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Posted: March 20 2021 at 14:11
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Is there anyone left in the world (perhaps Eskimos) who guys you don’t hate?
Seriously, I’d like to know who you don’t hate apart from gun-toting whites.
Seriously man, get with the program ! This is an offensive term. The dignified terms are Inuit or First Nations People.
BTW, I know lots of Americans who don't hate people of any kind. Your generalizations here are, IMHO, ignorant and uninformed. You're taking the position of a few, and applying it across the whole nation. It would be the same as me suggesting all Germans are...well...let's leave it at that 'cause it's too offensive for me to even say.
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Posted: March 20 2021 at 14:15
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OK, just wondering, considering latest development: Our US friends here seem to hate just about everyone who isn’t white:
Even after Biden was elected: You hate blacks, browns, Arab-borns, Asians (especially Chinese), South Americans, anyone not borne in the US, plus anyone non-white born in the US.
Is there anyone left in the world (perhaps Eskimos) who guys you don’t hate?
Seriously, I’d like to know who you don’t hate apart from gun-toting whites.
Everyone knows I'm not a fan of the US, and that I'd rather live somewhere else, but these generalizations are beyond ridiculous. There's plenty of decent people in the US who don't hate anyone and don't tote guns of any kind. My husband is one of them, as are many of those who post on these forums.
I feel that about 30% of Americans are markedly biggoted. Just enough to storm a Capital building.
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Posted: March 20 2021 at 15:03
^ 30% are bigots seems fair enough, but of that 30% I'd say about 99% are too lazy and comfortable to storm anything besides the fridge. There is too much luxury and comfort in this country for anything to happen right now. If there was a severe economic downturn and 50% unemployment, then yes, the sh*t would hit the fan and this country would see plenty of violence and turmoil, and yes, such a thing could happen.
I spent my first year in SF squatting vacant buildings with the homeless anarchists. Those guys would make things happen during civil disobedience because there was no luxury for them to fall back on, just gnawing hunger and daily discomfort.
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Posted: March 20 2021 at 15:35
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^ 30% are bigots seems fair enough, but of that 30% I'd say about 99% are too lazy and comfortable to storm anything besides the fridge. There is too much luxury and comfort in this country for anything to happen right now. If there was a severe economic downturn and 50% unemployment, then yes, the sh*t would hit the fan and this country would see plenty of violence and turmoil, and yes, such a thing could happen.
I spent my first year in SF squatting vacant buildings with the homeless anarchists. Those guys would make things happen during civil disobedience because there was no luxury for them to fall back on, just gnawing hunger and daily discomfort.
it's estimated that 7000 to 10000 people protested at the Capitol on Jan. 6, and they didn't look to lazy to me. Anything that can invite a mob in the US will bring about some form of action. Most of it bad.
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Posted: March 20 2021 at 15:49
Actually I know quite a few that are not, these tend to be the type of Repubs who didn't like trump either. I don't think independents or dems are necessarily free from prejudice either.
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The problem a lot of people have with the Dems has nothing to do with prejudice or lack thereof, they just think the Dems promise too much to too many people and there isn't enough money to go around to cover it all.
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The most gentrified city I ever lived in was liberal San Francisco. They ran all the black people out of that city and rebuilt their neighborhoods for the young white tech crowd.
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Posted: March 20 2021 at 16:37
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For the record, I don't know a single Republican Trump supporter personally that's not a biggot. I'm hoping that I'm the exception but I'm starting to have my doubts.
there are lots of Republicans that don't buy the white greivance.. minorities are why my life sucks so badly excuse that is page 1.. 2.. 3.. 4.. and page.. of the modern Republican party playbook.
and much like conseverative working class Democrats in the early 80's.. who said.. I didn't leave my party (and they never did) my party left me for animus to toward blacks. there is a counter movement akin to Reagan Democrats.. Biden Republicans. They will never stop identifying themselves as Republicans.. but for decades might well vote as well for the candidates that speak to their values and what is important to them.
for whom kitchen table issues matter... not f**king Dr. Seuss.
however those that supported Trump.. continue to support them.. racist. ... whether they admit it or not be it those who march or act directly upon that racism.. or worse.. indirectly support them through right wing bubble ignorance or lack of empathy with votes to politicians that play politics of division and hate.
what surprised everyone.. from amateur to professional politicos.. were just how many racists there really are in this country today and Trump tapped that particular nasty American latent predisposition to racism and fear of non WASP populations running this country that goes back hundreds of years more than anyone figured was possible in 2020. Trump is directly responsible for the deaths of 100's of thousands.. a crashed economy.. a degradation of our democratic values.. even f**king insurrection/treason.. and still most Republicans support him.
why?
it is all about the culture war.. white vs non white.. in short.. racism. Fear of those different from the white ruling power that has ruled this country since its inception.. for whom lofty notions of freedom and opportunity only truly count if you are one of us.
the surprise Steve wasn't it existed.. but just how prevalent it is in this country...
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Posted: March 20 2021 at 17:20
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For the record, I don't know a single Republican personally that's not a biggot. I'm hoping that I'm the exception but I'm starting to have my doubts.
I don't think I'd go that far, but all the ones I know definitely support candidates/people that do, so they at least condone it. Every registered republican I know (which admittedly is probably much smaller than either you or Easy) voted for trump (some offsettingly proudly), so it's hard for me to give them a pass overall.
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Posted: March 20 2021 at 17:29
^ Most Repubs that I know who are good friends or family members are "Biden Repubs", they do not like trump at all, but are also afraid Dems are too reckless with money. Of the Repubs that are co-workers, neighbors and people I talk to on the internet, lots of them voted for trump, but even then, they may not be particularly enthusiastic about him.
I do have some cousins who are hardcore trumpateers, as well as some farcebook friends and of course there are trumpateers on local social media I talk to.
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Posted: March 20 2021 at 17:34
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JD wrote:
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Is there anyone left in the world (perhaps Eskimos) who guys you don’t hate?
Seriously, I’d like to know who you don’t hate apart from gun-toting whites.
Seriously man, get with the program ! This is an offensive term. The dignified terms are Inuit or First Nations People.
BTW, I know lots of Americans who don't hate people of any kind. Your generalizations here are, IMHO, ignorant and uninformed. You're taking the position of a few, and applying it across the whole nation. It would be the same as me suggesting all Germans are...well...let's leave it at that 'cause it's too offensive for me to even say.
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Posted: March 20 2021 at 21:55
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The problem a lot of people have with the Dems has nothing to do with prejudice or lack thereof, they just think the Dems promise too much to too many people and there isn't enough money to go around to cover it all.
And I bet we're going to see exactly that movie now with Biden unleashing a ginormous stimulus just as the economy rebounds again. A stimulus was needed but last year. Not now, at least not of this size. Not unless everything is going to shut down again and it doesn't look like that would be the case.
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Posted: March 21 2021 at 08:13
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^ Most Repubs that I know who are good friends or family members are "Biden Repubs", they do not like trump at all, but are also afraid Dems are too reckless with money. Of the Repubs that are co-workers, neighbors and people I talk to on the internet, lots of them voted for trump, but even then, they may not be particularly enthusiastic about him.
I do have some cousins who are hardcore trumpateers, as well as some farcebook friends and of course there are trumpateers on local social media I talk to.
Fair enough. As I said, I was referring to Repubs I know personally as freinds, and not in a general social media way. My cirle consists of 5 physicians who are still reeling from the restrictions placed on them from Obama Care, which they all hate. When pressed as to what is thier core complaint, all have expressed a fear that the Democratic stance is only geared for helping and advancing minorities in this country in order to get votes, having forsaken the "Trump whites." Unfortunately, I've had to endure listening to thier "underground info" as to what a low life George Floyd really was and that has been hiden by the left wing media, while they pile on the black stereotypes in order to convince me of thier arguments. And that is just one example. Strangely, all have black and brown people as patients that they care deeply about but always see them as exceptions to the rules. As I just stated, my small orbit may not be indictative of the wider views of Republicans but it still gives me little hope.
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Posted: March 21 2021 at 08:55
^ Yeah, a lot of that sounds very familiar to me as well. Personally I think racism and xenophobia are prevalent the world over and I think a lot of people are just in denial of their own tendencies in that direction, even if in a small amount. There is a very interesting test you can take that shows you pictures of people and then you pick the words that go with that. If I can remember where I saw that I will post it.
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Posted: March 21 2021 at 09:19
I think that there is an Us vs Them mentality in this country. I think unfortunately things like the NAACP, affirmative action and Black Caucuses work against black society because they add to the Us vs Them mentality. There are many whites that are or claim to be "not racist" but are upset or offended by the "reverse racism" that comes from Black society. There is an anger of being accused of "White privilege" when one is struggling to get by day-to-day themselves.
I think that also there are different levels of racism. I'm not saying that any level of racism is right, but people are entitled to their prejudices. I live in a very majority white city and have had very little real life exposure to black people aside from a few co-workers over the years. So I do have many prejudices picked up through life experiences and TV viewings, but certainly no hatred. There is also some fear as a result of these prejudices. Nothing in my life that truly justifies my fear, but it is still there. That said, I have that same fear of biker gangs and long-haired metal dudes that if I run into them in a dark alley they are going to beat me, rob me, and maybe kill me. And that certainly isn't racist. Of course it is generalizations that get me and other in trouble, and to generalize about white people, I think that most white people want the best for themselves, their friends, and their neighbors, and really don't harbor any hatred for black people. I think that there is fear of the "thugs", which unfortunately gets generalized as racism or hatred, but all and all people most people just want "everyone to get along".
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Posted: March 21 2021 at 09:35
This is tricky. How do you equate the motorist who locks his car door when he sees a black panhandler approaching his or her car, with a white supremacist? The first is not trying to incite or condone violence against someone. The second does so it's a false equivalency. There is a moral line that has been crossed. And those that bend to ideas of the latter are always more inclined to get swept up in mob violence than the former. They just need a catalyst.
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Posted: March 21 2021 at 09:51
Re Rushfan: I appreciate your perspective and honesty, but NAACP, to pick one example, has often been very beneficial for black people. Its hard for white people to understand why a minority race that faces perpetual judgement needs to stick together at times until the white person gets to prison where they are likely to be out numbered and they then become very aware of the fact that they are white, not just another person. The roots of white pride groups are almost always in the prison system.
As far as your neighborhood perspective goes, because of my love of inner city life (when I was younger, ha), I have lived in several neighborhoods that had few white people. It does give you a different perspective on things.
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