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Poll Question: Do you consider the current lineup of Yes to really be Yes?
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Originally posted by SouthSideoftheSky SouthSideoftheSky wrote:

I do have high hopes that The Quest will be better than Heaven & Earth Tongue

Not setting your hopes too high then! LOL

I'm sure there are bands around that have no original members but still go around with the same name. I guess it depends on who has legal rights to the name but you do get some stupid situations like Wishbone Ash when there are 2 bands with the same name knocking around.
I have no problems if they call themselves Yes but I reserve the right to not buy their CDs now.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote JD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2021 at 05:09
So I have this car I bought in the 70's. It was a very reliable vehicle...until it wasn't. I started to replace the parts that weren't working anymore. After almost 50 years of replacing parts, sometimes with cheaper knockoffs, can I say it's the same car? Sure it has the same name, but not much else that truly ties it to that classic vehicle I once had.
(It's a metaphor by the way)

It's a band called Yes...but it is NOT Yes.
If they're so confident in their efforts they should rebrand and relaunch.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote chopper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2021 at 05:14
Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

So I have this car I bought in the 70's. It was a very reliable vehicle...until it wasn't. I started to replace the parts that weren't working anymore. After almost 50 years of replacing parts, sometimes with cheaper knockoffs, can I say it's the same car? Sure it has the same name, but not much else that truly ties it to that classic vehicle I once had.
(It's a metaphor by the way)

It's a band called Yes...but it is NOT Yes.
If they're so confident in their efforts they should rebrand and relaunch.
Yeah, it's Trigger's Broom, but at what point did stop becoming the original car you bought?
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It all depends on the material. I finally got around to hearing Open Your Eyes a while back. Anderson present for that precursor to Heaven And Earth where he wasn't.

Things is classic Yes is involving and not particularly accessible but destination is worth the journey.

Usually.

So from time to time things don't go so well. I hope they do this time. But they need that combo of inspiring imagination and excitement not make me wonder what Journey are doing.

I think Yes is required to be an effective creative force or a tribute band releasing albums of the recent past in concert. I know Squire wanted yes to be the like the Berlin Philly but this is different. With the recording era the old records become the new records to new listeners.

Emotional energy not brain dead lethargy.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote JD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2021 at 05:54
Actually, it's the ship of Thesus paradox, but I thought that might have been a little obscure for some so I put it in more contemporary terms. To-mate-toe, To-mott-toe.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Manuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2021 at 07:15
Personally I think is quite a different band from the one we love and treasure but, who am I to say if they are or not Yes?
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Nope . . .
Welcome to the middle of the film.
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"Sherwood has been very prolific, they probably couldn't have written a new album without him."

yeah he has --problem is none of it high quality---he's been with the band forever and all the albums he had anything to do with are not memorable. Cant make great Yes with lots of mediocrity.
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Originally posted by Sacro_Porgo Sacro_Porgo wrote:

Originally posted by SouthSideoftheSky SouthSideoftheSky wrote:

Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

^ The pedigree is not the problem. The music they make is.

The OP seems to be saying that this line-up is someone not classic enough. I understand the view that they are too old and would better retire, but not classic enough is ridiculous.

 

If Alan White were fully there and if Geoff Downes had stuck around for even 90125, that would feel more like Yes to me. As it stands, Sherwood and Davidson are standing in place of Squire and Anderson, Downes had more impact on Asia's career than Yes', and White is being supplemented by the extra drummer they take on tour with them, leaving only Howe both fully there and having Yes as his main gig. Someone above said they've seen both Yes and ARW recently and ARW felt more like Yes. I haven't seen either, but Anderson and Wakeman don't need defending, and Rabin was there for many years during the most commercially successful part of Yes' career as an influential part of the band. I can see how that would feel more like Yes than Steve Howe and three and a half guys who've more or less jumped on the bandwagon.


I did see ARW live, and I do consider them to be Yes as well. With such a long and complex band history, there can be more than one Yes at the same time. The more Yes-es the better Wink Sadly, ARW never got around to recording a studio album.

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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by SouthSideoftheSky SouthSideoftheSky wrote:

I do have high hopes that The Quest will be better than Heaven & Earth Tongue

Not setting your hopes too high then! LOL


No, not really. But it is a brand new studio Yes album, so of course I will buy it Embarrassed

I have all of their albums, and will not hesitate to add this new one to my collection as soon as it is out.

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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by SouthSideoftheSky SouthSideoftheSky wrote:

I do have high hopes that The Quest will be better than Heaven & Earth Tongue

Not setting your hopes too high then! LOL

I'm sure there are bands around that have no original members but still go around with the same name. I guess it depends on who has legal rights to the name but you do get some stupid situations like Wishbone Ash when there are 2 bands with the same name knocking around.
I have no problems if they call themselves Yes but I reserve the right to not buy their CDs now.
The one that comes to mind is Foreigner.......We saw them in summer 2019 (I also saw Foreigner back in '82), although it was a great show because it was a setlist of hit song after hit song, not a single musician is from the original lineup. Mick Jones only shows up for the big shows, everyone else in the current band joined in the early 2000s. Essentially it is a cover band now.......You are going to see a bunch of great musicians playing songs they had nothing to do with originally.......so yea I voted NO. 


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Less is more, or yes is no... that is the question.  WouldIwas Shookspeared
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Where is the poll choice for "maybe"? Confused
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


Where is the poll choice for "maybe"? Confused


Wouldn’t “I don’t know “ cover that?
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Simple! No Squire No Yes

Not even maybe!

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Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe was Yes in all but name, and the album they did sounds totally like Yes to me. Yet they did that without Squire.

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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by SouthSideoftheSky SouthSideoftheSky wrote:

I do have high hopes that The Quest will be better than Heaven & Earth Tongue

Not setting your hopes too high then! LOL

I'm sure there are bands around that have no original members but still go around with the same name. I guess it depends on who has legal rights to the name but you do get some stupid situations like Wishbone Ash when there are 2 bands with the same name knocking around.
I have no problems if they call themselves Yes but I reserve the right to not buy their CDs now.
The one that comes to mind is Foreigner.......We saw them in summer 2019 (I also saw Foreigner back in '82), although it was a great show because it was a setlist of hit song after hit song, not a single musician is from the original lineup. Mick Jones only shows up for the big shows, everyone else in the current band joined in the early 2000s. Essentially it is a cover band now.......You are going to see a bunch of great musicians playing songs they had nothing to do with originally.......so yea I voted NO. 

Wait I thought it was the other way around, where Mick Jones only didn't show up like a couple of times and otherwise he's usually there... that's dang embarrassing. That's not Foreigner.
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Originally posted by SouthSideoftheSky SouthSideoftheSky wrote:


Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe was Yes in all but name, and the album they did sounds totally like Yes to me. Yet they did that without Squire.


I think that proves that it doesn't really come down to any one member. The combination of players has to be good enough. I'd say at the time ABWH was a thing, both bands had a lineup I'd say is probably good enough to be Yes (hence Union). What one group lacked in Jon Anderson the other lacked in Chris Squire, and both featured mostly members from the classic run. 
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 I went and saw them a few years ago just after Chris had passed away.  I was an OK show but without Anderson, Squire & Wakeman it's just not the same. 
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No. When you're relegated to playing on cruise ships after playing in stadiums, you are for all intents and purposes a cover band. What's next, bowling allies, weddings and Bar Mitzvahs?
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