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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Because the Night is a great, great song, and believe it or not, I didn't know it was co-written by Springsteen and also performed by him live. This was always filed under Patti Smith in my book.


Yes, Christian, Because the night ... belongs to Springsteen.

The song is entirely due to Springsteen because the original version was recorded by Bruce Springsteen during sessions on his album Darkness on the Edge of Town. Patti Smith's group was working on Easter in the studio next to Springsteen's. When Springsteen decided that "Because the Night" would not find a place in his album, he thought of passing it to his colleague, who changed a few verses according to his sensitivity. And she released the song as a single on the Easter album, with great success. Springsteen frequently performed the song at concerts, using its original lyrics without Patti Smith's modifications, but only released the original recording in 2010 on The Promise album (which includes the tracks discarded from Darkness, like Because the Night).


In spite of the few albums released, Springsteen is one of the most prolific songwriters: in the seventies and eighties, for each of his albums he recorded 30-50 songs, and then selected only a dozen for the album. Also for this reason Springsteen played some unreleased songs in concerts, which became legendary. From about twenty years he has started to publish collections with songs recorded and discarded during the sessions, and in some cases (for example for The Promise and The River, the discarded material is often higher than the recorded one).




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Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:

Thanks once again for your invaluable playlist Geo!  You make life so easy, they should build a statue of you in PA or something
  Should we start a collection for the statue?

Yes, thank you George!
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Because the Night is a great, great song, and believe it or not, I didn't know it was co-written by Springsteen and also performed by him live. This was always filed under Patti Smith in my book.


Yes, Christian, Because the night ... belongs to Springsteen.

The song is entirely due to Springsteen because the original version was recorded by Bruce Springsteen during sessions on his album Darkness on the Edge of Town. Patti Smith's group was working on Easter in the studio next to Springsteen's. When Springsteen decided that "Because the Night" would not find a place in his album, he thought of passing it to his colleague, who changed a few verses according to his sensitivity. And she released the song as a single on the Easter album, with great success. Springsteen frequently performed the song at concerts, using its original lyrics without Patti Smith's modifications, but only released the original recording in 2010 on The Promise album (which includes the tracks discarded from Darkness, like Because the Night).


In spite of the few albums released, Springsteen is one of the most prolific songwriters: in the seventies and eighties, for each of his albums he recorded 30-50 songs, and then selected only a dozen for the album. Also for this reason Springsteen played some unreleased songs in concerts, which became legendary. From about twenty years he has started to publish collections with songs recorded and discarded during the sessions, and in some cases (for example for The Promise and The River, the discarded material is often higher than the recorded one).


  Just my two cents, but both a just excellent, it's a killer song and either performer's version is stellar.
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Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:

Thanks once again for your invaluable playlist Geo!  You make life so easy, they should build a statue of you in PA or something

Full-heartedly seconded!
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Please note that my selection was supposed to be Lloyd Cole and the Commotions "Forest Fire" as listed on the voting list above, but the Squeeze song "Last Time Forever" was put in the YouTube playlist instead.  

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Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:

Please note that my selection was supposed to be Lloyd Cole and the Commotions "Forest Fire" as listed on the voting list above, but the Squeeze song "Last Time Forever" was put in the YouTube playlist instead.  


Sorry about that Mike.

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Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:

Please note that my selection was supposed to be Lloyd Cole and the Commotions "Forest Fire" as listed on the voting list above, but the Squeeze song "Last Time Forever" was put in the YouTube playlist instead.  


Sorry about that Mike.

Fixed now.

No problem.  I was going through the list tonight and noticed it.  

Thanks again for putting that playlist together.

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Here's my top 3:

1. Was (Not Was) - "Zaz Turned Blue" - love this sort of blusey/jazzy turn for the band with those excellent guest vocals from Torme.  I had heard a few things from them previously, but not this.  From what I understand, Don Was is always throwing curve balls, so I should check into their music more.  Excellent choice Nickie!
2. The Call - "The Woods" - this is the sort of thing I like from the 80's.  A bit dark and ominous.  Again, this is a band I heard a bit of from time to time, but never really got to know them.  Great selection Geo!
3. Bitter Sweet Alley - "Time to Move" - This one grabbed my attention from the beginning.  Sometimes, you need something like this that you never heard of yet it should have been a big hit.  Great discovery Scott!

Other honorable mentions are The Dead Kennedy's "Holiday in Cambodia" which I couldn't vote for because I already know the song too well.  Same with a-ha's "Manhattan Skyline", my favorite track from them.


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my 3 choices
The Call - The Woods
Lloyd Cole and the Commotions - Forest Fire 
Bitter Sweet Alley - Time To Move
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Finally some votes! Smile
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Boiled in Lead - "The Microorganism" sounds like a mix between so-called alternative rock and folk music (the violin). The singing reminds me a bit of Michael Stipe, also the melody is kind of R.E.M.ish too. I like it, especially with the violin. Towards the end it gets rather dissonant with some very false notes mixed into the sound. Rare Air - "Dee Dee Diddley Bop" has more folk music, containing a bagpipe. Then there is a complex rhythmic structure and what sounds like household objects used as percussion instruments. Very quirky, and I like this a lot more than the previous track. Don Ros - "Ginger An Fred" [sic?] is based entirely on acoustic finger picking guitar. Some of the chords are pretty jazzy. It is good the be reminded that the 80's also contained music like that. Another pleasant listening experience, but the Rare Air track was more fun.

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Nick Cave - "The Carny" is very dissonant and gloomy with unharmonic instruments playing a sort of waltz. The vocals change between singing and reciting (mostly). It should be a strong contender for my part. It would fit well into The Nightmare Before Christmas I imagine. U2 - "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For": I know this one too well, so it won't be a candidate for my points. To be honest I have always have had mixed feelings about U2, and my issue lies mostly with Bono; his sining is a bit too over-the-top for my taste. Suzanne Vega - "The Queen and the Soldier". I never got any further than "Luka", so this song is new to me. Interesting lyrics that I am not sure I fully understand. Musically I think it lacks a bit.

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Squeeze - "Last Time Forever" has some very interesting chord changes, and there is a lot of creativity in the production too. I knew this band only by name, but I really like what I hear. The piano solo made me think of Bowie's "Aladdin Sane" (Mike Garson). It is not as cacophonic of course, but it kind of has a similar feeling. Glass Moon - "Killer at 25" is more straight forward and not really my taste from a melodic and vocal point of view. I like the production and arrangement though - which actually sounds more 70's than 80's to me. At times it reminds me of Queen. Lloyd Cole and the Commotions - "Forest Fire" is very different. Interesting song that I would probably have to hear some times to really get under my skin. I like its rhythmic patterns.
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Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:

Here's my top 3:

1. Was (Not Was) - "Zaz Turned Blue" - love this sort of blusey/jazzy turn for the band with those excellent guest vocals from Torme.  I had heard a few things from them previously, but not this.  From what I understand, Don Was is always throwing curve balls, so I should check into their music more.  Excellent choice Nickie!
2. The Call - "The Woods" - this is the sort of thing I like from the 80's.  A bit dark and ominous.  Again, this is a band I heard a bit of from time to time, but never really got to know them.  Great selection Geo!
3. Bitter Sweet Alley - "Time to Move" - This one grabbed my attention from the beginning.  Sometimes, you need something like this that you never heard of yet it should have been a big hit.  Great discovery Scott!

Other honorable mentions are The Dead Kennedy's "Holiday in Cambodia" which I couldn't vote for because I already know the song too well.  Same with a-ha's "Manhattan Skyline", my favorite track from them.

Thank you!  Glad you enjoyed the band, they are very varied, expect curve balls!  Smile
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I see we are now voting, so here's how it worked out for me, although not everyone is mentioned, as always, there are fine ears here exploring all avenues of music, so thank you to those not individually mentioned as well.

Top Four:  Cristi a-ha, Tancos Boiled In Lead, Lorenzo Nick Cave & dr Wu23 Robyn Hitchcock

Contenders not chosen by the contributors:  Lewian Spliff;  Logan Divinyls; The Anders Sneakers; Mike Squeeze & Cristi Casual Affairs

Sorry to George, too familiar to me, but very happy you brought The Call to attention here. And thank you again for the playlist

Lorenzo, loved your lifetime interludes and accompanying song selections.

After much deliberation, here is how I placed the Top 4, Top 3 voted on.

  1.   Lorenzo:  Nick Cave “The Carny”  This one starts out with a dark, ominous, slightly jarring keyboard (and gets more jarring) and vibes or xylophone, emulating a circus theme, which is, of course, entirely appropriate.  I know of Nick Cave by name, but really only recently have I started to hear his music, with his fantastic “Ghosteen,” release.  Absolutely love this, too.  A dark circus story, chillingly delicious. 

  2.  dr wu23:  Robyn Hitchcock “Wax Doll” Very much a cult favourite, although I know his name haven’t really heard much (that I realized at the time, anyway….where the heck was I?).  Singer/songwriter with band style, thoughtful lyrics, with heavy British accent.  I like the slidy strings that come in, lovely production that lets his words come to the fore.  I will have to check out more of his extensive catalogue, thank you for the intro

3.  Tancos:  Boiled in Lead “The Microorganism” Begins with some twangy guitar and a single male singing, then fiddles join in.  The accompaniment fades to the background during the verses, then swells with the choruses and includes bagpipes sound as well as the fiddles.  This is really such fun, this had totally passed me by, even though I love this kind of music.  Thank you

Honourable mention Cristi:  a-ha “Manhattan Skyline”  A ballad, with the superb vocalist of this band…never heard this before.   The song begins with the known high-end voice of this singer, then goes into a harder-edged vocal and harmonies.  Really interesting production as the song pivots from the sublime to the edgier parts….kind of reflections of a Manhattan skyline, from the tallest heights down to the street level.  I did enjoy the Casual Affairs one a bit more, might have been top 3 for me if it were your choice for the vote. 
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The 1980's
(fifth part)

1985 (again)

1985 was the year I officially became a rock lover. An unforgettable year. 

I have already mentioned Springsteen. Just add that I started buying his tapes and then his records, going backwards, from Born in the USA I moved on to Nebraska (tape) then The River (record) and so on until the debut. I played my father Atlantic City from Nebraska, and The River, the song, both country-folk music, and he, a lover of Verdi's opera, said: 

"Don't you see how he sings? He looks like a herdsman who leads cows to graze."

Confused


Go on.
A cousin of mine, who played drums, played me Suzanne Vega, his debut, and I love it ever since, 

(and in fact in my selection here I've put The Queen and the Soldier, taken from Vega's debut album)

then Brothers in Arms by Dire Straits and I remember that it was the first LP to use expanded versions for the CD which at that time it was a new technology that made it possible to record longer discs. Even today I remember well that some versions of the songs on the CD like Why Worry were drawn in the long run too pedantic and boring.

Then I discovered Queen (greatest hits) and Toto (Toto IV and Isolation)

1985 was the year of Live Aid and of We are the World. I love that song, melodically it is beautiful. I love the video, the duets (Springsteen and Stevie Wonder). I love the Canadian song Tears are not enough too (it's better than We Are the World, thanks to Bryan Adams)

It was the year of Sting's The Dream of the Blue Turtles, Simple Minds' One Upon a Time, U2's Unforgettable Fire, Madonna, Duran Duran, Spandau Ballet, Simply Red, Style Council, Phil Collis, Tears for Fears, Bryan Ferry etc,,,

I re-discovered these songs and these groups in the last decade, and they are all good commercial music.

Italian 45 rpm ranking:
  1. We are the world - USA for Africa [#1]
  2. Into the groove - Madonna [#1, 1985/86]
  3. The wild boys - Duran Duran [#1, 1984/85]
  4. A View to a kill - Duran Duran [#1]
  5. Election day - Arcadia [#1, 1985/86]
  6. Don't you (forget about me) - Simple Minds [#2]
  7. Noi ragazzi di oggi - Luis Miguel [#1]
  8. Una Storia importante - Eros Ramazzotti [#1]
  9. L'Estate sta finendo - Righeira [#1]
  10. 19 - Paul Hardcastle [#1]
  11. The Neverending story - Limahl [#2, 1984/85]
  12. Alive and kicking - Simple Minds [#1, 1985/86]
  13. Questione di feeling - Mina & Riccardo Cocciante [#2, 1985/86]
  14. You spin me round (like a record) - Dead or Alive [#3]
  15. Part time lover - Stevie Wonder [#2, 1985/86]
  16. Ghostbusters - Ray jr Parker [#8, 1984/85]
  17. We don't need another hero - Tina Turner [#2, 1985/86]
  18. Rock me Amadeus - Falco [#2, 1985/86]
  19. Do they know it's Christmas - Band Aid [#1]
  20. Shout - Tears For Fears [#2]
What a great year!



And Italian songwriters?

I discovered De Gregori, especially for this song, La Storia, it's wonderful






Edited by jamesbaldwin - February 25 2021 at 16:33
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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

I see we are now voting, so here's how it worked out for me, although not everyone is mentioned, as always, there are fine ears here exploring all avenues of music, so thank you to those not individually mentioned as well.

Top Four:  Cristi a-ha, Tancos Boiled In Lead, Lorenzo Nick Cave & dr Wu23 Robyn Hitchcock

Contenders not chosen by the contributors:  Lewian Spliff;  Logan Divinyls; The Anders Sneakers; Mike Squeeze & Cristi Casual Affairs

Sorry to George, too familiar to me, but very happy you brought The Call to attention here. And thank you again for the playlist

Lorenzo, loved your lifetime interludes and accompanying song selections.

After much deliberation, here is how I placed the Top 4, Top 3 voted on.

  1.   Lorenzo:  Nick Cave “The Carny”  This one starts out with a dark, ominous, slightly jarring keyboard (and gets more jarring) and vibes or xylophone, emulating a circus theme, which is, of course, entirely appropriate.  I know of Nick Cave by name, but really only recently have I started to hear his music, with his fantastic “Ghosteen,” release.  Absolutely love this, too.  A dark circus story, chillingly delicious. 

  2.  dr wu23:  Robyn Hitchcock “Wax Doll” Very much a cult favourite, although I know his name haven’t really heard much (that I realized at the time, anyway….where the heck was I?).  Singer/songwriter with band style, thoughtful lyrics, with heavy British accent.  I like the slidy strings that come in, lovely production that lets his words come to the fore.  I will have to check out more of his extensive catalogue, thank you for the intro

3.  Tancos:  Boiled in Lead “The Microorganism” Begins with some twangy guitar and a single male singing, then fiddles join in.  The accompaniment fades to the background during the verses, then swells with the choruses and includes bagpipes sound as well as the fiddles.  This is really such fun, this had totally passed me by, even though I love this kind of music.  Thank you

Honourable mention Cristi:  a-ha “Manhattan Skyline”  A ballad, with the superb vocalist of this band…never heard this before.   The song begins with the known high-end voice of this singer, then goes into a harder-edged vocal and harmonies.  Really interesting production as the song pivots from the sublime to the edgier parts….kind of reflections of a Manhattan skyline, from the tallest heights down to the street level.  I did enjoy the Casual Affairs one a bit more, might have been top 3 for me if it were your choice for the vote. 


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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:


Lorenzo, loved your lifetime interludes and accompanying song selections.

After much deliberation, here is how I placed the Top 4, Top 3 voted on.

  1.   Lorenzo:  Nick Cave “The Carny”  This one starts out with a dark, ominous, slightly jarring keyboard (and gets more jarring) and vibes or xylophone, emulating a circus theme, which is, of course, entirely appropriate.  I know of Nick Cave by name, but really only recently have I started to hear his music, with his fantastic “Ghosteen,” release.  Absolutely love this, too.  A dark circus story, chillingly delicious. 


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thanks, thanks a lot.
  Some removed for space. 

 You're very welcome!  I really love his atmospheric ambience, this is obviously way earlier than "Ghosteen," but that grabbed my ear as it was being played about the prog rock stations after it's release in late 2019.  

Also, agreed, for commercial music, the 80's was pretty darned good, as well as some awfully great less-commercial music.  Thank you again for sharing your story.  Smile
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I had a hard time choosing. This is what I ended up with:

The Call - The Woods
The Dead Kennedys - Holiday in Cambodia
Robyn Hitchcock - Wax Doll
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Very nice playlist to listen to! Had to listen to it a couple of times to make my three choices...

- My first choice was the easiest one, a masterpiece: Nick Cave - The Carny
- Second, more surprisingly to myself, but upon subsequent listens: Gnags - Slingrer ned ad Vestergade ; I like the juxtaposition of the catchy and uplifting rhythm and melody of the music with the rather pessimistic lyrics...
- The third one was a bit more difficult: there are several rather perfect pop-rock songs that appeal to me, by The Call, a-ha, Lloyd Cole and the Commotions and Robyn Hitchcoc. But perfect can also be too perfect, to polished, no surprises... Finally I choose a-ha's Manhattan Skyline, which has just a bit more sharp edges than the others and was the greatest surprise of the four.

Zaz Turned Blue and The Microorganism were also applying for the third vote, but well... the podium is too small... The rest wasn't bad at all, on the contrary: this playlist shows that the 80s were far from Dreadful regarding music!

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I know that this is the wrong thread for covers, but since I read about this song this morning and the original is in this poll, I thought I would share.
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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

I know that this is the wrong thread for covers, but since I read about this song this morning and the original is in this poll, I thought I would share.



thank you for that, I liked it, although it's not different from the original. Smile
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