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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

First UK release with Bruford, Holdsworth, Jobson, Wetton. This album, to me, is perfect. It still sounds fresh, the playing and songwriting... killer. What are your thoughts?

I quite agree. There is just something about the soundscape captured here that is and has always been so magical and unique. I remember the first time I ever listened to it (as a new release in 1978) I felt as if I was being sucked into my own totally unique universe--and what was more amazing, the band somehow maintained it over the course of the whole 47 minutes. I was trapped, immersed, and ever so happy. I think it was Jobson's violin and synthesizer landscapes, the whole thing just works: Holdsworth has never been better, more jaw-dropping yet melodically engaging; Bruford is at his absolute peak, and the others just blend together so well. One of my Top 25 albums of the 20th Century, Top 15 Prog albums.

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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Originally posted by wiz_d_kidd wiz_d_kidd wrote:

I like both albums, but the first is my favorite -- mainly because I got to see them play it live in a small club in Boston. I sat a high-top table, adjacent to the left side of the stage, right over the left shoulder of Holdsworth. I had the opportunity to chat with him during pauses -- mainly to light his cigarettes.  I'd light it, he'd take a drag or two, then wedge it between the neck and strings of his guitar where it burned completely down while he played. We repeated the ritual several times throughout the set. He thanked me afterwards.

I'm from the Boston area, and was born a good 10 years after that debut album came out. Words cannot convey my envy for you on that evening, lol. What club, out of curiosity? Paradise lounge?

According to setlist.fm, U.K. played 3 times in Boston in 1978:

1) July 11 - Paradise Rock Club
2) September 11 - Paradise Rock Club
3) October 7 - Orpheum Theatre

I'm not sure how accurate that is, as I definitely wasn't there at the time.

Also, put me down as one of those who consider the first album in my All-Time Top 10. Danger Money is slightly less great.  
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Bruford was absolutely on a roll at the close of the 1970s.....didn't really get into Earthworks until their latter stuff, but ANYTHING Bruford touched anytime in the 70s turned to gold.
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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Originally posted by wiz_d_kidd wiz_d_kidd wrote:

I like both albums, but the first is my favorite -- mainly because I got to see them play it live in a small club in Boston. I sat a high-top table, adjacent to the left side of the stage, right over the left shoulder of Holdsworth. I had the opportunity to chat with him during pauses -- mainly to light his cigarettes.  I'd light it, he'd take a drag or two, then wedge it between the neck and strings of his guitar where it burned completely down while he played. We repeated the ritual several times throughout the set. He thanked me afterwards.

I'm from the Boston area, and was born a good 10 years after that debut album came out. Words cannot convey my envy for you on that evening, lol. What club, out of curiosity? Paradise lounge?


I just listened to a recording on YouTube of their concert in Boston, July 11th, 1978 at the Paradise Theater, and that WAS the concert I attended. (https://youtu.be/mo_2SstPCBo). The Paradise just opened a year earlier, and in those days they had table seating -- so it was more like a lounge than a concert venue. Sometime later they remodeled, removed the table seating, made it standing room only, and renamed it to the Paradise Rock Club. At the time, I had just finished school at Wentworth Institute, and was spending my summer working to save money to go to WPI. Wow, brings back memories!
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This is typically the sort of supergroup of the late 70's that, as gifted as they were, did nothing to help the state of affairs of prog among the weekly press. I, for one, did not care that much about UK and other groups of that era as they did not have a very fresh approach to music and it seems that most of those musicians had fewer inspirations and only seemed interested to do more music as to keep busy and keep the bucks coming in.

Of course this incredible line-up was simply too good to make a bad album, but by the time in their career, these guys were not freshmen anymore (most of them were already professional since the start of decade minimum, so they are seasoned veterans) and this debut album lacks the enthusiasm of the debut album of a group starting out with their very first album. UK's debut album has more of a feeling: "OK, guys!! This group is now together, how can we make an album that the music industry will carry on (or promote) while the talk of the town is about three chord rock tunes?" So the best way I can describe this album is that it is a very professional album, with all the negatives this can imply regarding the artistic integrity.

What strikes right away is the start of their best-known track, In The Dead Of Night, the intro borrows heavily from Genesis' Watchers Of The Skies (and this is no coincidence, right Bill?), even though the rest of the track shifted onto something else just after. It's obvious that the level of the musicianship is enormous in this band, but with the lack of fresh ideas (every passage sounds like someone else), it becomes a bit of a show-off. The major instrument passage sounds again like a cross of Supper's Apocalyptic Watcher. If the first track was energetic, despite sounding borrowed, its alter-ego By The Light Of Day borrows on its predecessor and crosses it on a Yes-like short track where Anderson would've let out all of his testosterone to sound Wetton-like accompanying some disputable Jobson synth sound choices no doubt the CS-80 from Yamaha, that sounds like Asia and the early 80's. Holdsworth's guitar sounds are not exactly suiting my eardrums, either. Presto Vivace sounds like a third grade ELP reprising the lead-off track. Thirty Years is another Asia preview and easily the worst of this album.

The flipside doesn't fare better, starting with Alaska's elongated intro preceding the ELP-like main-body. The instrumental track segues directly into the disastrous Time To Kill, which sounds like Pre-Asia stuff, partly due to Wetton's way over-mixed (and over-rated) vocals. A few acoustic arpeggios, sounding like everyone around at the time, are opening Nevermore, which is butchered instantly by Wetton's uninspired vocals trying to sound like Caravan (Hastings + Sinclair) this time; and quickly the track turns into a piano bar fiasco, with only Holdsworth's guitar to save it from ridicule, Jobson's synth interventions stinking up the place. Just a pure mess, one that would only prove right the punk's laughter. The closing Mental Medication should find a better a third word title in "Needed", because I have no idea why anyone let Wetton sing out soooooo wrong (let's stay polite). This track's vocals are so cringing that you can barely listen to the music itself, first a cross of Yes & ELP, than in its middle section, the two instrumental passages somewhat raises the overall level of the album, but not enough to avoid the album from sinking. When over-professionalism encounters lack of ideas.

I am probably reading too much into this but I thought this deserved to be at least once said. Don't get me wrong: this is an awesome line-up and the musicianship is great. If you plan to belt me for only three stars given, avoid the head and crotch areas Wink

I'll round it up to the upper star out of respect for Bruford and Holsworth. 

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^Three stars ain't bad. Five stars for me. Still love it, and looking forward to the live blu-ray. Machaceck and Minnemann are awesome.
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

This is typically the sort of supergroup of the late 70's that, as gifted as they were, did nothing to help the state of affairs of prog among the weekly press. I, for one, did not care that much about UK and other groups of that era as they did not have a very fresh approach to music and it seems that most of those musicians had fewer inspirations and only seemed interested to do more music as to keep busy and keep the bucks coming in.

Of course this incredible line-up was simply too good to make a bad album, but by the time in their career, these guys were not freshmen anymore (most of them were already professional since the start of decade minimum, so they are seasoned veterans) and this debut album lacks the enthusiasm of the debut album of a group starting out with their very first album. UK's debut album has more of a feeling: "OK, guys!! This group is now together, how can we make an album that the music industry will carry on (or promote) while the talk of the town is about three chord rock tunes?" So the best way I can describe this album is that it is a very professional album, with all the negatives this can imply regarding the artistic integrity.

What strikes right away is the start of their best-known track, In The Dead Of Night, the intro borrows heavily from Genesis' Watchers Of The Skies (and this is no coincidence, right Bill?), even though the rest of the track shifted onto something else just after. It's obvious that the level of the musicianship is enormous in this band, but with the lack of fresh ideas (every passage sounds like someone else), it becomes a bit of a show-off. The major instrument passage sounds again like a cross of Supper's Apocalyptic Watcher. If the first track was energetic, despite sounding borrowed, its alter-ego By The Light Of Day borrows on its predecessor and crosses it on a Yes-like short track where Anderson would've let out all of his testosterone to sound Wetton-like accompanying some disputable Jobson synth sound choices no doubt the CS-80 from Yamaha, that sounds like Asia and the early 80's. Holdsworth's guitar sounds are not exactly suiting my eardrums, either. Presto Vivace sounds like a third grade ELP reprising the lead-off track. Thirty Years is another Asia preview and easily the worst of this album.

The flipside doesn't fare better, starting with Alaska's elongated intro preceding the ELP-like main-body. The instrumental track segues directly into the disastrous Time To Kill, which sounds like Pre-Asia stuff, partly due to Wetton's way over-mixed (and over-rated) vocals. A few acoustic arpeggios, sounding like everyone around at the time, are opening Nevermore, which is butchered instantly by Wetton's uninspired vocals trying to sound like Caravan (Hastings + Sinclair) this time; and quickly the track turns into a piano bar fiasco, with only Holdsworth's guitar to save it from ridicule, Jobson's synth interventions stinking up the place. Just a pure mess, one that would only prove right the punk's laughter. The closing Mental Medication should find a better a third word title in "Needed", because I have no idea why anyone let Wetton sing out soooooo wrong (let's stay polite). This track's vocals are so cringing that you can barely listen to the music itself, first a cross of Yes & ELP, than in its middle section, the two instrumental passages somewhat raises the overall level of the album, but not enough to avoid the album from sinking. When over-professionalism encounters lack of ideas.

I am probably reading too much into this but I thought this deserved to be at least once said. Don't get me wrong: this is an awesome line-up and the musicianship is great. If you plan to belt me for only three stars given, avoid the head and crotch areas Wink

I'll round it up to the upper star out of respect for Bruford and Holsworth. 


Its the fusion aspect of it that interests me, although you have dissected it expertly to be fair! On the subject of Jobson, he was always an Emerson wannabe but that's probably why I like him. They went further down the ELP road with Danger Money which was nearly as good as anything ELP did. Jobson was and still is an immense talent and you have to be to shadow Emerson. I could also say similar things about Moraz and Fritz.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Its the fusion aspect of it that interests me, although you have dissected it expertly to be fair! On the subject of Jobson, he was always an Emerson wannabe but that's probably why I like him. They went further down the ELP road with Danger Money which was nearly as good as anything ELP did. Jobson was and still is an immense talent and you have to be to shadow Emerson. I could also say similar things about Moraz and Fritz.

I'm convinced Trane has a severe allergy to melody. LOL

But seriously, I don't think Jobson's an Emerson "wannabe." His style sounds like what you'd get if you blended Emerson, Wakeman, van der Linden and Lord together. B&H brought the fusion aspect, as that was their forte; J&W brought the prog. Together, they made great music.

(Fritz, though, I agree.)
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^ It's certainly an interesting album chocked full of ideas if not always that original as Sean Trane suggested. However it could arguably also be too full of ideas and so lacks coherency. Danger Money was more symphonic as J&W added a drummer who was more in 'tune' to what they wanted which perhaps was not so much on the side of fusion. That said I still like the debut but it was always a bit of a mixed affair to my ear with no actual direction.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^ It's certainly an interesting album chocked full of ideas if not always that original as Sean Trane suggested. However it could arguably also be too full of ideas and so lacks coherency. Danger Money was more symphonic as J&W added a drummer who was more in 'tune' to what they wanted which perhaps was not so much on the side of fusion. That said I still like the debut but it was always a bit of a mixed affair to my ear with no actual direction.

Yeah, Danger Money is much more focused. The guys sound much more comfortable playing in a decidedly more rock context. Money is aging better, IMO. Bozzio was the kick in the pants they needed! He can play anything but excels at that kind of stuff (see: Zappa).
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Reunion - Live In Tokyo , from 2013 is for me their best .
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