Are Certain Genres Not "Music"?

^ Re: the previous posts:
There are also a lot more diverse opinions than just " I Like rap, or I don't like rap."
I really liked late 80s rap when it was based around classic funk sampled loops and creative add-on sampling. The rhymes had a swing beat to them and moved in double time like a jazz horn solo. The lyrics were often clever, humorous and unpredictable.

Enter the mid 90s and the music hit a severe down swing, boring rhythms, predictable subject matter, repetitive commercial sound etc.

These days rap/hip-hop has a wide variety ranging from tons of commercial crap to some really creative poetry set to equally creative music. The commercial crap is what most are exposed to.
As far as the op goes, music is what you feel like listening to. I can listen to the environmental sounds around me as if they were something that were meant to be.

Edited by Easy Money - March 12 2021 at 06:47

On the same train of thought, it's important to remember that reactions like this happened before. The same argument of "this new music is all crap" or "this stuff is watered-down non-music" was thrown at most forms of rock and roll during the beginning of its proliferation, and that probably continued among snooty people well into the future, even now. 

If I like it it’s music to me

Awesoreno wrote: On the same train of thought, it's important to remember that reactions like this happened before. The same argument of "this new music is all crap" or "this stuff is watered-down non-music" was thrown at most forms of rock and roll during the beginning of its proliferation, and that probably continued among snooty people well into the future, even now.  It also works both ways. There are plenty of people who (regardless of what kind of hip-hop they listen to) think all rock just sounds like, say, Linkin Park. Now, all of us here would probably say "then you have barely heard anything of rock!" And one would be right. But that's just all that they heard. Many who bemoan rap or hip-hop or trap or etc. probably haven't really investigated that stuff either. It's just a circle of ignorance. Maybe you have looked into it a bit, and you don't like it. That's fine. Maybe they looked into more kinds of rock and didn't like it. Also fine. There's no need to look down one's nose. Respect doesn't necessitate enjoyment or agreement.

Any genre produces mediocrity once music industry types realize there is money in that genre. Thats what happened to rap, and that is what has happened to different types of rock and RnB over the years.

Edited by Easy Money - March 12 2021 at 07:51

Progishness wrote: Icarium wrote: Are spoken word music or poetry So presumably, 'Fairy Tales' the first Mother Gong album would fall into that category?

nick_h_nz wrote: Progishness wrote: Icarium wrote: Are spoken word music or poetry So presumably, 'Fairy Tales' the first Mother Gong album would fall into that category? Or much of Lou Reed’s Raven. Or for that matter, his manner of “singing” on Lulu. Both of those albums, like Metal Machine Music so many years before, received criticism that they weren’t even music. Blatantly untrue, even if the performance at times wasn’t conventionally musical. The thing is, they were just another couple of albums where Reed took some of his fanbase outside their comfort zone. David Bowie, John Cale, Lou Reed, Frank Zappa - you name it, there are renowned and well-liked musicians who have alienated some of their fanbase at times, by making music in quite different ways and styles. Some less “musical” to some ears - but each of those still music to the ears of others. Once again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and music is in the mind of the listener. What’s music to one person isn’t to another. And some listeners find it easier to take leaps out of their comfort zones more than others, (And for anyone who wants to show their appreciation of Reed’s Raven or Lulu, both appear in a poll I made for his last few years: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=125586 )

siLLy puPPy wrote: Anybody who says that all hip hop is crap clearly hasn't been exposed to the wide range of what exists these days.

Edited by MortSahlFan - March 12 2021 at 15:47