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dr wu23 
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Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20637 |
 Posted: July 09 2021 at 22:07 |
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It's odd the people that say they had reactions to their shots....my wife and I are old folks and we felt nothing after either shot...Pfizer. And most of the people I know had no significant effects either. A few had a headache fatigue, etc but nothing much.
Regarding those who are against the vaccine for 'freedom of choice and liberty' reasons. ..well..I guess dying to prove you're free is worth it to them.
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chopper
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20030 |
Posted: July 10 2021 at 05:19 |
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Why is it odd? I know people who have had bad reactions, particularly to the AZ vaccine.
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nick_h_nz
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Prog Metal / Heavy Prog Team Joined: March 01 2013 Location: Suffolk, UK Status: Offline Points: 6737 |
Posted: July 10 2021 at 07:02 |
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^ I don’t think it’s odd at all.
I suspect that there is a relationship between how badly affected by side effects people are, and how badly they were affected/would have been affected by the virus itself. Anecdotal, I know, but everyone I know that had the virus and suffered only mildly (no worse than the common cold) had no side effects from their vaccines. Those I know who didn’t fare so well with covid, appear to be the ones who have suffered after one or other of their jabs. So, in my mind, it isn’t much of a stretch to think that if you suffered no ill effects from the vaccine, you are one of those who wouldn’t have suffered greatly if you’d actually caught the virus. And, conversely, if you did react badly to the vaccine, you’d probably not have had a good time if you did have covid. Personally, I had approximately 48 hours of feeling like complete and utter crap after my first (AZ) jab. The biggest difference between how bad I felt after my jab, and when I had covid, was that I didn’t have any struggle to breathe after the vaccine. But otherwise, it was a very comparable feeling. Any vaccine causes different degrees of reaction between people, so it’s certainly not odd for some people to have no side effects from the covid vaccine(s), and others to be laid quite low. |
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nick_h_nz
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Prog Metal / Heavy Prog Team Joined: March 01 2013 Location: Suffolk, UK Status: Offline Points: 6737 |
Posted: July 10 2021 at 07:21 |
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I guess it depends what you mean by worse. Susceptibility and mortality present two quite different statistics to look at. I remember learning in science at high school about the basic nature of viruses. Any novel virus tends to be fairly deadly, but in order for a virus to thrive it mutates to become more contagious, but less deadly. It is extraordinarily rare for a virus mutation to be more deadly. Thus, it comes as no great surprise that the virus has already mutated more than once, and that each successive mutation has appeared to be far more contagious than the previous. But the mortality rate kd the mutations is not as great. It might not appear that way, because deaths are still incredibly high in places where the virus is rampant - but that’s because a greater number of people have the virus. I think this is why the UK government have decided to go for herd immunity **in the under-18 population** (an important distinction, that a lot of people seem to be missing). The UK have judged that, medically, that's actually preferable to giving vaccines that only have emergency authorisation to under-18s, and that seems a reasonable decision to come to. And by removing restrictions now, they are ensuring the third wave will hit before winter, when it would be far worse. That's what the "now is a better time than the Autumn" discussion was about. Every epidemic has an “exit wave”, and it always about managing that, (Arguably they shouldn't have delayed until 19th July, but the outcry would have been even bigger, from those who don’t read beyond the headlines, or who listen to what some bloke on the Internet said, rather than epidemiologists and similar specialists.) The official figures for protection from the “stronger” Delta variant with both jabs of Pfizer and AZ are 96% and 92% respectively. That's a massive reduction in susceptibility, and in epidemic modelling, susceptibility is the first and most crucial element. This is why vaccination - particularly with the success rates of these actual vaccines - is such a game changer. This is why our death figures are so low now. Most of the people being hospitalised are un- or partially vaccinated, and much younger. There are now more under-55s in hospital with Covid than over-54s. I know some doctors are expressing doubts about this, but it’s not because they are worried about young people being in hospital, so much as NHS are exhausted and drained, and the inevitable third/exit wave is going to stretch them again. But if this works, then it will still be better to have this happen before winter as, despite expected hospitalisations, it is expected that very few deaths will result, and it won’t coincide with the normal uplift in workload over winter, I keep seeing a lot of people going on about a third wave being inevitable, which is kind of dumb, because the government know that, and have planned for that, hence the timing. I’m no fan of the UK government, and it would be very rare of me to suggest they’ve got something right, but in this instance they do appear to have taken advice and the plan seems sensible. The third wave, when it comes, will not result in mass hospitalisation, and is likely to result in less loss of life than the average flu season. The problem is now, that for so long at the beginning, people were told not to compare covid with flu, because it was so deadly in comparison. But with the vaccines as successful as they have been (and far more so than expected), the mortality rate for covid will be less than seasonal flu. So now, it is worth comparing the two, but the damage has been done, and now any loss of life is being seen as one too many. Which is true, to a certain extent, but people accept it for flu, so they’re now going to have to learn to accept it for covid. The UK government are a bunch of self-serving W⚓️S, that have no morals, and care only about their wealth and that of their cronies. I can’t stand any of them, because I’m a woke leftie snowflake, but I can’t help but think they have made the right choice here. |
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essexboyinwales
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Joined: April 27 2015 Location: Bridgend Status: Offline Points: 5168 |
Posted: July 12 2021 at 08:41 |
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I can't argue with any of this excellent summation!
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Shadowyzard
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Joined: February 24 2020 Location: Davutlar Status: Offline Points: 4506 |
Posted: July 16 2021 at 08:09 |
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Got my second dose of the BioNTech vaccine a couple of hours ago. Interestingly, not even a tingle this time.
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JD
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Joined: February 07 2009 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18446 |
Posted: July 16 2021 at 08:19 |
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^Just so you know, the symptoms don't manifest themselves immediately. Mostly, it's the next day that people feel like 5hit. So...stand by, or rather lay by.
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Shadowyzard
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Posted: July 16 2021 at 08:28 |
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Yeah. But the aching feeling manifested itself immediately after getting my first dose. This time it didn't happen. |
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CosmicVibration
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Joined: February 26 2014 Location: Milky Way Status: Offline Points: 1396 |
Posted: July 16 2021 at 12:52 |
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Most at my place of employment have been vaccinated with the mRNA technology. Side effects varied but were mostly mild. Few had harsher side effects which included very high fever but nothing as severe as Eric Clapton reported. One guy said he felt like superman after the second shot. For about 20 seconds he felt like he could literally lift a car. My guess is that the jab triggered an adrenal rush.. Since there is no data on long term side effects, it’s unclear what will happen long term. I’m hoping nothing but nobody knows for sure. There has to be a control group and I’m volunteering. |
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SteveG
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Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20616 |
Posted: July 16 2021 at 12:59 |
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Southern pro Trumpers who refused vaccinations are approaching pandemic levels now. I suppose that's one way to get Republicans to stop voting.
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siLLy puPPy
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PSIKE, JRF/Canterbury, P Metal, Eclectic Joined: October 05 2013 Location: SFcaUsA Status: Online Points: 15285 |
Posted: July 16 2021 at 13:43 |
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Do you really believe that refusing a vaccination has anything to do with politics? Oh dear!
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Tapfret
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 12 2007 Location: Bryant, Wa Status: Offline Points: 8592 |
Posted: July 16 2021 at 14:12 |
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My vaccines completely failed. My house keys and hand tools won't stick to me at all! They just fall to the ground!
Preposterous! |
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siLLy puPPy
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Posted: July 16 2021 at 14:25 |
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Silly toad. That feature doesn't work for amphibians!
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CosmicVibration
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Joined: February 26 2014 Location: Milky Way Status: Offline Points: 1396 |
Posted: July 16 2021 at 17:21 |
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Why would those that already had Covid-19 sign up for an experimental gene therapy? |
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Lewian
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Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 14898 |
Posted: July 16 2021 at 17:45 |
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Surely it has. Much of it is fuelled by mistrust in whatever government or establishment recommends vaccination.
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siLLy puPPy
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Posted: July 16 2021 at 19:47 |
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In many cases i'm sure but not necessarily the case. There are many of us who refuse vaccinations based on science alone. BTW, these latest injections aren't even vaccines in the traditional sense. They literally had to change the definition of "vaccine" to push through the emergency declaration. None have been FDA approved here in the US.
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siLLy puPPy
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Posted: July 16 2021 at 19:49 |
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Exactly! That's exactly what it is. Anyone who takes these experimental injections are technically genetically modified organisms. That means they are literally owned by patents. At least their newly re-engineered genetic makeup.
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progaardvark
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Posted: July 18 2021 at 13:23 |
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The e-mails between all my organs are now functioning much better since I had the vaccine. My bladder actually sent me it's very first report and it was about Millard Fillmore. I can also put both my legs in my pants at the same time, whereas before I used to do one leg at a time. Who wants to fall into the toilet while putting on pants? I can also smell things in a 360 degree region extending out several kilometers. I can smell people farting in the next county. I'm going to get monthly boosters because I want to smell the farts coming out of Canada.
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CosmicVibration
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Joined: February 26 2014 Location: Milky Way Status: Offline Points: 1396 |
Posted: July 22 2021 at 10:05 |
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The preposterous Covid-19 madness is that people’s freedoms
and rights are being trampled on; far worse than after 9/11’s patriot act. From the very beginning of the pandemic professionals with
credentials were mocked, silenced and censored if they did not follow the
narrative of where the virus originated from.
A year later it seems more than likely that it did originate in a lab. Peer-reviewed science continues to be censored and
blocked. Does Silicon Valley and the
executives at Google know more than the PhDs they are censoring? Should they have the power to block anyone’s
free speech? Vaccine passports? Segregation and creating second class citizens is effed up. Many colleges, workplaces, venues already
require proof of vaccination. Not even a
consideration for those that have natural immunity. In some place’s children can be vaccinated without parental
consent or knowledge. In Philadelphia no
parental consent is needed to inject an experimental non-FDA approved gene
therapy into a 12-year-old. This is
absurd! Here’s a scary scenario… Vaccine passports proliferate and
create second class citizens. Trump runs
for office again, promises to battle the segregation and exclusion. I would have to do the unthinkable and vote
for the Orange Orangutan. I’m sure many
would feel the same way, switch sides, and the country gets 4 more years of
Trump. |
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CosmicVibration
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Joined: February 26 2014 Location: Milky Way Status: Offline Points: 1396 |
Posted: July 27 2021 at 08:00 |
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Coronavirus
patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected
during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against
COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry. Health Ministry data
on the wave of COVID outbreaks which began this May show that Israelis with
immunity from natural infection were far less likely to become infected again
in comparison to Israelis who only had immunity via vaccination. More than 7,700
new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting
in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were
known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762 |
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