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Originally posted by jude111 jude111 wrote:

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At least Phillip does a better job singing that song.......
I suppose if you were tone deaf, you might think that. That one is out of Phil's range.

seriously? He hit every note. He effortlessly and seamlessly slid into falsetto a couple of times to do that - no small feat - but his tone was dead-on every time.

I don't recall Paul McCartney having to "slip into falsetto a couple times" to hit notes (actually more than a couple). Can you point them out? LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

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Originally posted by jude111 jude111 wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

I was just trying to keep this thread going and I succeeded.  I love Phil's first two albums and his cover of You Can't Hurry Love is great. Ok, continue the discussion.

This is really well and truly great: Phil Collins' cover of this Beatles classic, with George Martin in the production seat:



 


 


Nice, and a perfect for post for the biggest Beatle fan on PA Catcher10.
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At least Phillip does a better job singing that song.......

Good. Phil can count on you getting his forthcoming album of Beatles covers. On vinyl of course.
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Phil Collins singing Beatles songs may be the only way you get me to listen to them! LOL
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Some Beatles covers can be very good. Did you ever hear the Styx cover of I Am The Walrus?
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Some Beatles covers can be very good. Did you ever hear the Styx cover of I Am The Walrus?

That's from their covers album, Big Bang Theory. I don't usually go for those, and I'm one of the "no Dennis, no Styx" guys. But one of these days, I will listen to The Mission, because I understand they made a good concept album, and I do like Gowan as a singer.
 


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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

I don't recall Paul McCartney having to "slip into falsetto a couple times" to hit notes (actually more than a couple). Can you point them out? LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL

I can think of numerous times offhand when McCartney sang in falsetto to reach higher notes - Hey Jude, Maybe I'm Amazed, Check My Machine, My Love, Helter Skelter.

Singers use falsetto all the time. It's actually a quite desirable and pleasant tool to have, although it takes skill and talent to pull off - which both McCartney and Collins were able to do.


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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Some Beatles covers can be very good. Did you ever hear the Styx cover of I Am The Walrus?

That's from their covers album, Big Bang Theory. I don't usually go for those, and I'm one of the "no Dennis, no Styx" guys. But one of these days, I will listen to The Mission, because I understand they made a good concept album, and I do like Gowan as a singer.
 


I listened to the whole album and wasn't impressed but the Walrus blew my mind. So, covers are not my thing either.
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Originally posted by jude111 jude111 wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

I don't recall Paul McCartney having to "slip into falsetto a couple times" to hit notes (actually more than a couple). Can you point them out? LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL


I can think of numerous times offhand when McCartney sang in falsetto to reach higher notes - Hey Jude, Maybe I'm Amazed, Check My Machine, My Love, Helter Skelter.

Singers use falsetto all the time. It's actually a quite desirable and pleasant tool to have, although it takes skill and talent to pull off - which both McCartney and Collins were able to do.



Singing in a higher register and singing in a falsetto are not really the same. Falsetto is more of a a screech. Real falsetto singers are Frankie Valli, Del Shannon and Lou Christie from the 60s, not McCartney

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Yep and do you know the real reason why those singers from the sixties sang that way?
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Yep and do you know the real reason why those singers from the sixties sang that way?
Yes.
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Originally posted by jude111 jude111 wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

I don't recall Paul McCartney having to "slip into falsetto a couple times" to hit notes (actually more than a couple). Can you point them out? LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL

I can think of numerous times offhand when McCartney sang in falsetto to reach higher notes - Hey Jude, Maybe I'm Amazed, Check My Machine, My Love, Helter Skelter.

Singers use falsetto all the time. It's actually a quite desirable and pleasant tool to have, although it takes skill and talent to pull off - which both McCartney and Collins were able to do.
Stop it. We are talking about one particular song that did not require falsetto and Phil having to resort to it because it was out of his register. If Phil were to try to sing Hey Jude the way Paul sang it, he'd have to put his nuts in a vice. 
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Yep and do you know the real reason why those singers from the sixties sang that way?
Yes.

I do too but most people don't because it's not common knowledge. 
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Well, you guys did it. 

You finally f**king did it. 

This thread has gone back and forth for so many pages it's actually created a parallel timeline where Rush is both and neither prog, like some sort of Schrodinger's Prog Cat bullsh*t. 

I hope you're happy, Prog/Not Prog Archives! Wink

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So I thought I clicked on the "Are Rush prog" thread and I find myself reading about Collins, McCartney and falsetto singing! Talk about off-topic.

btw - I'm not sure that McCartney's "screamy" voice as used in Maybe I'm Amazed is actually falsetto. I believe he achieved that by gargling bleach.
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

So I thought I clicked on the "Are Rush prog" thread and I find myself reading about Collins, McCartney and falsetto singing! Talk about off-topic.

btw - I'm not sure that McCartney's "screamy" voice as used in Maybe I'm Amazed is actually falsetto. I believe he achieved that by gargling bleach.
Yes, the thread's off topic but that didn't stop you from joining in on the falsetto debate. Btw, early Geddy vocals are as close to a hard rock falsetto is one could get.
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^ This thread has been off-topic since day one. And I'm not sure, after 22 pages of wildly fluctuating subject matter, why anyone would care if it's on-topic. It should be exiled to the "Just For Fun" section of the forum.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

^ This thread has been off-topic since day one. And I'm not sure, after 22 pages of wildly fluctuating subject matter, why anyone would care if it's on-topic. It should be exiled to the "Just For Fun" section of the forum.
Any "is X prog?" thread is just for fun!
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

So I thought I clicked on the "Are Rush prog" thread and I find myself reading about Collins, McCartney and falsetto singing! Talk about off-topic.

btw - I'm not sure that McCartney's "screamy" voice as used in Maybe I'm Amazed is actually falsetto. I believe he achieved that by gargling bleach.
Yes, the thread's off topic but that didn't stop you from joining in on the falsetto debate.  

Fair point, I thought I might as well join in. It makes a change from going round in a permanent circle of Rush being prog or not prog.
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

So I thought I clicked on the "Are Rush prog" thread and I find myself reading about Collins, McCartney and falsetto singing! Talk about off-topic.

btw - I'm not sure that McCartney's "screamy" voice as used in Maybe I'm Amazed is actually falsetto. I believe he achieved that by gargling bleach.

He absolutely sings in falsetto: listen at the 1:05 mark (it's not the "screamy" voice section): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slF3EBxZE6A

I wish some real trained singers would chime in here.

Singers don't always resort to falsetto/head voice because they can't hit the note; sometimes it's the tone they desire. Originally someone said that Collins was singing off-key, because he used head voice at one point. I believe Collins chose to use it; it was an aesthetic choice. He could absolutely hit those notes, as other recordings prove.

Talented, well-trained singers can blend between head and chest voice so that you don't even notice the transitions, and blend back and forth between the two seamlessly. But most cannot do this, not without training and instruction.


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Originally posted by jude111 jude111 wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

So I thought I clicked on the "Are Rush prog" thread and I find myself reading about Collins, McCartney and falsetto singing! Talk about off-topic.

btw - I'm not sure that McCartney's "screamy" voice as used in Maybe I'm Amazed is actually falsetto. I believe he achieved that by gargling bleach.

He absolutely sings in falsetto: listen at the 1:05 mark (it's not the "screamy" voice section): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slF3EBxZE6A

I wish some real trained singers would chime in here.

Singers don't always resort to falsetto because they can't hit the note; sometimes it's the tone they desire. Originally someone said that Collins was singing off-key, because he used falsetto at one point. I believe Collins chose to use falsetto; it was an aesthetic choice. He could absolutely hit those notes, as other recordings prove.

Does sound like falsetto to me.
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