Vittorio Camardese: Best guitarist ever?

Never heard of him.....certainly knows what he's doing...but best guitarist ever based on a 5min clip......nope.

Edited by dr wu23 - July 20 2021 at 14:05

Sone would say Allan, sone would say Paco, some would say Jimmi, sone might Say McLaughlin but he would perhaps say Allan, some might say Jango, or many would enlist Wes Montgomry as the g.o.a.t but i will listen to your video

Edited by Icarium - July 20 2021 at 14:24

Grumpyprogfan wrote: Is this a joke?  The best guitarist ever is Allan Holdsworth. Innovative. Vittorio, nor anyone, will ever be in the same league as Allan.

Then I wouldn't call it a "league". Imagine Manchester United is the only team in EPL. 

As for electric (lead) guitar, I'd say the best is (was) Shawn Lane. Another can say Guthrie Govan, one other can say Yngwie Malmsteen, and so on and so forth... Implying that a guitarist is objectively the best is more of a "joke", actually. There are at least a hundred renowned guitar masters in the world, and all of them have their own peculiar techniques and styles. There should be perhaps more than 10.000 "nameless" guitar masters too.

The guy that the OP shared the video of is surely a master in playing the guitar. I'm impressed. His style should be unusual, could even be unique in the '60s. 

Logan wrote:  I'm agnostic on the matter of who is best and commonly find best/worst statements proclamations inane.

Good for you but, the world awards "best" in all forms. Film, books, Nobel Prize, newspapers, music, sports, chefs, hotels, actors, beaches, airlines. It's an endless ocean of best's. You can call it inane, but others hold it in regard. What's the point of sports if there is no best?

Edited by Grumpyprogfan - July 20 2021 at 15:54

^Thanks Logan, your replies to me usually have a I'm better than you attitude. I certainly don't feel welcome after your lengthy lectures.

Grumpyprogfan wrote: ^Thanks Logan, your replies to me usually have a I'm better than you attitude. I certainly don't feel welcome after your lengthy lectures.

I certainly don't think that I'm better than you or anyone else at this forum. In many ways, I'm much worse than the average (I'm lazy for one thing, and I still sometimes eat meat even though I have ethical issues with that, not saying others should have the same ethics, but since I do and don't need it due to other options available to me...).

That last sentence in my post about the "joke" comes off as snarky, and I'm sorry about that. It provided a certain symmetry that I couldn't resist (I don't believe in free will). I know my communication skills, tact and thoughtfulness need work, as well as my humour. I think a certain apparent arrogance is quite common in forums. I could read your response to Lorenzo as arrogant, and your claim to be arrogant in a way (like I know better than you, what a joke!). You may be a really humble, thoughtful and polite guy (I am in normal social interactions, I think), and I'm not saying that you were being arrogant nor rude. Sometimes the internet seems to bring out the worst in us -- like we act in a way that might seem very bullying, dismissive and rude in regular polite society.

I'm interested in ideas as well as people. I don't mean to lecture, I genuinely am interested in the conversation and what ideas people bring to the table. I've often seen a different perspective and shifted my thoughts on ideas from my discussions with people here, as I think everyone here has interesting insights to make and discoveries to bring to the table. Sadly, you're one of the people here that I have felt more at ease trying to delve into ideas with than various others who I can't engage with at all (maybe cause I'm long-winded or I talk about issue in a more general way which some people take personally).

By the way, I don't even like debate (the kind with winners and losers -- I'm not competitive). I'm always hoping to find common ground with people, a synthesis of ideas, and I'm disappointed when that doesn't happen and sometimes it feels like people are talking past each other rather and building straw men out of other's arguments.

I sincerely wanted to understand where you were coming from. I genuinely wanted to explore your ideas with you, and for you to explore mine. I don't think I have access to truth writ large, which is why I call myself a non-absolutist agnostic.

Sorry you feel that way. I don't mean for you to feel unwelcome.

I actually don't really like forum discussion as much as I once did (some is fun still and there are some here that I feel super comfortable with, including with making an ass out of myself). It's so much easier having discussions in person where you can more easily request clarification, read body language, get to know a person and how they think that much better. I don't really know you, nor you me, and it can be very hard to figure out what that person believes, how the person tends to think, where they are coming from.

I joined another forum a couple of years ago, got bored with this one, and I left because I found the people so argumentative and nitpicky. And people have said to me, I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition.*

*Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.

Anyway, sorry Lorenzo for this sideline. I very much appreciated the track you posted. I won't say who's best, but it's clearly an accomplished and interesting guitarist.

By the way, please call me Greg (I prefer that to Logan). With your permission I will call you Will.

EDIT: The really sad thing is, that wasn't me trying to lecture you (in the way I think of a lecture, at least). Mostly my intent was trying better to explain my position and related thoughts (while also better trying to understand where you are coming from). I used to teach, and I'm not really enthusiastic about trying to educate people. I do hope to be informative, and love to be informed by others. I wish I was better at writing shorter posts, but saying much (of substance) in few words takes a kind of genius that I altogether lack (unless I spend a long time editing, and I prefer to write more extemporaneously here -- that feels less like work). I didn't want to tell you what you should think, but instead explain what I think (and better understand where you are coming from). I didn't want to lecture, merely express my thoughts in quite an informal manner. I would do better if I had to present a lecture. This has been my conversational style, annoying though it may be to many. If it seems I made any poor assertions or assumptions, or was unduly uncharitable or unreasonable, I sincerely apologise.

Edited by Logan - July 20 2021 at 22:04

@Greg

This time my title was a joke: I have found many comments on YouTube about this unknown guitarist, they say: Eddie Van Halen wasn't the inventor of "Tapping" It was Vittorio Camardese in 1965!

Who knows Vittorio Camardese?

And here's to you the title: best guitarist ever?