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Interactive Poll #01/2021: Protest (+ Folk) Songs
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Poll Question: Choose three selections
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
5 [13.89%]
1 [2.78%]
3 [8.33%]
5 [13.89%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
6 [16.67%]
3 [8.33%]
0 [0.00%]
1 [2.78%]
3 [8.33%]
4 [11.11%]
5 [13.89%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
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Anything by Leon Rosselson or Roy Bailey would fit, just a couple of examples:




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^ second video does not work, please re-post/edit to make it work. 
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Edited, both working for me.
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Originally posted by Ronstein Ronstein wrote:

Edited, both working for me.

well, it does not work for me. How am I supposed to listen to your song, possibly vote for it if I cannot listen to it?

If you have not understood what we are doing with these interactive polls, read the original post carefully or ask Lorenzo (jamesbaldwin). 


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Both videos added in exactly the same way, so why one works and one doesn't, I have no idea!

This is the url - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TlFwX01rk4
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Originally posted by Ronstein Ronstein wrote:

Both videos added in exactly the same way, so why one works and one doesn't, I have no idea!

This is the url - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TlFwX01rk4


Not working at all. 
try another video/another link, please
what's the artist/song? 
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Leon Rosselson - Plan. Could it be a regional thing??
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Originally posted by Ronstein Ronstein wrote:

Leon Rosselson - Plan. Could it be a regional thing??


I don't know.
I've been asked in this polls to re-post throughout the polls. I wonder if others have the same problem. 
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Are you able to Google that video on YouTube?
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Originally posted by Ronstein Ronstein wrote:

Are you able to Google that video on YouTube?

I did



is that it? 
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That's the right song, different video though. All very odd!!
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^ Actually, it's not odd at all. This is all copyrighted material we offer here and it is just how copyright licensing works: a license is often restricted to a specific geographical (or linguistic) region. Outside of that region one will need another licence... or something will just not be visible.

The video doesn't work for me either, but the one Cristi found does (thanks!).

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In the mean-time I added a second song to my original post: Têtes Raides/Noir Désir - L'iditenté (no, I didn't misspell, read the post ;).

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If there's time ,,,,my second choice...or maybe first  ;)
Live version with a nice folk edge to it.
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My out of competition song is Gnags - Burhøns (Caged chickens), 1979
Lyrics and English translation: http://docdroid.net/fHHALtD/burhoens-pdf




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First thoughts on Page Three Entries:

Cristi:  New Model Army “I Love The World”  Begins with a long fade-in, this is a pretty hard-hitting rock song.  This one seems to be protesting the concretization of the world, so an ecological protest song, maybe with a bit of anti-nuclear war thrown in, at least from what I can gather from the lyrics.  Olympic '64 Dorin Liviu Zaharia “Cantic De Haiduc”  This one sounds like an older recording, basic rock ensemble, but with some organ underneath.  I can’t find a translation for the lyrics, but looking up the band, they also did a rock opera, with lyrics by Dante Alighieri and Rabindranath Tagore, which would likely be very interesting (and confirmed my take on this being a much earlier recording that that of New Model Army.

George:  Algiers “Dispossession”  This one is more of a soul piece, really enjoy the vocalist and the chorus is gorgeous.  This is a protest against the dispossession of minorities in America, very spirited piece, the choral singers are in a gospel vein.  I really like this one a lot!  David Baerwald “Got No Shotgun Hydrahead Octopus Blues” Here’s another hard-hitting social commentary piece, this guy pulls no punches.  Rough-edged voice, snaggy organ and ragged guitars embellish this song.  Bravo to both of these.   (out of competition) YG featuring G Eazy & Macklemore “FDT”  Gotta say, I quite agree!  Anti-45 rap, stating all the reasons why I quite agree.  More so than ever, today.

Lewian:  Scala 3 “Kein Ende”  There is a lightness in the music to this, and in the singer’s voice,  which belies the lyrics, I am sure it is sarcastic in nature to be so.  Nonetheless, it is indeed chilling were it to be taken seriously (which I am sure some, might, sadly).    It is a little difficult to discern the intent of the piece, at least to me, so I do hope it is indeed sarcastic.  Cpt. Kirk &  “Racist Friend”  This is done in a sing-song style, with heavy bass, drums and guitars at a slow pace.  This one definitely leaves no doubt as to what they are suggestion one do.   (out of competition)  Extrabrei “Polizisten”  This one has an ominous feel as well as the previous one did, with bass and drums accompanying the vocalist before crunching guitars and keys come in.  This one is about the ubiquitous presence of police, always watching.  Suitably dark for the subject matter, with the chorus being stridently sung as a warning to all. 
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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Nice poll theme Thumbs Up  And I like both your introductions / contextualizations (Nick and Lorenzo).

When I read of this poll's theme I was immediately thinking of some old stuff by the Kurt Weil / Bertold Brecht or the Hanns Eisler / Bertold Brecht combos. I especially like the music of Hanns Eisler, a student of Arnold Schönberg. So my first choice is Solidaritätslied (Solidarity Song).

There are different versions of this song, but I prefer one of the original recordings, sung by the great Ernst Busch and the (small) orchestra is conducted by Eisler himself, but also because it starts off with a musical introduction, while later versions start immediately with the refrain. Written and composed in the context of the Great Depression, the waning Weimar Republic and upcoming fascism, it is catalogued by Wiki as "industrial folk music"...
The lyrics are thus written by Bertold Brecht, the music composed by Hanns Eisler (in 1931) and this version sung by Ernst Busch is also featured in Slatan Dudow's film Kuhle Wampe.

Solidaritätslied (Solidarity Song) - Hanns Eisler (music), Bertold Brecht (text), sung by Ernst Busch:



The lyrics, both English translation as original German lyrics, can be found here (the above version is referred to as the "version close to the film")

EDIT: addition of 2nd song

My second submission is a song composed by Têtes Raides and Noir Désir in 2000, written by the singer of Têtes Raides, Christian Olivier: L'iditenté (rightly spelled the title should be "L'identité" but there are some word plays and intentional misspellings in the lyrics). I very much like both bands, also because they have often very poetic lyrics. This song is against the French/European/Western countries attitude regarding immigration: after having colonised half of the planet and exploited countries that were not ours we now refuse to help people coming from those countries to ours...

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Strange combination between the first and the second piece but the second is the best (for my tastes) that I have listened until now.

Strong contender.


 


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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

If there's time ,,,,my second choice...or maybe first  ;)
Live version with a nice folk edge to it.



Well, I dont know if I prefer the studio version or this live version, anyway I appreciate your choice:

two (the first is by Roy Harper) melodic folk songs conducted by the acoustic guitar and the vocals, 

a choice genuine, simple and direct, based on the beauty of the melodies.

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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

As Lorenzo said, we could add a third, out of competition piece.  This one is by Charlie King, from 1979.  It is about the 1957 Yucca Flats Big Smokey Atomic Test about a young army corporal who was there, on orders from the government.  There is much more to this story, he ended up with cancer and was initially denied assistance from the Veteran's Administration, although they eventually did approve it, yet never admitted it's likelihood from having been at that test. 

Link to Lyrics:  https://www.antiwarsongs.org/canzone.php?lang=en&id=12843

1) Tom Rapp - Fourth Day Of July.

Interesting folk piece prog-related, with a simple but sophysticated arrangement, and an 
atmosphere relaxed but only in the surface. Good song.


2) Cheryl Wheeler: beautiful voice, but she doesnt sing! WinkIt's a strange song, an electric rap-folk?


OUT OF COMPETITION

Charlie King's song: oh well, here we are in an field between John Denver and Phil Ochs. The quintessence of American folk.


Edited by jamesbaldwin - January 07 2021 at 18:33
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:



1) Tom Rapp - Fourth Day Of July.

Interesting folk piece prog-related, with a simple but sophysticated arrangement, and an 
atmosphere relaxed but only in the surface. Good song.


2) Cheryl Wheeler: beautiful voice, but she doesnt sing! WinkIt's a strange song, an electric rap-folk?


OUT OF COMPETITION

Charlie King's song: oh well, here we are in an field between John Denver and Phil Ochs. The quintessence of American folk.
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Thank you for your thoughts.  Rapp does have a very pleasant voice, usually, although in his early days he did do a few ones more in this kind of style, on other recordings.  I love his way with lyrics.

Cheryl Wheeler indeed does have a gorgeous voice.  In this one, she sort of used a rap-folk form to present her thoughts as they came to her while she was driving when she heard the news of that particular shooting.  She usually vacillates between really funny songs and really serious, beautiful ones, with some very political pieces like this one.

The Charlie King song I knew from several folk singers in the Santa Cruz area during my time there in the late 70's/early 80's, they would cover this one, especially poignant since so many of them also protested along the lines of the "No More Nukes," concert, with the Diablo Canyon Power Plant right down the road, in San Luis Obispo County.


All three of my selections were indeed, very American in nature.   
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