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Interactive Poll #01/2021: Protest (+ Folk) Songs |
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jamesbaldwin 
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 Topic: Interactive Poll #01/2021: Protest (+ Folk) SongsPosted: January 04 2021 at 04:06 |
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And here's to you the poll on the Protest songs. - How many songs should I choose? Please choose two songs with a maximum total length of 12 minutes. You can choose them from the same artist or from two different artists. - How are these songs supposed to be? If you can, the ideal would be to choose protest songs. With "protest songs" I mean songs with a social, political, ecological theme etc. You decide when a song can be considered a protest song. You can choose protest songs of any musical genre: folk, rock, jazz, electronic music etc. You can also choose them within Progarchives as long as they are taken from albums with less than 100 ratings. - What if I can't find the protest songs? You can participate anyway by inserting folk songs. By folk I mean American, Canadian, English, Irish folk but also the folk or ethnic music of every nation (Japanese, Turkish, Danish, German, Italian etc). This music can be played both with traditional acoustic instruments and with electric or electronic instruments, as long as it is folk. Peter Gabriel's world music is also good, that is songs that combine ethnic music or instruments from different countries (like Scottish bagpipes in a song played with African rhythms). You can also choose folk songs within Progarchives, in these categories: Prog folk, Proto-prog, Prog-related, as long as they are taken from albums with less than 100 ratings. - Let's see if I understand: If I participate with U2's Sunday Bloody Sunday and Stormy Six's Stalingrado, featured here in PA in the album "Un biglietto del tram" is it okay? That's fine! They are two protest songs, and the second is allowed because it is taken from a Progarchives album with less than 100 ratings. - Wait, let me give you another example. If I participate with Suzanne Vega's Luka and John Denver's Thank God I'm a Country Boy, Is it okay? That's fine! The first is a protest song, because it is about violence against children, the second is an American folk song. - Let me give you one more example. If I participate with Have I Told You Lately That I love You, sung by Chieftans and Van Morrison, and with Monte Seris by Bitti's Tenores, featured in Peter Gabriel's World Music, is that okay? That's fine, because they are two folk songs, the first Irish, the second Sardinian (from the Italian island of Sardinia). Well, the second (only vocals) is so hard... ardous...  but it's ok!(If there is any of my Sardinian compatriots in the forum: please, do not kidnap me, do not lock me in a cave of the Gennargentu montain, I am joking!  )- Do I have to write the lyrics of the two songs? --------> EDITED: Yes, very good, but it's better to insert a link to the original lyrics (there is the copyright). If the language is not English, you can write here the translation. Even if they are not protest songs. So instrumental songs are not allowed. - Can I post other songs besides the two requests? You can report another one, only one, specifying that it is out of the competition, for the pleasure of making it known to the participants, as long as it is a protest song with the text, and you can get it from wherever you want, even in Progarchives. Thanks, now it's clear. ----- Hope so!!!
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Posted: January 04 2021 at 04:14 |
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My selection: two protest songs by "Les Anarchistes", taken from the album: "La Musica Nelle Strade".
Les Anarchistes is a musical project undertaken in 2001 by Nicola Toscano and Max Guerrero together with some musicians and singers from northern Tuscany and southern Liguria, in particular from the city of Carrara, the Italian anarchist city par excellence. The group takes its name from the title of the song by Léo Ferré, explicitly states the fundamental theme of the song lyrics, that is anarchy, declined first and foremost through the reinterpretation of popular songs of the local and national anarchist tradition. Since their recording debut, which took place in 2002 with the album "Figli di Origine Oscura" (Sons of dark origin), Les Anarchistes have established themselves among the best novelties of the Italian music scene, in particular by obtaining the Ciampi 2002 award for best debut album, and performing concerts in all Italy. In 2005, however, the group's second album, "La Musica nelle Strade!" (Music in the streets!), made in part inside the Volterra prison with La Compagnia della Fortezza directed by Armando Punzo, accompanied by a libretto entitled "Music in the streets Canti di freedom in the era of biopolitics "written by Marco Rovelli, singer and author of the group, who exposes the conceptual path of the album in a non-fictional and philosophical key, or rather places of confinement as a metaphor for today's society. Here's to you two songs taken from "La Musica Nelle Strade!" 1) Les Anarchistes (featuring Petra Magoni): The Ballad of Sacco & Vanzetti (written by Ennio Morricone and Joan Baez) LYRICS: "....The shameless lies that men have told Will ever more be paid in gold Against us is the power of the gold! Against us is racial hatred And the simple fact that we are poor My father dear, I am a prisoner Don't be ashamed to tell my crime The crime of love and brotherhood And only silence is shame With me I have my love, my innocence The workers, and the poor For all of this I'm safe and strong And hope is mine Rebellion, revolution don't need dollars They need this instead Imagination, suffering, light and love" 2) Les Anarchistes (featuring Moni Ovadia): Pishkù Li Les Anarchistes entrust this heartbreaking song in Hebrew to the voice of Moni (Salomon) Ovadia. He himself explains: "It is a paraliturgical chant of the Khassidic repertoire. The iterated text is verse 19 of David's psalm 118, this type of chant was sung by the Khassidim as they led them to the gas chambers." LYRICS: "Pishkù li sharey tsedek. Avo vam": Open me the doors of justice. I will enter it. EDIT In my opinion these two songs are remarkable especially for the vocal performance of the singers: Petra Magoni's singing lives up to Joan Baez's, while Moni Ovadia's Kletzmer-style singing I consider it simply exceptional.
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Posted: January 04 2021 at 04:35 |
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”Parihaka”, by Tim Finn & Herbs Parihaka immediately comes to my mind. It’s something we learnt in history at school in New Zealand, but only if we chose to take history as a subject. And yet, so much of Aotearoa’s history should be taught to all New Zealanders. In recent years there has been a growing call for 5 November to be a day of remembrance for more local history, than that which occurred halfway around the world - and that is something I fully support. What’s interesting in a way, is that for many Kiwis, their first knowledge of what happened at Parihaka will have been down to a Pakeha - Tim Finn. I see a lot of people at the moment saying if we share anything, it should be from a black source. While I understand the sentiment, if the message is the same, I don’t think it matters too much - and perhaps those who are more inclined to listen to a white voice, might learn something. If white privilege breaks through the barrier, and gets someone to recognise Black Lives Matter, then that is surely a good thing. If you don’t know about Parihaka (and, chances are, if you’re not a Kiwi, you won’t), then Wikipedia is as good a place as any to get the gist. This link fast forwards to the conflict of November, but feel free to read more. Remember, remember the 5th of November. The day 1600 armed troops murdered the peaceful Māori villagers of Parihaka just to claim land. When these soldiers marched in, the people of Parihaka sat quietly on their marae, as singing children greeted the force, this would be one of the worlds first recorded non-violent resistance from native people against colonization. Sadly this was a one-sided brutal fight from the English as the people of Parihaka were either arrested, raped or murdered by these soldiers as they destroyed the village, evicting its inhabitants. [Full lyrics redacted, but you can find them easily by Googling] My friend, My friend, I hate to see you suffer Events conspire to bring us to our knees My friend, my friend, you've taken this the wrong way Rise up, defend yourself, never give in Look to the sky, the spirit of Te Whiti The endless tide is murmuring his name I know Te Whiti will never be defeated And even at the darkest hour His presence will remain I'll sing to you the song of Parihaka [Snip] Come to Parihaka Weep for my lost brother The spirit of nonviolence Has come to fill the silence Come to Parihaka ”French Letter”, by Herbs After some thought, I decided to stick with Herbs for my second nomination. Tim Finn did well to duet with Herbs on Parihaka, as their Māori heritage and great renown for songs of protest no doubt added clout and credence. Herbs were one of New Zealand's first reggae bands to compose original songs, often political, exploring important New Zealand issues such as New Zealand's anti-nuclear stance, the Rainbow Warrior affair, and Māori land rights. The 1982 single “French Letter” might have been upbeat and cherry sounding, but it was an overt and charged protest against French nuclear testing in the Pacific. It was successful in the charts, and remained so connected in the New Zealand consciousness, that when the French government announcing plans to resume nuclear testing in the Pacific, the song charted again when re-released in 1995. It’s not actually a song I particularly like, though I am onboard fully with its message. There are many Herbs songs I like more, but none had quite the impact in New Zealand as “French Letter” (even if they had greater impact in the charts). [Full lyrics redacted, but you can find them easily by Googling] [Snip] Do you know what makes the ocean glow Do you know what makes the ocean glow When unwelcome guests, are making nuclear tests Are making nuclear tests, are making nuclear tests Are making nuclear tests [Snip] Let me be more specific, get out of the pacific Ki te la pacific, get out of the pacific Ki te la pacific Edited by nick_h_nz - January 04 2021 at 13:07 |
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jamesbaldwin
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Posted: January 04 2021 at 05:40 |
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Nick, if you found another song (protest song or folk song) you would partecipate to the poll with your selection.
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Posted: January 04 2021 at 06:26 |
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Yes, I know. But it was Parihaka that was the first to spring to mind. There are a myriad of others contending to be my second nomination, and I’ve not narrowed it down yet. Sorry. |
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Posted: January 04 2021 at 08:20 |
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Nice poll theme  And I like both your introductions / contextualizations (Nick and Lorenzo).When
I read of this poll's theme I was immediately thinking of some old
stuff by the Kurt Weil / Bertold Brecht or the Hanns Eisler / Bertold
Brecht combos. I especially like the music of Hanns Eisler, a student of
Arnold Schönberg. So my first choice is Solidaritätslied (Solidarity
Song). There are different versions of this
song, but I prefer one of the original recordings, sung by the great
Ernst Busch and the (small) orchestra is conducted by Eisler himself, but also because it starts off with a musical introduction,
while later versions start immediately with the refrain. Written and
composed in the context of the Great Depression, the waning Weimar
Republic and upcoming fascism, it is catalogued by
Wiki as
"industrial folk music"... The lyrics are thus written by
Bertold Brecht, the music composed by Hanns Eisler (in 1931) and this
version sung by Ernst Busch is also featured in Slatan Dudow's film
Kuhle Wampe. Solidaritätslied (Solidarity Song) - Hanns Eisler (music), Bertold Brecht (text), sung by Ernst Busch: The lyrics, both English translation as original German lyrics, can be found here (the above version is referred to as the "version close to the film") EDIT: addition of 2nd song My second submission is a song composed by Têtes Raides and Noir Désir in 2000, written by the singer of Têtes Raides, Christian Olivier: L'iditenté (rightly spelled the title should be "L'identité" but there are some word plays and intentional misspellings in the lyrics). I very much like both bands, also because they have often very poetic lyrics. This song is against the French/European/Western countries attitude regarding immigration: after having colonised half of the planet and exploited countries that were not ours we now refuse to help people coming from those countries to ours... The original French lyrics can be found underneath the video on youtube. What follows is my translation - I tried to keep a bit of the poetics of the original, which is not easy (will delete this once the poll is over) : Identity <snip> Edited by suitkees - September 06 2021 at 03:50 |
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Posted: January 04 2021 at 08:43 |
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To help understanding and voting, I would ask you, dear friends, to post both songs that make up your selection (the ones to be voted on) in the same message.
After, if you want, you can add another protest song out of the competition, on another comment.
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Posted: January 04 2021 at 09:40 |
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I have edited my post to include two songs. Sorry for any confusion. I didn’t realise they needed to be in the same post. |
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Posted: January 04 2021 at 09:51 |
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I thought of four very quickly. Two are "Ohio" (Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young song) and "Universal Soldier" (Buffy Sainte-Marie), but I think I'll go with "Shipbuilding" and "I Was Only 19".
"I Was Only 19" is a first-person telling about an Australian's soldier's experience in Vietnam, and the effects of Agent Orange. Redgum - "I Was Only 19": A middle verse: "...And then someone yelled out "Contact" And the bloke behind me swore We hooked in there for hours Then a God almighty roar And Frankie kicked a mine The day that mankind kicked the moon God help me - he was goin' home in June..." (Redgum). Full lyrics: https://genius.com/Redgum-i-was-only-19-a-walk-in-the-light-green-lyrics "Shipbuilding" (lyrics by Elvis Costello) is well-known both for the Robert Wyatt sung version and Elvis Costello's, but I decided to go for a quite modern cover version (there are many great covers of this song). "Shipbuilding" is a reaction to the "Falkland's War" of 1982, which was a conflict between Argentina and the UK that lasted ten weeks Suede - "Shipbuiding" A middle verse: "...It's just a rumor that was spread around town A telegram or a picture postcard Within weeks they'll be re-opening the shipyard And notifying the next of kin Once again..." (Elvis Costello) Full lyrics: https://genius.com/Elvis-costello-shipbuilding-lyrics By the way, we do a have policy that prohibits posting full lyrics due to copyright/ intellectual property reasons without the artist/ copyright holder's permission, although excerpts are fine. Instead I have linked to the lyrics and included a verse from each (and the Redgum video includes lyrics). Edited by Logan - January 04 2021 at 10:39 |
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Posted: January 04 2021 at 10:55 |
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I decided on two protest songs since I was thinking about
conducting a folk music poll sometime in the future. I have chosen a
Swedish and a Danish one. Hoola Bandoola Band - Vem kan man lita på? (Whom can one trust?), 1972 Lyrics and English translation: http://docdroid.net/OQ5soq7/vem-kan-man-lita-pa-pdf Tv-2 - Kom lad os brokke os (Come let us complain), 1995 Lyrics and English translation: http://docdroid.net/YrGx1Gm/kom-lad-os-brokke-os-pdfEdited by The Anders - January 04 2021 at 12:44 |
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Posted: January 04 2021 at 11:03 |
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NOTE: We have a policy against posting full lyrics at this site if you don't have express permission from any copyright holders or the artists. It's better to post a link -- I think excerpts if cited properly might be okay.
Please see this topic and edit posts accordingly: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51801 Edited by Logan - January 04 2021 at 11:10 |
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Posted: January 04 2021 at 11:06 |
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Here are a couple of protest-type songs, both completely different from one another. #1 Ben Harper - "How Miles Must We March" ___________________________________________ #2: Bigelf - "Money It's Pure Evil" Edited by TCat - January 04 2021 at 11:19 |
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Posted: January 04 2021 at 11:07 |
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I would have to create some links of my own then, because I don't think there are any English translations out there.
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Posted: January 04 2021 at 11:10 |
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Thank you, Greg, now I edit.
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Posted: January 04 2021 at 11:13 |
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^^ It's tricky. I would think that your own translation in this context would be fine with a link to the original language lyrics. If it's a problem and someone complains tell them to contact me (I have a team of crackpot lawyers* ready to deal with any personal litigation).
*that is if cracked pots can be called lawyers. ^ And sorry to be the bearer of this. I would like to be able to post full lyrics too, but I understand the legal issues around it (and even fair use/ fair dealing practices vary from one country to another). Edited by Logan - January 04 2021 at 11:16 |
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^Is this prejudice against cracked pots? It's time to unite all of the cracked pots!
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Do you happen to know a place where I can put the lyrics up as a pdf file by any chance?
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You could try OneDrive or Google Drive. |
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Posted: January 04 2021 at 12:02 |
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I created pdf files with the lyrics. I hope they work.
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Maybe you're redoing it, but I get a 404 error on your first pick (document has been deleted) and the second works beautifully and looks very good. Sorry for any hassle y'all. |
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