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So now, 40 years later we return to the 80's to try and find the prog we cannot find today and couldn't find back then? doesn't make much sense to me, but interesting thread nonetheless...

Many of the bands mentioned, are already listed at PA.
 
Cm'on, who is the caretaker of this forum, move it to the Prog Related Forum or something lesser, please.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Crane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2021 at 15:42
earlyprog, if you read the OP you’ll see that I’m coveting something very specific in this thread. It’s sort of veered off into discussion of sophisti-pop in general. But the intention was to solicit prog recommendations.
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Slick, produced, strongly melodic pop music, with 1) odd time signatures, 2) advanced harmonic movements, 3) long-form compositions inspired by classical music, and/or 4) strong development of themes rather than simple repetition.

Not necessarily from the 1980’s, but “80’s” conveys the heavy use of digital synthesiser and programmed sequences that I’d personally like to hear.


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Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

So now, 40 years later we return to the 80's to try and find the prog we cannot find today and couldn't find back then? doesn't make much sense to me, but interesting thread nonetheless...

Many of the bands mentioned, are already listed at PA.
 
Cm'on, who is the caretaker of this forum, move it to the Prog Related Forum or something lesser, please.

This definitely belongs here. The original topic of conversation is prog. Rather than suggesting it be moved, it would make more sense to ask for it to be brought back on topic - which is prog bands that have the sophisti-pop vibe. There are such bands in PA, and not in the prog-related section, but generally in Crossover.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2021 at 17:08
Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

So now, 40 years later we return to the 80's to try and find the prog we cannot find today and couldn't find back then? doesn't make much sense to me, but interesting thread nonetheless...

Many of the bands mentioned, are already listed at PA.
 
Cm'on, who is the caretaker of this forum, move it to the Prog Related Forum or something lesser, please.

you're right, maybe ask Keishiro for help. Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TCat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2021 at 18:35
The band "of Montreal" is one of those sophisti-pop bands I think should be in the Archives.

Squeeze's album "Cosi Fan Tutti Frutti" is their most progressive and they are also an overlooked sophisti-pop style band.

10cc is here in the Archives and so is Mercury Rev, and I would consider them both sophisti-pop

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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Perhaps, also, try Laughing Stock? The band name comes from Talk Talk, and they’re not at all what I would consider sophisti-pop, but I think they would likely appeal, nevertheless. I couldn’t even begin to guess all their influences, so varied is the palette they draw from, but I’d take a stab in the dark, and venture as well as Talk Talk, some Roxy Music, Brian Eno, Tears for Fears, XTC, Pink Floyd, Neil Young, Camel, The Beatles and probably at least a couple of dozen others. 🤪



This was lost almost immediately after I posted it. I know you checked out, and enjoyed The Opium Cartel. Did you give Laughing Stock a listen? No worries if you did, and it didn’t do it for you. I know they don’t quite fit the bill. 😄

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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

This was lost almost immediately after I posted it. I know you checked out, and enjoyed The Opium Cartel. Did you give Laughing Stock a listen? No worries if you did, and it didn’t do it for you. I know they don’t quite fit the bill. 😄


It’s sitting in my queue as we speak. I’ve been discovering so much new music lately it’s kind of overwhelming! I will definitely get around to it. Right after IQ’s ‘Frequency’....
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nick, following up...

Laughing Stock’s ‘The Island’ wasn’t as interesting to me, sorry to say. The most interesting tracks were those which jammed different genres together, e.g. “That Face.” But Laughing Stock indulged too much in the tendency to extend tracks unnecessarily, without compensatory musical development or introduction of material. Most distracting were the lyrics, which were (I think) self-consciously silly. Vis a vis this thread, on the whole I didn’t hear as much of an 80’s influence on this album. I’ll give it another listen, as these are obviously fine musicians who crafted a technically accomplished album with plenty of advanced ideas.
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Crane, if you like Baroque pop + sophisti i recommend you The Divine Comedy, really a great band with many orchestral arregements.

Another great album, the debut of the band Doves - "Lost Souls" brilliant!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote chopper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2021 at 08:37
Originally posted by Progmind Progmind wrote:


Another great album, the debut of the band Doves - "Lost Souls" brilliant!!

Haven't heard that one but their album "The Last Broadcast" has prog elements, even a bit of King Crimson's Moonchild.
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Progmind Progmind wrote:


Another great album, the debut of the band Doves - "Lost Souls" brilliant!!

Haven't heard that one but their album "The Last Broadcast" has prog elements, even a bit of King Crimson's Moonchild.

Another great album Chopper, my two favs by doves, but i prefer their debut, if you can check it out!
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I put it on my list. Thanks, Progmind.
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Despite the use of the word pop in the name, dreampop and shoegaze are generally seen as synonymous and interchangeable. Often you’ll find that what is described as shoegaze on one side of the Atlantic, is referred to as dreampop on the other.

I can recommend Julee Cruise (especially her albums 'Floating into the Night' and 'The Voice of Love'), Melody's Echo Chamber (a project of Melody Prochet), Say Lou Lou, and Lykke Li. 

Also check out the 4AD label projects , in particular This Mortal Coil, and Cocteau Twins .
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Originally posted by Progmind Progmind wrote:

Crane, if you like Baroque pop + sophisti i recommend you The Divine Comedy, really a great band with many orchestral arregements.

Another great album, the debut of the band Doves - "Lost Souls" brilliant!!

I recently started going through the top 5000 albums on the rate your music site(the all time list) and writing down the ones that I have heard of or that I haven't heard of but look interesting to me(based on genre and description)and the Divine Comedy were one that  popped up(I don't remember what number or which album(s) though). The Doves might have popped up too I'm not sure. 
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hi AFlowerKingCrimson

I´m also a RYM user, as far for the divine Comedy, they have two excellent  albums with very high scores "Fin De Siecle" and "Absent friends", i recommend both albums, pure baroque pop!



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Originally posted by Progmind Progmind wrote:

hi AFlowerKingCrimson

I´m also a RYM user, as far for the divine Comedy, they have two excellent  albums with very high scores "Fin De Siecle" and "Absent friends", i recommend both albums, pure baroque pop!




I'm not actually a rater on there but I do use the site a lot to check out ratings. I also use allmusic sometimes. I wonder how many younger music fans discovered close to the edge because of rym or prog in general. Anyway, I will keep those divine comedy albums in mind. Baroque pop seems like an interesting genre to me. 
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I see that thread title and one album immediately jumps to mind...

The Nightfly
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

I see that thread title and one album immediately jumps to mind...

The Nightfly

My fav album by Donald Fagen!
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Originally posted by Crane Crane wrote:

Originally posted by Progmind Progmind wrote:

Hi Crane!!

The Painted Word (my mistake, its The Painted Word not World) was the band of Peter John Vettese (keyboardist of Jethro Tull), they oonly release two amazingd albums, i recommend you "Lovelife"

Sophisti- pop prog hybrid i recommend you:

North Atlantic Oscilation, I specially recommend you the album "Fog Electric"
Wild Nothing - "Nocturne" where the band shows influences from Shoegaze and Dream pop
Leaves - "The Angela Test" very Radiohead + Orchestrations + pop
Eksi Ekso - "I am your b*****d wings" post rock + orchestraton + pop melodies

I’m liking the Painted Word songs I’m hearing. Very good, if typical, sophisti-pop. I’ll try to track down the full albums. I’ll also have to look into your other recommendations. Thanks!

I'm loving the title track to the second Painted Word album "Universal"



Seems their albums are rather hard to track down, with only scattered songs on YouTube. 
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