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    Posted: July 30 2023 at 07:53
Moribund the Burgermeister used to scare me when I was a kid.

My favourite Peter Gabriel album, Solsbury Hill is just sublime. Smile
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Peter Gabriel I isn't my favorite album from Gabriel, but is nevertheless a great solo debut album. "Solsbury Hill" is one of my favorite songs of all time. "Moribund the Burgermeister" is very Genesis-y and theatrical; I love it. "Humdrum" is an underrated Peter Gabriel song, and the Plays Live version is even better in my opinion. The rest of the album is a bit weak for me. That's not to say I don't like any of the other songs. I much prefer the stripped down version of "Here Comes the Flood" with just piano and vocals over the grandiose version that's found on this album. I would probably rate this album three stars.


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Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

Great album. I was very confused when this was released. Didn't like it. At all. But it has aged very well - much better than the follow-up...

Interesting, I wasn't really keen on PG2 when it first came out but I like it a lot more now, I might even give it a listen now.
PG1 is a solid 4 star album for me, but I would rate PG4 as his best.
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PG always had some 'different' ideas about production. He needed to distance himself from the polished sound of Genesis and he did that perfectly. Cars is chock full of great songs my favourite Down The Dolce Vita where he even cleverly stole (or borrowed) some of Genesis pomposity and did it better than them!!
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I saw Peter Gabriel live at the Glasgow Apollo in '77 and thought it a superb show. From memory (probably now faulty) Tony Levin was on bass and someone told me that Robert Fripp played guitar but from off stage?
I bought the album shortly afterwards but found it a very uneven release and (hear) no cause to change my mind 44 years hence. In mitigation, Solsbury Hill and Here Comes the Flood remain two of the finest songs in Peter's solo career to date. His next three albums were better but differentiating between them in discussion by having to use Car, Scratch, Melt & Security just becomes irritating and yet another instance of PG's fondness for being willfully opaque. Even Fripp wasn't overly keen on Bob Ezrin's production:
I do not like the first album’s production at all. It is vulgar, it lacks subtlety, it is too American and, most of all, it totally misses the essence of Peter Gabriel
(This rodent has to agree and the album would scrape into 3 star status by virtue of about 4 songs)



Oh I recall agreeing about the production. After putting out some intensely well produced albums with Genesis, and prior to putting out some (arguably more) intensely well produced solo albums, Car feels very out of place. Instruments don't tend to gel with each other, drums don't tend to feel of a piece with guitars and pianos and vocals. And that barbershop quartet is quite loud.
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^ The poor sales of Hot Streets might have had something to do with it being Chicago's first disco album. Smile

I'll grant you I've never heard it myself and can't attest to its disco-ness anymore than I can my own view on its quality. However I will say Wikipedia doesn't seem to agree that sales were poor, unless you're comparing them to sales of their previous albums.

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"The album was released in October 1978, preceded by a release of the lead single "Alive Again".  Hot Streets was another hit for the group, who had been concerned that the public might not accept them without Kath. Although the album went platinum, and Chicago scored a second top-twenty hit with "No Tell Lover", Hot Streets was the first Chicago album since their debut that failed to reach the US Top 10; fittingly, the band's twelfth album peaked at #12."

#12 instead of making the top ten, sure that's disappointing, but it did still go platinum. I think it's more in hindsight that it's been looked poorly upon, or at least the opinion that it isn't good didn't become the majority opinion until much later. But anyway all I meant to say was that it doesn't feel like much of a coincidence to me that Chicago's most often derided album also happens to be the only one where they fully ditched the number thing.
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I saw Peter Gabriel live at the Glasgow Apollo in '77 and thought it a superb show. From memory (probably now faulty) Tony Levin was on bass and someone told me that Robert Fripp played guitar but from off stage?
I bought the album shortly afterwards but found it a very uneven release and (hear) no cause to change my mind 44 years hence. In mitigation, Solsbury Hill and Here Comes the Flood remain two of the finest songs in Peter's solo career to date. His next three albums were better but differentiating between them in discussion by having to use Car, Scratch, Melt & Security just becomes irritating and yet another instance of PG's fondness for being willfully opaque. Even Fripp wasn't overly keen on Bob Ezrin's production:
I do not like the first album’s production at all. It is vulgar, it lacks subtlety, it is too American and, most of all, it totally misses the essence of Peter Gabriel
(This rodent has to agree and the album would scrape into 3 star status by virtue of about 4 songs)




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Probably my favorite by him but I haven't heard it in a long time. 
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You could have titled most of those Chicago albums anything you'd like. They still would have sucked.
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^ The poor sales of Hot Streets might have had something to do with it being Chicago's first disco album. Smile
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

On the subject of boring, unimaginative album titles, Chicago surely wins the award for the most of all. Smile



Well someone had to do it. I think after the first two or three they realized nobody cared what they called their album, so they made a tradition out of it. It should also be no surprise that Hot Streets is widely regarded as one of their worst releases.
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Peter Gabriel's first four albums may have sold more copies if he'd come up with a proper title for them, just as his record company was urging. Smile

Doubtful. People rarely buy albums for the titles. If anything more people were aware of the albums BECAUSE he didn’t title them. I know the first I was aware of Peter Gabriel was because he’d just released ANOTHER untitled album.


Led Zeppelin did the same thing, and it didn't seem to have an adverse effects on their career.
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On the subject of boring, unimaginative album titles, Chicago surely wins the award for the most of all. Smile
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

By the way, Peter Gabriel's "So" album was his best-selling album, which also happened to be his first album with a proper title, if you can call it that. Smile

It was also his most commercial album, with videos on MTV. So there's that. 
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I love the car album. It's certainly my favourite PG album. I also saw him on his first solo tour.
In fact my enjoyment of his work reduced with each album. I do realise I'm in a minority. The So album though his biggest seller was my last PG purchase.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Peter Gabriel's first four albums may have sold more copies if he'd come up with a proper title for them, just as his record company was urging. Smile

Doubtful. People rarely buy albums for the titles. If anything more people were aware of the albums BECAUSE he didn’t title them. I know the first I was aware of Peter Gabriel was because he’d just released ANOTHER untitled album.


Agreed. The best example was when Atlantic record execs were having seizures about Led Zeppelin releasing an album that was not only untitled, but one that had no reference to the band at all -- even on the album spine. They called it "professional suicide". Naturally, Led Zeppelin IV rose to #1 in a week of release in the UK, and went on to sell over 37 million copies worldwide.
But that didn't deter how the record execs think. With an album title and band identification, they that the album would have sold twice that amount. LOL

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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Peter Gabriel's first four albums may have sold more copies if he'd come up with a proper title for them, just as his record company was urging. Smile

Doubtful. People rarely buy albums for the titles. If anything more people were aware of the albums BECAUSE he didn’t title them. I know the first I was aware of Peter Gabriel was because he’d just released ANOTHER untitled album.

I didn't buy any albums at the time of release by Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin or Peter Gabriel, mainly because of the unimaginative album "titles". Maybe I'm just shallow. Tongue

By the way, Peter Gabriel's "So" album was his best-selling album, which also happened to be his first album with a proper title, if you can call it that. Smile
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Peter Gabriel's first four albums may have sold more copies if he'd come up with a proper title for them, just as his record company was urging. Smile

Doubtful. People rarely buy albums for the titles. If anything more people were aware of the albums BECAUSE he didn’t title them. I know the first I was aware of Peter Gabriel was because he’d just released ANOTHER untitled album.


Agreed. The best example was when Atlantic record execs were having seizures about Led Zeppelin releasing an album that was not only untitled, but one that had no reference to the band at all -- even on the album spine. They called it "professional suicide". Naturally, Led Zeppelin IV rose to #1 in a week of release in the UK, and went on to sell over 37 million copies worldwide.
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Peter Gabriel's first four albums may have sold more copies if he'd come up with a proper title for them, just as his record company was urging. Smile

Doubtful. People rarely buy albums for the titles. If anything more people were aware of the albums BECAUSE he didn’t title them. I know the first I was aware of Peter Gabriel was because he’d just released ANOTHER untitled album.
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