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Yes - Close to The Edge.

There's a reason Bruford peaced lol.

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The Wall, maybe? Obvious one though
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Originally posted by Umeda Umeda wrote:

The Wall, maybe? Obvious one though

true, and even worse conflict on The Final Cut. 
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Tensions were high within the band making King Crimson's "Red". Fripp disbanded the group two week before the albums release. Wetton's section he wrote for Starless (vocal part) was not liked by Fripp.

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The Single Factor by Camel

Camel was contractually obliged to make two more albums, Andy Ward attempted suicide after years of drug addiction and bi-polar disorder and couldn't drum as a result of a self inflicted injury. Camel was essentially reduced to just Andy Latimer so pretty much every song has a different lineup including Anthony Phillips, a guest appearance from Peter Bardens and a good chunk of the Alan Parsons Project.

Honestly though, it's not a terrible record, it's just very "okay" front to back in my opinion. Some pretty good cuts in there. Stationary Traveler, now that's a great record!
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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

The Single Factor by Camel

Camel was contractually obliged to make two more albums, Andy Ward attempted suicide after years of drug addiction and bi-polar disorder and couldn't drum as a result of a self inflicted injury. Camel was essentially reduced to just Andy Latimer so pretty much every song has a different lineup including Anthony Phillips, a guest appearance from Peter Bardens and a good chunk of the Alan Parsons Project.

Honestly though, it's not a terrible record, it's just very "okay" front to back in my opinion. Some pretty good cuts in there. Stationary Traveler, now that's a great record!

I did not know that about Andy Ward. I know (there are videos fortunately) he briefly drummed for Marillion, in 1983, before Mosley joined. 
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My favorite example is Brian Eno's "Here come the warm jets!"  He deliberately brought together discord and conflicting personalities into the study to capture their energy and dissonance!  From Wikipedia:

Eno enlisted sixteen guest musicians to play on the album, who were invited on the basis that Eno thought they were musically incompatible with each other.[1] He stated that he "got them together merely because I wanted to see what happens when you combine different identities like that and allow them to compete ... [The situation] is organized with the knowledge that there might be accidents, accidents which will be more interesting than what I had intended".[1]
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

The Single Factor by Camel

Camel was contractually obliged to make two more albums, Andy Ward attempted suicide after years of drug addiction and bi-polar disorder and couldn't drum as a result of a self inflicted injury. Camel was essentially reduced to just Andy Latimer so pretty much every song has a different lineup including Anthony Phillips, a guest appearance from Peter Bardens and a good chunk of the Alan Parsons Project.

Honestly though, it's not a terrible record, it's just very "okay" front to back in my opinion. Some pretty good cuts in there. Stationary Traveler, now that's a great record!

I did not know that about Andy Ward. I know (there are videos fortunately) he briefly drummed for Marillion, in 1983, before Mosley joined. 

Yeah he struggled for years, this live video kinda sums up the really bad condition and mental state he was in. He looks completely out of it in this clip
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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

The Single Factor by Camel

Camel was contractually obliged to make two more albums, Andy Ward attempted suicide after years of drug addiction and bi-polar disorder and couldn't drum as a result of a self inflicted injury. Camel was essentially reduced to just Andy Latimer so pretty much every song has a different lineup including Anthony Phillips, a guest appearance from Peter Bardens and a good chunk of the Alan Parsons Project.

Honestly though, it's not a terrible record, it's just very "okay" front to back in my opinion. Some pretty good cuts in there. Stationary Traveler, now that's a great record!

agreed!
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"Wolf City" by Amon Düül II. The conflict could hardly be bigger - splitting up due to arguments including threats with knives and revolvers while those who split from the band formed Utopia who made only one self-titled album. Including a reunion during the recording sessions which resulted in all members playing and one song ("Deutsch Nepal") appearing on both albums (in different versions though).


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I've read that every album Barclay James Harvest made starting with Ring of Changes (1983) often had John Lees and Les Holroyd refusing to be in the recording studio when the other was also there.

Must also mention The Police's Synchronicity, which had literal fistfights between Sting and Stewart Copeland.
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Well, when you know Let It Be is their second-last album (Abbey Road) was recorded after, but released before), that would make two of them in a row.

CCR also had a very tense album (Pendulum) that lead to bother Tom leaving the band - the tensions were the same as for The Police - about songwriting space.

And let's not count on the Davies brothers (Kinks) or the Gallagher brats (Oasis) physically fighting during their best (ahem Pinch) albums.

And all of G'nR's albums were done under extreme tensions... though none could be called good (let alone great) LOL

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Fleetwood Mac - Rumours

The group had two couples going through turmoil, and you had Stevie cheat with Mick, while still being with Lindsay, who I would call the musical director/leader.


You missed the other half of it, with Christine McVie cheating on John and sleeping with the road manager and writing You Make Loving Fun about him and have the cuckold play bass on it. LOL

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Umeda Umeda wrote:

The Wall, maybe? Obvious one though


true, and even worse conflict on The Final Cut. 


Not sure the tensions were worse on TFC.




Edited by Sean Trane - March 17 2021 at 14:43
let's just stay above the moral melee
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I think whatever tensions built up during The Wall, the movie afterwards broke them. By The Final Cut, David Gilmour wasn't into the material and reduced his involvement.
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Spacemen 3 - ‘Recurring’ ; one side is essentially a Sonic Boom solo album, the other a J Spaceman solo album. I think it actually works rather well.
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Stevie Wonder - Where I'm Coming From. Not one of his most appreciated albums, but I really like it nevertheless. It was recorded while he was struggling to gain artistic freedom.
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Umeda Umeda wrote:

The Wall, maybe? Obvious one though


true, and even worse conflict on The Final Cut. 


Not sure the tensions were worse on TFC.


Nick Mason left before the album was done, Gilmour was treated like a session musician. Like many people say, TFC was a Roger Waters solo album with the Pink Floyd's name on it. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Umeda Umeda wrote:

The Wall, maybe? Obvious one though

true, and even worse conflict on The Final Cut. 

Not sure the tensions were worse on TFC.

Nick Mason left before the album was done, Gilmour was treated like a session musician. Like many people say, TFC was a Roger Waters solo album with the Pink Floyd's name on it. 


Mason has left the band??Confused that's the first time I hear this. He wasn't very interested in playing drums at the time (busier racing his collection of vintage cars). Which is why there is an additional drummer.

Having spent all of his ideas on his first solo albums and the leftovers used on The Wall (Run Like Hell, Young Lust  and Numb), Gilmour had nothing to propose so he went along with Roger's whims.
As far as I know, he still had something to say and Waters did ask him for advice.

So I'm not sure there were all that many bad feelings during the time of recording TFC, but they might've surfaced when TFC sold poorly (compared to The Wall)
And more strife than during the elaboration of The Wall??


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Edited by Sean Trane - March 18 2021 at 02:15
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It was the movie that broke Pink Floyd.
Alan Parker thought it was his film.
Gerald Scarfe thought he had a bigger say in it.
And then there's Roger! (As the theme tune to the American sitcom made about the making of The Wall film might put it)
I think if The Wall hadn't been made into a film, the band's relationship would probably have still imploded. But just take a bit longer.
Radio Kaos could have been the final involvement Roger had in a Pink Floyd record!
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