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    Posted: March 13 2021 at 15:10
Fleetwood Mac - Rumours

The group had two couples going through turmoil, and you had Stevie cheat with Mick, while still being with Lindsay, who I would call the musical director/leader.

I'm sure many albums have been made during strife, and the example I'm thinking of is mild, compared to some who have to keep working while dying to support themselves financially, or to lose ones' self with the music to avoid a living hell, but you can be the judge.

Please describe the conflicts, since we don't all know the possible band's history. And don't hesitate to mention prog-rock; I just wanted a more broad discussion.
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Let It Be, obviously. It's miraculous they put aside their animosity for a short time afterward to record Abbey Road, because the ill-will remained through the 70s with John, Paul and George each recording stinging rebukes of their bandmates on their solo albums.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Let It Be, obviously. It's miraculous they put aside their animosity for a short time afterward to record Abbey Road, because the ill-will remained through the 70s with John, Paul and George each recording stinging rebukes of their bandmates on their solo albums.
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From what I've read and heard, Floyd had a lot of tensions when recording both The Wall and WYWH. Animals seems to have been an exception. Perhaps that's why it's so good!

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Allan Holdsworth Road Games. Eddie Van Halen got Allan a record deal with Warner Bros., Ted Templeman, exeuctive producer. They wouldn't let Allan do what he wanted, and they dropped him after that album. The record was never finished, had only six tracks, released as an EP. They were trying to get Allan to be more commercial and he said no.

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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Allan Holdsworth Road Games. Eddie Van Halen got Allan a record deal with Warner Bros., Ted Templeman, exeuctive producer. They wouldn't let Allan do what he wanted, and they dropped him after that album. The record was never finished, had only six tracks, released as an EP. They were trying to get Allan to be more commercial and he said no.


They should have known who they were getting, especially with Eddie's help.

I wonder how exactly they wanted him to be more commercial? No instrumentals? More happy choruses in the key of 'G' and 'D'? Popular singers?

Thanks for the mention, I think I'll listen to that today.
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The last (and best) Abba album was made when both couples were already separated or in the process of splitting up.
A favourite Abba song of mine is "One Of Us", and I find the professionality mind-boggling with which Agnetha sings this song about regretting a split up and even confessing that it was she who provoked it written for her by her ex-husband. (Probably in reality it wasn't quite like that, but anyway... maybe that was because she could deliver it.)



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Dream Theater's Awake. 
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

The last (and best) Abba album was made when both couples were already separated or in the process of splitting up.
A favourite Abba song of mine is "One Of Us", and I find the professionality mind-boggling with which Agnetha sings this song about regretting a split up and even confessing that it was she who provoked it written for her by her ex-husband. (Probably in reality it wasn't quite like that, but anyway... maybe that was because she could deliver it.)



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This is one helluva intriguing kind of rejection, I'd say. I'm pretty confident that almost no artist/band would do this. I cannot imagine Metallica rejecting that, even in their oldest farthood. LOL

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Every time I hear The Rolling Stones song "Paint It Black", it reminds me of heavy conflict in Vietnam. Ouch
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'Love Beach', right? LOL
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Originally posted by A Crimson Mellotron A Crimson Mellotron wrote:

'Love Beach', right? LOL

the only "conflict" was with the label which forced them to make an album, contractual obligations. 
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Well the Peter Jackson documentary about Let It Be might shatter (I have them too) illusions about how horrible it was making Let It Be.
I'd like to suggest Gong's You album.
Read an interview ages ago that although Daevid Allen thinks it's the best produced of the trilogy, it's marred by "outside circumstances" and of course by this time Daevid had quit pot and was going for "naturally meditative" states of mind and was trying to get others to do the same.
While members of the cuddly band began doing loads of cocaine, one of the band members (Francis Moze or Tim Blake) really reacted badly.
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Originally posted by MortSahlFan MortSahlFan wrote:

They should have known who they were getting, especially with Eddie's help.
I wonder how exactly they wanted him to be more commercial? No instrumentals? More happy choruses in the key of 'G' and 'D'? Popular singers?
Templeman wanted a different drummer and singer. He didn't like Paul Williams voice. Warner Bros. said they would not put out the album if Allan used Paul. Templeman also told Allan he couldn't use his engineer, only Ted's. Allan said no and Templeman said do it yourself and kicked him off the label. Great album but a nightmare for Allan.
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Originally posted by MortSahlFan MortSahlFan wrote:

any 70's album by Fleetwood Mac 



they weren't the poster children of VH1's Behind the Music for nothing.. nor for just one album.  Mick Fleetwood earned every single dollar he put up his nose keeping that group together as it seemed to fall apart after each album between religous freaks, drunks, martial affairs, and fake Mac bands...
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Originally posted by A Crimson Mellotron A Crimson Mellotron wrote:

'Love Beach', right? LOL
Well, at least I love the Beach Gees album, even if no one else around here does. Smile
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The recording of this album was fuelled with conflicts between Sebastian and his musicians about its direction. I guess this is what shapes its intensity. It is clearly one of his best.
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Allan Holdsworth Road Games. Eddie Van Halen got Allan a record deal with Warner Bros., Ted Templeman, exeuctive producer. They wouldn't let Allan do what he wanted, and they dropped him after that album. The record was never finished, had only six tracks, released as an EP. They were trying to get Allan to be more commercial and he said no.

And yet, as with many albums full of conflict and tension, it's one of his best releases.
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I was gonna say Vol. lV, but I think Sabbotage is more apropos.

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