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Black Sabbath, the unsung prog trailblazers |
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Tom Ozric ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15926 |
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uduwudu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 17 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2601 |
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Yes sabbath were very progressive. Not in the symphonic prog way but that mix of down tuning, jazz harmonies and using jazz rhythms gave them a distinctive sound. With hyper driven sound slowed down and with songs that had clearly stated content aka another reason why they were not yer classic prog. Wheels Of Confusion with that awesome coda is a go to example of what can be done for heavy rock...
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ClosetothSupperBrick ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 07 2017 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 183 |
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What modern prog bands combine Black Sabbath's type of old school metal/hard rock and prog? I'm looking for recommendations in this very narrow category so I'm not expecting a lot of answers haha. But Black Sabbath's proggy moments are one of my most loved musical styles ever in the history of music. I like metal (70s style, for the most part) and prog, I would like any band that adequately combined them in the BS vein.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 18957 |
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Volume 4 to Sabotage all sound like proto prog metal to me as well as select songs and moments from the first three.
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Maybe not what you are looking for, but I find that the Italian band Blizaro has some of that. From its 2016 Cornucopia Della Mortte album... |
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 18957 |
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Substitute Black Sabbath with Uriah Heep and you get Black Bonzo. Otherwise you are probably looking at stoner type bands. That said, I recommend checking out Temple of the Smoke and Lucifer Was. Also, not exactly modern anymore but in 2000 a band named after a Black Sabbath song called Spiral Architect put out one album called "a sceptic's universe" that might be worth looking into.
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ClosetothSupperBrick ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 07 2017 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 183 |
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@AFlowerKingCrimson - thanks for the suggestions! I wasn't too sure if reviving a thread from 2020 was appropriate for my simple question but I'm happy I had replies regardless
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29495 |
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so true in many respects except that you completely forget Keith Emerson who was already creating something stylistically recognisable as prog with The Nice. Symphonic Prog was born in 1968 with Ars Longa Vita Brevis and never truly changed that much. There was a core to the movement even if in general there were a diversity of artists with many different ideas.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 18957 |
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I don't think anyone cares. As long as the thread isn't closed it shouldn't make a difference. I think typically threads are closed after six months or maybe after a year. Anyway, glad I could help. Also, if you are open to non prog some of the 90's grunge bands are worth looking into especially Soundgarden and Alice in Chains. Soundgarden in particular I know were influenced by BS. Not a whole lot of prog influence in there though but there might be some(I really only know one album by them).
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I would second the Soundgarden and Alice in Chains recommendation. My favourite Soundgarden album (Down on the Upside) is probably simultaneously their most most Sabbath and most prog. Also, the new Sound of Origin album might interest you, too: |
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Mastodon's album, Crack The Skye, sounds like Sabbathesque prog to my ears: |
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Cool, thank you! I've heard the name before but never listened to Mastodon. Seems like a great band just judging by their album art and long songs (haha) |
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EARTH.....if this is not prog, then I'm King Arthur ![]() ![]() |
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After 4 pages .....it seems Sabbath is here on PA as prog related...so what's the deal?
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Thought I had heard every Sabbath song.. Thanks for bringing this one to my attention. I like it.
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Levitating downwards,
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Sabbath has some proggy songs but overall isn't enough to be considered proto prog, because if they are, then that introduces pretty much any and all rock band before them as well.
Where is the line and why do we keep moving it? Is this site realizing there are fewer bands to discuss, so eventually Wu-Tang Clan's 1993 debut will be considered proto-rap-prog because of odd meter rhymed verses? This site has an amazing bandwagon effect of people rationalizing aspects of sounds they'd denounce in another thread lol.
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"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
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Frenetic Zetetic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 09 2017 Location: Now Status: Offline Points: 9233 |
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So does that make Hendrix proto-proto prog as a result?
What about all blues based music before that, is that proto-proto-proto? It's like you guys are looking backwards in hindsight to shoe-horn definitions to fit prog rock while not realizing in the process you're expanding the definition of it into uselessness, because if everything is prog, nothing is.
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"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
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proto-prog or proto-metal are not music genres, they just are early examples of artists bands create something new, sometimes unique that would influence many others (a bit) later. I can't put it simpler than that.
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Frenetic Zetetic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 09 2017 Location: Now Status: Offline Points: 9233 |
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You're right, because what you've explained here literally makes zero logical, let alone rational sense, my friend. Keep arbitrarily deciding something is or isn't a genre or label depending on which way the wind blows. So Sabbath is a metal band that has bits of prog elements here and there; why bother with the label "proto" if it's not a genre, but a description? Where does the line between description and genre begin and end?
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"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
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