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Dellinger 
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Well, after a while seeing how well rated it is, along with Marbles, I finally goth them both... sort of. I got a few live albums that included both albums in their whole. I was actually disappointed... I don't remember that much, but there wasn't so much to enjoy from them. I think Neverland comes Marbles... now, that song I do love.
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Posted: January 27 2021 at 23:39 |
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Of all the crazy stuff I've delved into, I've still yet to do so with Marillion.
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Posted: January 28 2021 at 01:48 |
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I could hear it. But Brave would be missing Made Again, so it would still be incomplete.
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Posted: January 28 2021 at 02:44 |
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Brave is one of the best Marillion albums. Marbles is elevator music.
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Cristi
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Posted: January 28 2021 at 02:54 |
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must be some very cool elevators you've been in, Marbles is playing there...
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Posted: January 28 2021 at 03:22 |
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Marilliion just aren't for me. Their music sounds like 'prog by numbers' to my ears.
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Posted: January 28 2021 at 03:29 |
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I keep seeing the expression "prog by numbers", I don't know what it means exactly, just that is used negatively.
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Posted: January 28 2021 at 03:45 |
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It comes from the 'painting by numbers' books that used to be around (and probably still are). It implies creating by formula (or recipe, if that makes more sense) rather than chucking a load of ingredients in and seeing what happens, then picking out the best. https://lovebyletterbox.co.uk/products/personalised-paint-by-numbers-canvas?currency=GBP&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&utm_campaign=gs-2020-07-17&utm_source=google&utm_medium=smart_campaign&gclid=Cj0KCQiA3smABhCjARIsAKtrg6Jp0RmvFhLDbZELK26ye12O9c-tiXtefcAxkq9p3lziaU1jxgZQXjsaAs1kEALw_wcB&variant=32776602386514 |
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Cristi
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Posted: January 28 2021 at 03:47 |
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well then, it's a worse insult than I thought and i disagree.
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Posted: January 28 2021 at 03:52 |
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It's not an insult, and it's just my opinion. Plenty of bands, especially the more commercially driven ones (and those forced to by record companies or circumstances) set out to create music for a specific market. Not everyone has the inspiration or the freedom to create whatever they want.
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Posted: January 28 2021 at 03:56 |
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I'm not a fan of Marillion with Hogarth; I detest his singing
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Posted: January 28 2021 at 03:58 |
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how are Marillion commercial? Specific market? What's Marillion's market? They have some of the most loyal fans, and that's about it. They have their own label, they went away from EMI who tried to control them and have their own small label. So yeah, they've been doing whatever they wanted since being on their own.
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Posted: January 28 2021 at 05:09 |
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^true that
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Posted: January 28 2021 at 05:15 |
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Nope, I'm an oldie, I heard it all in date order
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Posted: January 28 2021 at 06:10 |
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I think Brave is a classic. Unlike a lot of other concept albums, I don't think it comes anywhere near close to being overblown. From the Hogarth era, I still think Afraid of Sunlight is their best album and I'm sure I'm a minority opinion on that.
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Posted: January 28 2021 at 06:22 |
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Not a classic, but "overblown mess" might be a bit strong. It's okay and it has its moments, but it doesn't come close to Misplaced Childhood or Clutching at Straws.
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Posted: January 28 2021 at 10:49 |
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Well, if you want to put it in these terms I think both are elevator music. I never understood the hype around Brave (or Marbles), because I too think it's a bit dull, too gently meandering music. I prefer Afraid of Sunlight or Marillion.com over these (maybe less prog, but more to my liking...). They did some other good albums afterwards, but none really excelled, to my ears, regarding previous work.
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Cristi
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Posted: January 28 2021 at 10:54 |
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what hype? Where? I wanna see it. I'd be happy to see people talking positively about Marillion for once. I don't think there is a worse insult for someone's music than calling it "elevator music".
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Posted: January 28 2021 at 11:01 |
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About prog by numbers...
I agree with Cristi here. Marillion has never been about "prog by numbers". They have always gone their own way and generated a diverse fan-base. Some prefer Fish-era, others Hogarth-era, some (like me) like both, but not necessarily everything they produce. The formulaic prog-approach, I hear it in many modern prog bands, but Marillion really have their own distinctive style and sound, also thanks to some very recognizable musicians and singer (which could be at the same time my critique on the band that they didn't sufficiently evolve over time, but that's another discussion...).
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Posted: January 28 2021 at 11:07 |
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When Marbles came out, it was considered by many (and I remember the reviews on DPRP, especially) as a masterpiece. That raises expectations, which,, in my case were not fulfilled with this album. BTW, there is some very good elevator music out there, but regarding Marillion I was expecting (and hoping for) something more energetic and diverse within one and the same album. In that sense, and for me, I think neither Brave nor Marbles are delivering that.
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