Steve Wilson, recent interview...

dr wu23 wrote: 'Good pop' has been brought up several times in regards to Wilson's new lp.....so I'm curious as to what recent lp's in the last 2 or 3 years qualify as 'good pop'? And how many here think his new one is 'good pop' ,whatever that means?

Spacegod87 wrote: SteveG wrote: Bullsh*t. You have no idea of what you're talking about. There's quite a lot of that in this thread, so you're going in good company. I'm getting tired of trying to defend Wilson in this thread, someone I personally don't care for, while listening to nonsense from daydreamers like you.  Tell me of all the artists you're familiar and worked with. I've recorded The Grateful Dead, CSNY, Blue Oyster Cult, Patti Smith, The Good Rats, Mink DeVille and many, many others. When you've had the same experience, then talk to me about artist's wives.  I don't like losing my temper like this but I've had quite enough with these types of posts. Btw, I didn't say that was a paramount reason for band tensions but, occasionally, one of them. Why are you getting so upset over this? I just said it was a bit much to blame wives for breaking up a band, that's all mate...whether you agree or not, there was no need to bite my head off like that. Kind of weird..

Edited by dougmcauliffe - March 08 2021 at 11:20

dr wu23 wrote: Catcher10 wrote: dr wu23 wrote: 'Good pop' has been brought up several times in regards to Wilson's new lp.....so I'm curious as to what recent lp's in the last 2 or 3 years qualify as 'good pop'? And how many here think his new one is 'good pop' ,whatever that means?  It's a good question but you can't ask a prog website what is good pop!!  The better question is what pop albums are popular right now, cause I don't really know how to define "good" in music, with the Grammy's coming up soon there you will see what the industry considers "good" music. I could not see TFB being in this list of popular albums, as I have said many times I really don't think it is a pop album, maybe a couple songs if you stretch really hard, but it's more electronic alternative rock music. Is it prog music, not really but SW direction, like it or not is a progressive movement, away from his previous styles or writing (and playing). This album is really his closest to a true "solo" album, since he plays many of the instruments, Mike Oldfield comes to mind as well does Prince. Prince played almost all of the instruments on many of his albums but he's never been considered a true solo artist as there are songs that he used either other musicians or The Revolution to record. Well..I have no faith that the Grammy people would recognize 'good pop'. I think Zappa said once that most wouldn't know good rock music if it bit them in the ass.   I don't hear 'pop rock' either when listening to Wilson's new lp.  I don't listen to the current pop charts so I honestly have no idea what will even be nominated at the Grammy's.

Edited by Catcher10 - March 08 2021 at 12:13

Catcher10 wrote: dr wu23 wrote: Catcher10 wrote: dr wu23 wrote: 'Good pop' has been brought up several times in regards to Wilson's new lp.....so I'm curious as to what recent lp's in the last 2 or 3 years qualify as 'good pop'? And how many here think his new one is 'good pop' ,whatever that means?  It's a good question but you can't ask a prog website what is good pop!!  The better question is what pop albums are popular right now, cause I don't really know how to define "good" in music, with the Grammy's coming up soon there you will see what the industry considers "good" music. I could not see TFB being in this list of popular albums, as I have said many times I really don't think it is a pop album, maybe a couple songs if you stretch really hard, but it's more electronic alternative rock music. Is it prog music, not really but SW direction, like it or not is a progressive movement, away from his previous styles or writing (and playing). This album is really his closest to a true "solo" album, since he plays many of the instruments, Mike Oldfield comes to mind as well does Prince. Prince played almost all of the instruments on many of his albums but he's never been considered a true solo artist as there are songs that he used either other musicians or The Revolution to record. Well..I have no faith that the Grammy people would recognize 'good pop'. I think Zappa said once that most wouldn't know good rock music if it bit them in the ass.   I don't hear 'pop rock' either when listening to Wilson's new lp.  I don't listen to the current pop charts so I honestly have no idea what will even be nominated at the Grammy's. 98% hip-hop/rap music 2% country.......I'm sure I'm wrong but not by much

Edited by dr wu23 - March 08 2021 at 12:35

dougmcauliffe wrote: Spacegod87 wrote: SteveG wrote: Bullsh*t. You have no idea of what you're talking about. There's quite a lot of that in this thread, so you're going in good company. I'm getting tired of trying to defend Wilson in this thread, someone I personally don't care for, while listening to nonsense from daydreamers like you.  Tell me of all the artists you're familiar and worked with. I've recorded The Grateful Dead, CSNY, Blue Oyster Cult, Patti Smith, The Good Rats, Mink DeVille and many, many others. When you've had the same experience, then talk to me about artist's wives.  I don't like losing my temper like this but I've had quite enough with these types of posts. Btw, I didn't say that was a paramount reason for band tensions but, occasionally, one of them. Why are you getting so upset over this? I just said it was a bit much to blame wives for breaking up a band, that's all mate...whether you agree or not, there was no need to bite my head off like that. Kind of weird.. Yeah I gotta agree this hyper defensive reaction is honestly bizarre and this whole thread is full of irrational anger towards someone who doesn't owe any of us anything. The whole "its probably his wifes fault" thing is the most abysmal neckbeard deskchair manchild showcase of toxic masculinity I think i've ever seen.

I explained myself and my position about this constant nit picking that goes on in these posts, in a later post. You of all people such get that. One person, and one person only, said it was due to Wilson's wife. And it became the central point of this thread. As if everyone one said that was the reason. The only thing I find bizarre and childish is the lack of comprehension of that fact. But perhaps I gave this crowd way too much credit for comprehending anything that isn't immediately relavent to their mental process at any given moment. Get it now?

Edited by SteveG - March 08 2021 at 14:11

dr wu23 wrote: Catcher10 wrote: dr wu23 wrote: Catcher10 wrote: dr wu23 wrote: 'Good pop' has been brought up several times in regards to Wilson's new lp.....so I'm curious as to what recent lp's in the last 2 or 3 years qualify as 'good pop'? And how many here think his new one is 'good pop' ,whatever that means?  It's a good question but you can't ask a prog website what is good pop!!  The better question is what pop albums are popular right now, cause I don't really know how to define "good" in music, with the Grammy's coming up soon there you will see what the industry considers "good" music. I could not see TFB being in this list of popular albums, as I have said many times I really don't think it is a pop album, maybe a couple songs if you stretch really hard, but it's more electronic alternative rock music. Is it prog music, not really but SW direction, like it or not is a progressive movement, away from his previous styles or writing (and playing). This album is really his closest to a true "solo" album, since he plays many of the instruments, Mike Oldfield comes to mind as well does Prince. Prince played almost all of the instruments on many of his albums but he's never been considered a true solo artist as there are songs that he used either other musicians or The Revolution to record. Well..I have no faith that the Grammy people would recognize 'good pop'. I think Zappa said once that most wouldn't know good rock music if it bit them in the ass.   I don't hear 'pop rock' either when listening to Wilson's new lp.  I don't listen to the current pop charts so I honestly have no idea what will even be nominated at the Grammy's. 98% hip-hop/rap music 2% country.......I'm sure I'm wrong but not by much  The list...sorry about the link...I never can get links to work...is it this forum's tools or what...? www.grammy.com/grammys/news/2021-grammys-complete-nominees-list#1 I don't own a single lp by anyone on the lists......and it is mostly rap, hip hop, and some country..even the rock.pop  categories dont' sound like rock musicians to me.  So we have the R and R Hall of Shame not inducting Tull, Moody Blues, Iron Maiden, Dire Straits and the Grammy's basically becoming a rap/hip hop fest...

progaardvark wrote: AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: The woman he recently married probably hates prog and is no doubt an influence on his recent pop direction and insulting prog and prog fans. Maybe. You're blaming his wife for his recent album? And for his insulting prog fans??

Future Bites isn't bad, IMO it's pretty good. What it isn't is S Wilson the prescient music genius ushering in the future of first rate pop which is what you might mistake it to be given his snob hardsell. It sounds a bit like the mainstream British music he was listening to in the 90s. Especially 12 Things I Forgot is a sweet melody that could have been on Cathy Dennis' last, criminally underrated solo album Am I The Kinda Girl.

Edited by rogerthat - March 08 2021 at 19:27

rogerthat wrote: On that note, it always amuses me how staid, how careful, indeed how tasteful Wilson is for all his talk of being with the innovators and disdaining the imitators. He specializes in making music that is generally too well put together to dislike. Which also means it isn't really as adventurous as his pitch suggests.

He is a clever chappie but really he has been given this spiel since the late 90's when I read an interview he did for Kerrang and pretty much put himself forward as the future of prog rock. However its a good point made above that his music is hardly 'out there' or experimental in any way whatsoever. He is a polished performer and I'm sure he likes to shift units. I've bought pretty much everything he's done (PT and solo) and there are lots of great albums. He is really at his best when he 'gets his rocks off' like he did with Deadwing and The Raven That Refused To Sing. Those are great modern(ish) heavy prog albums. He knows his stuff but as said by Andy , he can be a bit of a bore. Having an (interesting) personality is not his strong point. Hard work and endeavour though is and I will give him that. IMO.