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Poll Question: Do you consider the current lineup of Yes to really be Yes?
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

No. When you're relegated to playing on cruise ships after playing in stadiums, you are for all intents and purposes a cover band. What's next, bowling allies, weddings and Bar Mitzvahs?

Not sure I agree with this. It's not like they are in a bar on the ship somewhere playing Yes songs & disco covers. Yes IS the central point of the cruse, not some side show. I don't know how many prog bands from that era could still fill a stadium. Genesis, Floyd & Rush,  if they were still touring? That's about it I think. 
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Originally posted by Argo2112 Argo2112 wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

No. When you're relegated to playing on cruise ships after playing in stadiums, you are for all intents and purposes a cover band. What's next, bowling allies, weddings and Bar Mitzvahs?

Not sure I agree with this. It's not like they are in a bar on the ship somewhere playing Yes songs & disco covers. Yes IS the central point of the cruse, not some side show. I don't know how many prog bands from that era could still fill a stadium. Genesis, Floyd & Rush,  if they were still touring? That's about it I think. 

There are none that can do what those mentioned. At least none can do "An Evening With....." Many will do festivals but that does not count in my book. The closest I think would be some prog-related like Iron Maiden that can fill a stadium and put on a massive show like they do. I can't think of a single prog band that can do what Rush did recently with their massive productions.....

So maybe a bowling alley is appropriate.......LOL Heck Neil Morse here in Seattle has been playing at a dinner theater. I won't go to those as you buy a seat at a dinner table with other people.....so wrong.
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They're a third rate tribute band of the band they used to be.
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Imagine if the band was actually called No. Then the question would give a lot of people headache.
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Well, I guess if they are making albums and touring with the name, then they are Yes. But I certanly would prefer that Jon Anderson and rick Wakeman were with them. And that they got another bass player... not so much for his bass playing skills, but because of his input... even though there are some things he has been involved with that I like (though not love), and there's just about nothing that I actually hate, there's just about nothing from Sherwood that I do love, and whatever he touches has a sort of tired quality to it, for lack of a better work to describe it... and it mostly involves to vocals production.
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^ well said Dellinger---actually thought the line-up-when Squire was still alive --with Benoit and Wakeman (the son) was pretty good. Didn't think it was possible to replace Jon's voice---but Benoit was respectable 
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Indeed, that line-up should have been the way to go for the future of the band. Perhaps they could just have had Downes as a guest for the Fly From Here suite on that album, given how he was originally involved in it's creation in the 80's, but not kick Oliver out for him, and so getting at odds with Rick too.
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I NEVER dreamed I would walk out of a Yes concert.  I saw them double billed with Toto in 2014 or 2015.
Toto released their INCREDIBLY GOOD Toto XIV album.  Chris Squire just passed away and this was a tour for Heaven & Earth (I believe).  

Toto played a MIND BLOWING incredible show and the songs from the XIV album were AMAZING.  Their show ended and Yes came out and did the solemn tribute to the late great Chris Squire with his bass on the stage in the spotlight.  Then "Yes" took the stage and it was TERRIBLE.  Couldn't hear the keyboards at all and Jon Davison sounded like a flat Mickey Mouse.  The energy just got sucked out of the venue.  I got up and left completely disappointed. There were a lot of lifelong Yes fans walking out behind me muttering, "This is not Yes".  I never knew seeing Yes live could ruin everything.  This edition of Yes is not Yes.  To me it seems like an ego-vehicle for Steve Howe.  Jon Anderson and his ARW whatever is probably a much better show.

Oh yeah, and I feel that anything Billy Sherwood touches is boring.  He DOES suck the life out of everything.


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I'd have been happy with seeing almost any lineup WITH Squire, if I were able to catch them before his passing. One of my biggest regrets is never seeing my bass hero live, alive. They came to my actual town a couple of times between 2011-2015, as well. RIP!

The new line-up is the furthest it's ever felt, disregarding the above. 

White and Howe are the only two alumni remaining IIRC?

Does it really happen (pun intended)? Yes.

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Just another rock tribute band, limping along with a single founding member. 

The Foghat of prog. 
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Just another rock tribute band, limping along with a single founding member. 

The Foghat of prog. 



Would you say it's been a Slow Ride for Yes, as of late? Wink

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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Just another rock tribute band, limping along with a single founding member. 

The Foghat of prog. 



Would you say it's been a Slow Ride for Yes, as of late? Wink

Well, they keep on chugging out the records!  (BTW, I loved the original Foghat, Rod Price was the best slide guitarist of his era)
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Just another rock tribute band


It would have been fair to call them a tribute band if they just had continued to tour and record live albums, but now that they are finally recording new, original material that's a different story.
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Just another rock tribute band, limping along with a single founding member. 

The Foghat of prog. 


There are no founding members in Yes now.
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Just another rock tribute band, limping along with a single founding member. 

The Foghat of prog. 


There are no founding members in Yes now.


Why put emphasis on the original line-up? That line-up only did two albums, and most fans agree that the band's best albums were made by later configurations of the band. Few could deny that Howe, Wakeman, and White are at least as important Yes members as Peter Banks, Tony Kaye, and Bill Bruford.



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Originally posted by SouthSideoftheSky SouthSideoftheSky wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Just another rock tribute band, limping along with a single founding member. 

The Foghat of prog. 


There are no founding members in Yes now.


Why put emphasis on the original line-up? That line-up only did two albums, and most fans agree that the band's best albums were made by later configurations of the band. Few could deny that Howe, Wakeman, and White are at least as important Yes members as Peter Banks, Tony Kaye, and Bill Bruford.

I'm not denying the importance of any of the members, I was just pointing out an error, Howe is not a founding member. It's possible he meant to say "without" anyway.
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I checked 'I Don't Know'.   I saw Yes in Las Vegas around 2017 (a week after attending the 'Psycho Las Vegas' festival, and seeing the most incredible Magma performance on the same stage at the Hard Rock Cafe).

It was a decent concert; they went thru tunes from all the past albums.  I thought Howe took the reins nicely, and I don't mind the singer.   Still, it wasn't nearly the same as past Yes concerts.  Would be nice if Wakeman and Anderson could have just been there.  Plus, poor White looked terrible, could barely play and had to leave the stage a couple times to be replaced.  

The "openers" at this concert were at least just as good (though they got less time on stage).  Carl Palmer was amazing, and Todd Rundgren was cool to watch on stage with his dancing ladies, even though he didn't play anything really 'proggy'.
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I've had chances to see Yes since the early '80s and refused every time for the same reason, "That ain't Yes."  
I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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Originally posted by zwordser zwordser wrote:

I checked 'I Don't Know'.   I saw Yes in Las Vegas around 2017 (a week after attending the 'Psycho Las Vegas' festival, and seeing the most incredible Magma performance on the same stage at the Hard Rock Cafe).

It was a decent concert; they went thru tunes from all the past albums.  I thought Howe took the reins nicely, and I don't mind the singer.   Still, it wasn't nearly the same as past Yes concerts.  Would be nice if Wakeman and Anderson could have just been there.  Plus, poor White looked terrible, could barely play and had to leave the stage a couple times to be replaced.  

The "openers" at this concert were at least just as good (though they got less time on stage).  Carl Palmer was amazing, and Todd Rundgren was cool to watch on stage with his dancing ladies, even though he didn't play anything really 'proggy'.

I've posted about this before, but I also saw them in 2017. In Reno, NV actually, on a whim while I was visiting my grandma, so we probably saw them within a few days of each other! I wasn't too impressed. Howe could barely play Yours is No Disgrace even while they dragged. I saw ARW the next year at The Greek Theatre in LA, and it was MUCH more fun.
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Of course but I'm not finding the general disrespect for Jon Davison very palatable if I'm honest. He's a talented guy and did some excellent stuff in Glass Hammer. By all means dislike Yes as it stands but is there a real reason to by so nasty and immature (some posters only admittedly).

ARW was obviously much better, I can't listen to any Yes live performances post about 2001 and when I last saw them about 2004/5 they were very creaky even then. band got old. End of story.
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