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My father (d. 2012) listened mostly to easy listening, sometimes a bit jazzy or modern classical. My mother has, even to this day, little affinity to music whatsoever. I have two brothers: one I have discarded, another listens mostly to folk and sometimes to prog, and the youngest as some affinity to prog, but less than me.

My daughter seems to prefer the Beatles.
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My dad is a big fan of classic rock radio. That's the sort of stuff he grew up with. I know the first band he was into (like many boys in 1978) was Kiss. Later on though he learned a bit about prog since he was in a couple garage bands in the 80s and some of the other players were into Rush and Maiden and Queensryche and stuff like that, and of course listening to the radio long enough he knew about Yes and Pink Floyd and 80s Genesis. After he got done with garage bands I think he went in a more folk singer-songwriter direction with his listening. Lots of James Taylor, David Wilcox, Louden and Rufus Wainright, Jeff Buckley, etc. But he never totally stopped listening to classic rock.
 Mom was never as big into music as Dad, but she also had her own favorites that I've grown to love as well. Heart, Styx, Kansas, Pat Benetar, etc. A bit of Prince of course, and Madonna. And especially Chicago (the 70s hits mainly, and their Christmas CDs). I swear I've known Saturday In The Park longer than I've been alive.
Anyway I started getting into music around middle school. Uninterested in Katy Perry, Lady Antebellum, or Kanye West, I started playing saxophone in 6th grade as well as guitar hero. My private saxophone teacher taught me the blues scale early on (something my piano teacher never mentioned in all my years of lessons), and I quickly discovered I could use that scale to play the riffs to songs I was playing on guitar hero and hearing on classic rock radio.
Anyway a good while later I'm pretty much a classic rock purist (with a solid affection for jazz). Most anything after Nirvana was a non-starter, and anything pop, country, or hip hop was strictly uncool. Not the most open world view but it led me to explore in other directions as my musical appetite grew. As I transitioned into high school my Dad introduced me to Rush. I heard 2112 on Pandora and I was blown away. Later one day Dad came to pick me up from school with a CD of A Farewell To Kings that had just come in from Amazon and the was when I knew Rush was one of my favorite bands (only after Queen). Research led me to find Rush was something called progressive rock (as well as Queen to an extent), and more research over a longer period of time led me to become exponentially more interested in this everything and the kitchen sink sub genre. I quickly became more of a music nerd than my Dad, but I also got him to check out a lot more music than he had before. I even got my Mom to appreciate a bit of Dream Theatre! 

Oh, and I outgrew my aversion to hip hop, pop, and everything that came with grunge and after it. I admit defeat in having ever given country a really fair shot, though I know a few artists I think are decent, but I imagine in time I may find what I like there as well.
Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Manuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 19 2021 at 17:23
My daughter, though certainly has her own taste in music, appreciates some of the prog music I listen to. She is into vocals a lot, specially broadway music and opera, but like many songs by Jethro Tull, Nektar, Deep Purple, etc.
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Humorously enough, my daughter is not too big into prog, some Floyd, a bit of Tull (she plays flute and bass), and that's about it. What we talk about and listen to together is Sinatra, Dave Brubeck, John Coltrane and Louis Armstrong. And her boyfriend is into blues, so I take out my Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf, Son House and Skip James albums and listen to those, as well as jam the blues (he plays guitar also). It's pretty hilarious these 20 somethings are listening to more of my dad's stuff than mine (the ol' man when he was alive could tell you in detail about albums from Gene Krupa, Glenn Miller, Satchmo, Count Basie, Duke Ellington, Charlie Parker, etc.). 

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I don't agree with all of their picks but I think some of them at least could be considered good for the entry level prog fan. None of the ones I know are bad though(just maybe not the best for someone brand new). Some I don't actually know.

Anyway, I don't have children so nothing to talk about there. My dad is only marginally responsible for my discovery of prog in that he had a copy of "the Yes album." I don't think he had anything else that could be considered prog in the strictest sense. He did have "birds of fire" also but that's really more fusion(even if that could be considered prog in the looser sense). I got more into prog through a cousin who was into Genesis but there were even other factors besides him (and my dad)for getting me into prog. I've tried to get my brother(who is older than me)into prog but other than liking some Yes and seeing them and King Crimson in concert with me it never really happened. It's like that expression about leading a horse to water but not being able to make him drink.


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No.  And in fact, I don't come from any kind of serious rock/pop background at all. We did have tapes of Beatles and ABBA at home.  And Santana's Supernatural.  Dad read a glowing review in the papers and bought it. At the time, it felt like a whole other world of music from our vantage point of Indian music. The track Yaleo from that album might be the first time I was exposed to the concept of extended instrumental sections with soloists (there is a piano solo before Santana takes over, sort of like jazz). 

I started getting into rock through a college friend's recommendations in my early twenties.  And by now, stuff like Wiki had happened.  So...I found out that Pink Floyd was called progressive rock. I clicked on the term to read the article about progressive rock and read about bands like Genesis, Yes, etc.  And then I found out about this website.  And one thing led to another...
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Originally posted by triptych triptych wrote:

Most teens today listen only to Porcupine Tree and Radiohead.. that is their idea of alt prog......OMFG !!!


What's wrong with that? I wish teens in the gym would put Porcupine Tree. They will usually put Regaetton or Hip Hop.
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My mother was never all that much into music. Though she did like 70's and 80's pop music, which are some of the first things I got to like. It was my grandmother who had some prog LP's... she particularly liked Focus, specially Hamburger Concerto, and so I got to like that one when I borrowed it. She also had Harmonium, though I don't think she ever payed that much attention to that album... yet I got to love it too thanks to that. And then, she also had, Jetrho Tull's Live Bursting Out and Yes' Relayer (even though I didn't get that much into those ones at the time, it was later on that I looked for those ones too). She also had some other classic rock albums from the 60's and 70's that I borrowed and enjoyed. Among a lot of classical, which is which she really loves most (and I didn't check out anyway).
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I'm 33 and my father is about 70. He saw 'Yes' live in the 70s and I'm still jealous about it.

I was never a jealous person, even as a teenage girl, but when my dad told me he saw Yes live in the 70s, I was jealous of him. And when he said he was too high at the time to appreciate it and didn't really care about the songs they were playing (he was never a big fan) I got bitter and told him that the 70s was wasted on him lol!

Poor dad. Shouldn't have said that, but he laughed about it.
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it occurs to me, quite suddenly, that my uncle had more of an influence on me than my mum and dad. Maybe not necessarily in my choice of what I listened to, so much as in my love for music. My mum’s younger brother was the one who had travelled the world, and been to so many concerts and festivals, and worked at one of the two local AM radio stations. (Apart from the student radio station, we had no FM stations in my hometown when I was growing up.)

I remember voraciously reading all his old music mags, although I paid more attention to the familiar, than the unknown. I knew only Whiter Shade of Pale from Procul Harum, and Nights In White Satin from Moody Blues, but after reading about those songs, and then more, I got into those bands. He was fairly dismissive about the Beatles which is why, I expect, I didn’t listen to them until years later. He was probably responsible for my getting into Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath, too, which would have been the heaviest things in my collection.

He’s deaf now, which must be horrible for someone whose life revolved around music.... 😔

[EDIT] i forgot to mention what prompted me to write this, which was the mention of jealousy in the post above. My uncle had seen several bands I liked, but what I was (and remain) jealous about was his having seen Bowie twice. In the end, he saw Bowie three times, and I saw him once. So I guess I’m not as jealous now as i once was, but there’s still a tinge.....




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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by triptych triptych wrote:

Most teens today listen only to Porcupine Tree and Radiohead.. that is their idea of alt prog......OMFG !!!


What's wrong with that? I wish teens in the gym would put Porcupine Tree. They will usually put Regaetton or Hip Hop.

They could put on some Silent Temple , would be waaaaaay better than PT or RH, which are the poor man's version of "prog" !!!Wink

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Originally posted by triptych triptych wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by triptych triptych wrote:

Most teens today listen only to Porcupine Tree and Radiohead.. that is their idea of alt prog......OMFG !!!


What's wrong with that? I wish teens in the gym would put Porcupine Tree. They will usually put Regaetton or Hip Hop.

They could put on some Silent Temple , would be waaaaaay better than PT or RH !!!

I didn’t see the original post quoted here, but I complete agree with the reply - what’s wrong with that? If PT and Radiohead are the entry levels to prog for listeners today, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. They both stretch listeners beyond the mainstream, and introduce them to something less conventional and more experimental.

I’m not sure there is progressive reggaeton, but as I don’t want to upset my own personal belief that there are artists in every genre who push the boundaries of it, and if not recognised as prog, are still undoubtedly progressive. This definitely is happening in hip hop, which is why Steven Wilson made his (in)famous comment that the only real progressive music these days was occurring in hip hop. I don’t agree that it is the only real progressive music being made, but it is being made. Progressive hip hop is a thing, so I don’t even have a problem with hip hop being the entry point to prog - and if you think it can’t be, you are happily wrong!

I know two people in NZ (one a friend, and one a relation) who pretty much exclusively listened to hip hop and r&b. But since listening to some of the more progressive hip hop that is starting to enter (or at least sit on the fringes of) the mainstream, they themselves have progressed onto other music genres. One has headed towards jazz and fusion sounds, while the other has headed towards prog rock. Neither are people I would ever have expected to move outside their comfort zones, or ever listen to anything other than hip hop and r&b (and there would have been nothing wrong if that were the case, too).

The entry points to prog appreciation are wide and varied. It’s narrow-minded and condescending to imply some are less worthy than others, in my opinion. If you weren’t implying that, and it is merely my inference, I apologise in advance. 😄

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Originally posted by triptych triptych wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by triptych triptych wrote:

Most teens today listen only to Porcupine Tree and Radiohead.. that is their idea of alt prog......OMFG !!!


What's wrong with that? I wish teens in the gym would put Porcupine Tree. They will usually put Regaetton or Hip Hop.

They could put on some Silent Temple , would be waaaaaay better than PT or RH, which are the poor man's version of "prog" !!!Wink

I've never heard of Silent Temple. 
You complaining about people listening to great bands like Porcupine Tree and Radiohead is a bit ridiculous. Youngsters also listen to all sort of progressive metal (extreme prog, blackgaze, retro-prog and so on). To say there is much worse music out there is an understatement. 

Poor man's version of prog? OMG, I guess i'm poor  then. 
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^This. Cristi nails it. Put me in the poorhouse, too.

And, for sure, prog metal (even if it is full of bands which take their Tool and DT influences to dangerously derivative levels) is hugely popular with a lot of younger people - and probably way more so than PT and Radiohead, at a guess. I guess if those who listen to PT and Radiohead are prog poor, those who listen to prog metal are prog bankrupt? 🤔

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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

^This. Cristi nails it. Put me in the poorhouse, too.

And, for sure, prog metal (even if it is full of bands which take their Tool and DT influences to dangerously derivative levels) is hugely popular with a lot of younger people - and probably way more so than PT and Radiohead, at a guess. I guess if those who listen to PT and Radiohead are prog poor, those who listen to prog metal are prog bankrupt? 🤔


Well, after many moons of listening to all types of rock, psych rock, prog rock, pure prog, I can safely say that PORCUPINE TREE and RADIOHEAD suck big time, alright ??? I'm NOT poor in music, if you are, that's your problem not mine....and I confirm the right to state my 2 cents here on any band I like, alright ???! If you don't like what I say, just don't participate...do me a favour !Big smileBig smile


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by triptych triptych wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by triptych triptych wrote:

Most teens today listen only to Porcupine Tree and Radiohead.. that is their idea of alt prog......OMFG !!!


What's wrong with that? I wish teens in the gym would put Porcupine Tree. They will usually put Regaetton or Hip Hop.

They could put on some Silent Temple , would be waaaaaay better than PT or RH, which are the poor man's version of "prog" !!!Wink

I've never heard of Silent Temple. 
You complaining about people listening to great bands like Porcupine Tree and Radiohead is a bit ridiculous. Youngsters also listen to all sort of progressive metal (extreme prog, blackgaze, retro-prog and so on). To say there is much worse music out there is an understatement. 

Poor man's version of prog? OMG, I guess i'm poor  then. 

I cannot be but surprised.....unpleasantly surprised!!    http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=9359



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Originally posted by triptych triptych wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

^This. Cristi nails it. Put me in the poorhouse, too.

And, for sure, prog metal (even if it is full of bands which take their Tool and DT influences to dangerously derivative levels) is hugely popular with a lot of younger people - and probably way more so than PT and Radiohead, at a guess. I guess if those who listen to PT and Radiohead are prog poor, those who listen to prog metal are prog bankrupt? 🤔


Well, after many moons of listening to all types of rock, psych rock, prog rock, pure prog, I can safely say that PORCUPINE TREE and RADIOHEAD suck big time, alright ??? I'm NOT poor in music, if you are, that's your problem not mine....and I confirm the right to state my 2 cents here on any band I like, alright ???! If you don't like what I say, just don't participate...do me a favour !Big smileBig smile

so many things wrong with your post, I don't even know where to begin. Sometimes how you say things is just as important as what you say. 

You can say that "PORCUPINE TREE and RADIOHEAD suck big time", you got the right to say it, I got the right to disagree, right? Just because you don't like them, does not mean we should dismiss them as well. 

pure-prog? I don't know what this means... 

If I don't like what you  say, I just disagree. May I? If this upsets you, you might have a rough time on a discussion forum. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by triptych triptych wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

^This. Cristi nails it. Put me in the poorhouse, too.

And, for sure, prog metal (even if it is full of bands which take their Tool and DT influences to dangerously derivative levels) is hugely popular with a lot of younger people - and probably way more so than PT and Radiohead, at a guess. I guess if those who listen to PT and Radiohead are prog poor, those who listen to prog metal are prog bankrupt? 🤔


Well, after many moons of listening to all types of rock, psych rock, prog rock, pure prog, I can safely say that PORCUPINE TREE and RADIOHEAD suck big time, alright ??? I'm NOT poor in music, if you are, that's your problem not mine....and I confirm the right to state my 2 cents here on any band I like, alright ???! If you don't like what I say, just don't participate...do me a favour !Big smileBig smile

so many things wrong with your post, I don't even know where to begin. Sometimes how you say things is just as important as what you say. 

You can say that "PORCUPINE TREE and RADIOHEAD suck big time", you got the right to say it, I got the right to disagree, right? Just because you don't like them, does not mean we should dismiss them as well. 

pure-prog? I don't know what this means... 

If I don't like what you  say, I just disagree. May I? If this upsets you, you might have a rough time on a discussion forum. 

If you've got relation problems, it's not my problem........no rough time for me......there are too many things wrong here with your post too, you know. I never said i was upset, but some of you here attacked me just because I said I think PT and RH suck, because they do......they are overrated snobbish bands, alright ?? Say what ??! ....ahh and I never said you should dismiss them.....don't put words in my post I never said....alright ??!
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<<I've never heard of Silent Temple. >>

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Originally posted by triptych triptych wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by triptych triptych wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

^This. Cristi nails it. Put me in the poorhouse, too.

And, for sure, prog metal (even if it is full of bands which take their Tool and DT influences to dangerously derivative levels) is hugely popular with a lot of younger people - and probably way more so than PT and Radiohead, at a guess. I guess if those who listen to PT and Radiohead are prog poor, those who listen to prog metal are prog bankrupt? 🤔


Well, after many moons of listening to all types of rock, psych rock, prog rock, pure prog, I can safely say that PORCUPINE TREE and RADIOHEAD suck big time, alright ??? I'm NOT poor in music, if you are, that's your problem not mine....and I confirm the right to state my 2 cents here on any band I like, alright ???! If you don't like what I say, just don't participate...do me a favour !Big smileBig smile

so many things wrong with your post, I don't even know where to begin. Sometimes how you say things is just as important as what you say. 

You can say that "PORCUPINE TREE and RADIOHEAD suck big time", you got the right to say it, I got the right to disagree, right? Just because you don't like them, does not mean we should dismiss them as well. 

pure-prog? I don't know what this means... 

If I don't like what you  say, I just disagree. May I? If this upsets you, you might have a rough time on a discussion forum. 

If you've got relation problems, it's not my problem........no rough time for me......there are too many things wrong here with your post too, you know. I never said i was upset, but some of you here attacked me just because I said I think PT and RH suck, because they do......they are overrated snobbish bands, alright ?? Say what ??! ....ahh and I never said you should dismiss them.....don't put words in my post I never said....alright ??!

How do I have "relation problems"? Confused
Who's attacking you? Or disagreeing and attacking is the same thing for you? Confused
What's a snobbish band? 


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