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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 18578 |
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TD has sounded like 17 different bands, so it's almost natural that some people prefer a different sound. The Virgin and Relativity years (along with the soundtracks) have been my favorites since I first heard them. I love anything with Baumann and Schmoelling participating.
The funny thing is I can't listen to Asia. I like tons of non-prog, but when people say "U.K. is the prequel to Asia," what they really mean is "Asia sounds like U.K., if you took the singer and made him do the same thing with other guys, but it's nowhere near as interesting." Even "As Long As You Want Me Here" is a much better song than anything Asia recorded. "Heat of the Moment" has become its own meme.
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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Very good albun but not as good as the debut for obvious reasons. I still listen to it.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37240 |
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I don't know what people mean. I would imagine that different people mean rather different things, although perhaps that is a common conception? I wouldn't like to assume and haven't really looked into it in this case, so I wouldn't want to draw conclusions. I can get why someone would say, in Hugues case, "sounds a bit like the prequel to Asia." It's not a strident claim and frankly we all hear and interpret music rather differently (as we all have different ears and brains) and draw on different associations. Of course commonalities are perpetuated.... As for TD, I definitely appreciate the diversity. It's the debut album that got me majorly into the band and it is different from every other album (at least of which I am aware). Phaedra was my first, and that took me quite a long time to warm up to. Edited by Logan - January 19 2021 at 10:29 |
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I ordered the original UK album on a whim from Columbia House just by reading their little blurb about it and not knowing anything else. I had no idea who was in the band and had never heard of them before (this was back in the 70's remember, and I was a teen-ager at the time). When the 8-track came in the mail, I popped it in right away after a very tiring day at work. I was really tired, so I was laying on my bed and listening the first time and was blown right away without having any preconceived notions. I was actually visualizing the music since I was so tired, and I never forgot the experience. I loved it so much, that when Danger Money came out, I snatched it right up. I remember thinking that it sounded a bit different, but it was still quite obvious that it was the same band (minus Holdsworth of course, but I didn't know that at the time). I loved DM for different reasons, but to me these were always in rotation at the time, and I later discovered the links to Yes, King Crimson and etc. as I really started looking into the music and trying to find more just like it. Coming from a small town, I was the only person that I knew of that owned those albums. I stuck it in my car in the auto shop class and the school burn out (who always played Van Halen and Black Sabbath) was quite excited about it and wanted to know what it was. I don't know if he ever got it though.
Of course, Asia was a big disappointment when it came out, but I was in Italy at the time, and those prog loving Italians just panned it.
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 18578 |
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I know I shouldn't assume, but having seen the same remark for years since the days of mailing lists, that's what I keep going back to...
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20414 |
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well the singer is also the bassist and the main composer in both bands. As for the violinist, he's also the keyboardist. Oh, and the DM UK line-up has got a drummer as well. ![]() OK, let's play it from the other end: obviously by DM's release and tour, Wetton knew he was onto something and took the formula into his next project.
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Makes sense, and I'm sure I've come across that UK/Asia sentiment on more than one occasion having been at this forum for quite some time (though somewhat of a n00b compared to you). ;) Heck, they both even have regional names, although UK might stand for United Klingondom for all I know. Id heard Tangerine Dream music before Phaedra, and liked it as I was very into so-called "New Age" electronica, but Phaedra was my first TD purchase. It was in 2005, I think, that I first heard a track off Electronic Meditation, got the album and loved it. I was just posting about a soundtrack called Under the Skin and am just now realising how similar some of of that music is to music off Electronic Mediation (like "Genesis"). That album in part tickled a certain Pink Floyd (like music from A Saucerful of Secrets) itch. |
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 18578 |
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All songs on Danger Money are credited to Jobson/Wetton. The only song on the first three Asia albums credited solely to John is "Hard on Me" from Astra — the rest are cowrites with Downes and/or Howe, and, on a couple tunes, Palmer.
But no guitarist. They didn't find one to join them in time so they went with the trio approach. I like it that way. ![]()
I'll meet you halfway, because U.K. did disband over their disagreements on how to move forward. Eddie wanted to dial up the prog and make music with a lot of instrumental firepower and longer durations; John wanted a streamlined approach. The non-album demo "When Will You Realize?" appeared on the B-side of "Night After Night." This song is cited as the reason for the breakup. Listening to it, you hear a tune that could be a precursor if you added some clean guitar licks and replaced the Hammond organ line with synths. But even unfinished, it sounds better, especially with Bozzio's fills. After that, John released a solo album and joined Wishbone Ash for their 1981 record Number the Brave. Then came Asia.
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"Danger Money" is one of my all-time favourite albums, never undrestood why UK debut is much more popular.
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 18578 |
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The unreleased third album: Circles Around Uranus. ![]()
The first time I heard TD was The Keep. I'm sitting there, watching HBO circa '84, and the film starts. I'm immediately hooked by the opening theme. I saw the words "Music by Tangerine Dream" and I knew I'd stumbled onto something very special. You're right in that E.M. sounds like nothing else in their discography.
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grantman ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 03 2015 Location: CANADA Status: Offline Points: 732 |
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i only posted about the album danger money it got lumped in with tangerine dream who i am a big fan of, but the comparisions to the debut asia and gtr seem out of place it,s only a album it,s not asia,s alpha not that was a terrible record except for don,t cry and the smile has left your eyes.
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29474 |
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that is a very silly comment
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29474 |
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I do like this album (shocker). The band admitted they were doing ELP 'because ELP were no longer around'. Its actually very original prog and a great follow up to the debut. Eddie Jobson shows why he could be Keith Emerson for a day and we know that Wetton was always Greg Lake's shadow. I'm slightly less convinced about Bozzio as a straight swap for Carl Palmer. Bozzio is actually a more powerful drummer more in the Cozy Powell mode but I suppose that another ELP connection (sort of).
Wetton though was already becoming very conscious that prog had had its day and didn't like the long instrumental sections that dominate much of the album. He even moaned about this is a later Asia interview when all four of them were busy trying to leave behind the whole prog supergroup idea , but while actually still being in a supergroup , if not very prog admittedly. Hilarious when I think back now. |
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Nomadic ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: February 16 2017 Location: Chicago Status: Offline Points: 62 |
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I prefer the three piece UK to the original. My first exposure to the band was Night After Night, and it was love at first listen. It was actually my first time hearing of any of the musicians, and being an aspiring young bass player at the time (now I'm an expiring old one
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 18578 |
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Without a doubt, Bruford (the band) was where Bill wanted to be. He'd "rocked out" for years with Yes, King Crimson, and Genesis (on tour), and he wanted his fusion band to happen before he got sucked into another vox-based project. What do you think of Eddie's Zinc project and The Green Album? Far, far better than Asia. It almost sounds like the next step for U.K. In a sense, it was.
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Loved Zinc and was hoping for a followup in a similar style. Theme of Secrets is a nice soundscapes album, but not what I was hoping for. I recently picked up the reissue of both.
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 43474 |
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Count me in as a recently-converted obsequious U.K fanboy from the U.K. ![]() Edited by Psychedelic Paul - February 01 2021 at 08:53 |
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20661 |
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Good solid prog lp...with an overall rating here of 3.8.....not sure if it's 'more accessible' than the first...the last track is 12 minutes which is longer than anything on the first.
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Ruby900 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 03 2009 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 739 |
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An excellent album - it's only real problems are;
1. No Bruford 2. No Holdsworth 3. Followed the first album But it is great fun!
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