sure that it will be safe and effective. Gene therapy is currently being tested only for diseases that have no other cures. For general information about gene therapy: MedlinePlus offers a list of links to information about genes and gene therapy (https://m edlineplus.gov/genesandgenetherapy.html). The Genetic Science Learning Center at the University of Utah provides an interactive introduction to gene therapy (https://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/genetherapy/) and adiscussion of several diseases for which gene therapy has been successful (https://lea rn.genetics.utah.edu/content/genetherapy/success/). The Centre for Genetics Education provides an introduction to gene therapy (https://ww w.genetics.edu.au/publications-and-resources/facts-sheets/fact-sheet-23-gene-therapy), including a discussion of ethical and safety considerations. Your Genome from the Wellcome Genome Campus provides an introduction to gene therapy and describes several techniques (https://www.yourgenome.org/facts/what-is-g ene-therapy). KidsHealth from Nemours offers a fact sheet called Gene Therapy and Children (https:// kidshealth.org/en/parents/gene-therapy.html) 2 How does gene therapy work? Gene therapy is designed to introduce genetic material into cells to compensate for abnormal genes or to make a beneficial protein. If a mutated gene causes a necessary protein to be faulty or missing, gene therapy may be able to introduce a normal copy of the gene to restore the function of the protein. A gene that is inserted directly into a cell usually does not function. Instead, a carrier called a vector is genetically engineered to deliver the gene. Certain viruses are often used as vectors because they can deliver the new gene by infecting the cell. The virusesare modified so they can't cause disease when used in people. Some types of virus, such as retroviruses, integrate their genetic material (including the new gene) into achromosome in the human cell. Other viruses, such as adenoviruses, introduce their DNA into the nucleus of the cell, but the DNA is not integrated into a chromosome. The vector can be injected or given intravenously (by IV) directly into a specific tissue in the body, where it is taken up by individual cells. Alternately, a sample of the patient's cells can be removed and exposed to the vector in a laboratory setting. The cells containing the vector are then returned to the patient. If the treatment is successful, the new gene delivered by the vector will make a functioning protein. Researchers must overcome many technical challenges before gene therapy will be a practical approach to treating disease. For example, scientists must find better ways to deliver genes and target them to particular cells. They must also ensure that new genes are precisely controlled by the body. A new gene is inserted directly into a cell. A carrier called a vector is genetically engineered to deliver the gene. An adenovirus introduces the DNA into the nucleus of thecell, but the DNA is not integrated into a chromosome. (Figure 1) Reprinted from MedlinePlus Genetics (https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/) 3 FIGURE 1: A new gene is inserted directly into a cell. A carrier called a vector is genetically engineered to deliver the gene. An adenovirus introduces the DNA into the nucleus of the cell, but the DNA is not integratedinto a chromosome. For more information about how gene therapy works: The Genetic Science Learning Center at the University of Utah provides information about various technical aspects of gene therapy in Gene Delivery: Tools of the Trade (ht tps://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/genetherapy/tools/). They also discuss other approaches to gene therapy (https://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/genetherapy/appro aches/) and offer a related learning activity called Space Doctor (https://learn.genetics.u tah.edu/content/genetherapy/doctor/). Penn Medicine's OncoLink describes how gene therapy works and how it is administeredto patients (https://www.oncolink.org/cancer-treatment/immunotherapy/wha t-is-gene-therapy). Your Genome from the Wellcome Genome campus explains the first gene therapy trial totreat a condition called severe combined immunodeficiency (SCID) (https://www.yourg enome.org/stories/treating-the-bubble-babies-gene-therapy-in-use). It also describes other applications for gene therapy. 3 Is gene therapy safe? Gene therapy is under study to determine whether it could be used to treat disease. Current research is evaluating the safety of gene therapy; future studies will test whetherit is an effective treatment option. Several studies have already shown that this approach can have very serious health risks, such as toxicity, inflammation, and cancer. Because the techniques are relatively new, some of the risks may be unpredictable; however, medical researchers, institutions, and regulatory agencies are working to ensure that gene therapy research is as safe as possible. Comprehensive federal laws, regulations, and guidelines help protect people who participate in research studies (called clinical trials). The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulates all gene therapy products in the United States and oversees research in this area. Researchers who wish to test an approach in a clinical trial must first obtain permission from the FDA. The FDA has the authority to reject or suspend clinical trials that are suspected of being unsafe for participants. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) also plays an important role in ensuring the safetyof gene therapy research. NIH provides guidelines for investigators and institutions(such as universities and hospitals) to follow when conducting clinical trials with gene therapy. These guidelines state that clinical trials at institutions receiving NIH funding for this type of research must be registered with the NIH Office of Biotechnology Activities. The protocol, or plan, for each clinical trial is then reviewed by the NIH Recombinant DNA Advisory Committee (RAC) to determine whether it raises medical, ethical, or safety issues that warrant further discussion at one of the RAC's public meetings. An Institutional Review Board (IRB) and an Institutional Biosafety Committee (IBC) must approve each gene therapy clinical trial before it can be carried out. An IRB is a committee of scientific and medical advisors and consumers that reviews all research within an institution. An IBC is a group that reviews and approves an institution's potentially hazardous research studies. Multiple levels of evaluation and oversight ensurethat safety concerns are a top priority in the planning and carrying out of gene therapy research. For more information about the safety and oversight of gene therapy: The Genetic Science Learning Center at the University of Utah explains challenges related to gene therapy (https://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/genetherapy/challenges /). The NIH's Office of Biotechnology Activities provides NIH guidelines for biosafety (https: //osp.od.nih.gov/biotechnology/nih-guidelines/). 4 What are the ethical issues surrounding gene therapy? Because gene therapy involves making changes to the body’s set of basic instructions, itraises many unique ethical concerns. The ethical questions surrounding gene therapy include: • How can “good” and “bad” uses of gene therapy be distinguished? • Who decides which traits are normal and which constitute a disability or disorder? • Will the high costs of gene therapy make it available only to the wealthy? • Could the widespread use of gene therapy make society less accepting of people who are different? • Should people be allowed to use gene therapy to enhance basic human traits such as height, intelligence, or athletic ability? Current gene therapy research has focused on treating individuals by targeting the therapy to body cells such as bone marrow or blood cells. This type of gene therapy cannot be passed to a person’s children. Gene therapy could be targeted to egg and sperm cells (germ cells), however, which would allow the inserted gene to be passed to future generations. This approach is known as germline gene therapy. The idea of germline gene therapy is controversial. While it could spare future generations in a family from having a particular genetic disorder, it might affect the development of a fetus in unexpected ways or have long-term side effects that are not yet known. Because people who would be affected by germline gene therapy are not yetborn, they can’t choose whether to have the treatment. Because of these ethical concerns, the U.S. Government does not allow federal funds to be used for research on germline gene therapy in people. For more information about the ethical issues raised by gene therapy: A debate of the ethics of germline gene therapy (https://www.yourgenome.org/debates/i s-germline-gene-therapy-ethical) is presented by yourgenome.org from the Wellcome Genome Campus. A discussion of the ethics of gene therapy and genetic engineering (https://medicine.mis souri.edu/centers-institutes-labs/health-ethics/faq/gene-therapy) is available from the University of Missouri Center for Health Ethics. 5 Is gene therapy available to treat my disorder? Gene therapy is currently available primarily in a research setting. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved only a limited number of gene therapy productsfor sale in the United States. Hundreds of research studies (clinical trials) are under way to test gene therapy as a treatment for genetic conditions, cancer, and HIV/AIDS. If you are interested in participating in a clinical trial, talk with your doctor or a genetics professional about how to participate. You can also search for clinical trials online. ClinicalTrials.gov, a service of the National Institutes of Health, provides easy access to information about clinical trials. You can search for a specific clinical trial or browse by health condition or sponsor. You may wishto refer to a list of gene therapy clinical trials that are accepting (or will accept) participants. Reprinted from MedlinePlus Genetics (https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/) 7 6 What are mRNA vaccines and how do they work? Vaccines help prepare the body to fight foreign invaders (pathogens such as bacteria or viruses), to prevent infection. All vaccines introduce into the body a harmless piece of a particular bacteria or virus, triggering an immune response. Most vaccines contain a weakened or killed bacteria or virus. However, scientists have developed a new type of vaccine that uses a molecule called messenger RNA (or mRNA for short) rather than part of an actual bacteria or virus. Messenger RNA is a type of RNA that is necessary forprotein production. In cells, mRNA uses the information in genes to create a blueprint for making proteins. Once cells finish making a protein, they quickly break down the mRNA. mRNA from vaccines does not enter the nucleus and does not alter DNA. mRNA vaccines work by introducing a piece of mRNA that corresponds to a viral protein, usually a small piece of a protein found on the virus’s outer membrane. (Individuals who get an mRNA vaccine are not exposed to the virus, nor can they become infected by the vaccine.) Using this mRNA blueprint, cells produce the viral protein. As part of a normal immune response, the immune system recognizes that the protein is foreign and produces specialized proteins called antibodies. Antibodies help protect the body againstinfection by recognizing individual viruses or other pathogens, attaching to them, and marking the pathogens for destruction. Once produced, antibodies remain in the body, even after the body has rid itself of the pathogen, so that the immune system can quickly respond if exposed again. If a person is exposed to a virus after receiving mRNA vaccination for it, antibodies can quickly recognize it, attach to it, and mark it for destruction before it can cause serious illness. Like all vaccines in the United States, mRNA vaccines require authorization from the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) before they can be used. Currently vaccines for COVID-19, the disease caused by the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus, are the only authorizedmRNA vaccines. These vaccines use mRNA that directs cells to produce copies of a protein on the outside of the coronavirus known as the “spike protein”. Researchers are studying how mRNA might be used to develop vaccines for additional infectious diseases. For more information about mRNA vaccines: MedlinePlus offers many additional resources with information about mRNA vaccines, specifically relating to their use in COVID-19 • MedlinePlus: Health Topic: COVID-19 Vaccines (https://medlineplus.gov/covid19va ccines.html) • MedlinePlus: Encyclopedia: COVID-19 vaccines (https://medlineplus.gov/ency/articl e/007775.htm) • MedlinePlus: Drugs and Supplements: COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA (Pfizer-BioNTech) (https://medlineplus.gov/druginfo/meds/a621003.html) • MedlinePlus: Drugs and Supplements: COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA (Moderna) (https |
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SteveG
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Posted: July 31 2021 at 09:23 |
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^ "As far as the conspiracy theorists are concerned, they are a small minority with the loudest voices due to their frustration..."
It's not what you say Mr. Puppy, but the way you say it. Why should anyone read a post that seems to be yelling at people?
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siLLy puPPy
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PSIKE, JRF/Canterbury, P Metal, Eclectic Joined: October 05 2013 Location: SFcaUsA Status: Offline Points: 15278 |
Posted: July 31 2021 at 09:25 |
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Nobody i know is denying that covid is real. In fact Dr David Martin has scoured over 4000 patents and proved it's a bioweapon that with earliest patents dating back as early as 2002. He is working with other doctors and scientists with German legal consultant Reiner Fuellmich to create a massive lawsuit that will hopefully shed some light on the situation. The problem is that these injections were rushed through and they changed the meaning of the word "vaccine" to sneak these injections through without FDA approval. A six minute explanation. There are OTHER treatments available for covid and they have been villified as quackery when they have actually been proven to work. This 6 minute and 20 second video features Dr David Martin, Robert Kennedy Jr, Rocco Galati and Dr Judy Mikovits
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siLLy puPPy
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Calling somebody out on their ignorance about a topic isn't yelling. It's called challenging and if i seem a little fiery it's because i'm seriously tired of watching the world jump into a situation that they have been misled into.
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Shadowyzard
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Joined: February 24 2020 Location: Davutlar Status: Offline Points: 4506 |
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Oh... You said that you agreed with Tapfret, but he actually COMPLAINS about you and CosmicVibration. Is it hard to understand? Your "ascended masters" are schizophrenic. Prophets and stuff. You don't ascend to anywhere that way. There's not a "heavenly" thing. Is it hard to understand? You quote David Icke. He claims that Queen Elizebeth II is reptilian, and shapeshifts to look human whenever she appears in public. Do you really believe this? Do not DARE to say that logical people are misled. Do not challenge reason. I warn you. Edited by Shadowyzard - July 31 2021 at 09:41 |
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Lewian
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@siLLy puPPy: The text you have posted states that Covid-19 vaccines are authorised by the FDA, so what do you mean by "unapproved"?
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Tapfret
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 12 2007 Location: Bryant, Wa Status: Online Points: 8590 |
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^Don't tell me I don't do my research. Its part of my job! Constant continuing education courses are required to maintain licensure and specialization certification. And many of those required hours over the last year directly pertained to C19. My specialty is oncology, when all hands on deck aren't fighting a pandemic. How cancer scrambles your DNA, gene expression etc. is key to understanding and treating patients with the disease. Additionally, one of my foci in microbiology was phage transduction (antibiotic resistance transferred between bacterial cells by viruses, called phages, that infect bacteria, directly altering gene expression within host bacteria through transfer of DNA). I'm not going to tout myself as an expert. There are people out there with layer upon layer of degrees and peer-reviewed research in immunology, the vast majority of whom are onboard with current treatment modalities. But saying "You obviously haven't done your homework either" is not just arrogant and dismissive of my own work and requirements, but the entire medical profession.
Plus, you just posted a source that directly contradicts your assertions. "2 How does gene therapy work? ...A new gene is inserted directly into a cell... 6 What are mRNA vaccines and how do they work? ...mRNA from vaccines does not enter the nucleus and does not alter DNA..." Not gene therapy. End of story! |
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omphaloskepsis
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Are the vaccines FDA approved?
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dr wu23
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