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The Notion of Originality: Arguments & Discussions |
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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^ Almost stating a case for plagiarism by cultural osmosis. Interesting thread certainly. The first thing that came to mind was a line from Patrick Moraz's solo album the Story of I: "there's nothing new except what's been forgotten" which I've always thought contained a vestige of truth. Not sure who stated this idea originally (irony) but it may have been Marie Antoinette's dressmaker Rose Bertin
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Crane ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 08 2011 Location: Rhode Island Status: Offline Points: 411 |
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To your question: Yes, if a piece of music sounds derivative, it should be taken into consideration whether its author had access to the original source; in other words, the musician’s intent.
There is a chance it is actually a case of deliberate musical plagiarism. There is also a chance it is a case of unintentional musical plagiarism; if the musician perhaps heard the original source music, forgot about it to some degree, and then used it thinking it was original. There is a chance the musician never heard the original, but heard many similar, either preceding or derivative, pieces of music, and came up with something almost entirely similar.
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Very easy. Originality is something that hasn't been done before. The magnitude of which can vary greatly. The problem with defining something as original lies in the fact that evolutionary processes are gradual incremental developments. Occasionally a big bang of creativity can occur but more often than not it is a result of subtle changes of what has been done before. So what's the point? |
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Crane ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 08 2011 Location: Rhode Island Status: Offline Points: 411 |
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Originality is overrated.
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Shadowyzard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 24 2020 Location: Davutlar Status: Offline Points: 4506 |
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“The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new.”― Samuel Beckett, Murphy |
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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There's nothing new under the sun. Most of the time.
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Shadowyzard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 24 2020 Location: Davutlar Status: Offline Points: 4506 |
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I always hesitate to call anything "original", most probably due to the fact that I don't have an exhaustive specialization in any field. It was a deliberate choice of mine, as I have much more fun while seeing cultural productions as vast oceans and feeling as though I'm swimming inside them like a fish. Always discovering is my thing. Otherwise I get quickly bored.
Conversely, I can easily use the word "unoriginal", but try to be sensible, empathic and plausible while doing that. As, my experiences proved long ago that some "similarities", and even virtually identical productions can be the results of sheer coincidences. Fun trivia: People liken me (slightly physically, but more in terms of character, temperament, and way of thinking and talking) to Sheldon Cooper of The Big Bang Theory, and I swear that I haven't watched even an episode of that TV series. (I had to do a Google search to write the name here.) A friend of mine gave me the link of a YouTube video composed of its best scenes where Sheldon Cooper acts, only last year. I still am not interested, haha. Anyway, I believe all of us can give countless similar examples, but my actual point is that; in order to be sure of whether something is unoriginal or not, we also have to be sure that the creator of an output -which can be deemed as unoriginal- is/was aware or unaware of the "original" thing that s/he is accused of ripping off. This shouldn't necessarily mean that we cannot "accuse" anybody of this. For instance, if a metal band do a very similar song to Metallica's one big hit, they cannot/shouldn't easily get away with that... Come on... You must be aware that such a song exists! Any thoughts/insights/arguments?
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