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SteveG
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Posted: December 30 2020 at 10:18 |
lazland wrote:
SteveG wrote:
lazland wrote:
SteveG wrote:
I recall watching a TV program on infections and viruses some years ago that stated that mutations were the results of efforts to contain the virus or infection actually being successful. Viruses need to survive and as long as they prosper, there is no need for them to mutate. Now, how much of this is undisputed fact I can't say, but perhaps it proves that the lockdowns were effective. |
Absolutely, it does perhaps show the lockdowns to have been effective, but, in my opinion, in the long run, causing more harm than good in terms of the virus as well as the economic, social, and mental costs.
If the virus had not needed to mutate in this way, then it would not have done so, and alternative strategies to deal with lurgy when it was a plodding, rather than super as it is now, spreader might have been better. To be fair, I have consistently argued for this, so it is not merely the benefit of hindsight. | But it seems like a case of 6 of 1 or a half dozen of the other. The virus was a super spreader before mutating. If left alone it would have had the same bad outcome and hence, no need to mutate. |
And that is where we diverge somewhat. A more effective virus means more people get infected, and at a faster rate, and it is clearly becoming better at spreading despite restrictions and lockdowns.
Beforehand, it did not appear to be that viral, excuse the pun. I quoted Qatar’s extensive testing regime before, and that suggested only 11% of the population had caught the thing, and that does not strike me as being atypical. |
The thing is Laz, is that the original virus is as viral as viral can be in the States. We are into the projected second wave with the original virus here and are bracing for it's mutant offspring. There is no lesser virus here, original or extra crispy.
Edited by SteveG - December 30 2020 at 12:55
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Lewian
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Posted: December 30 2020 at 12:54 |
@lazland: I think a proper scientific answer can only be that we don't know. Mutations happen all the time, not only when the virus needs to adapt to a lockdown or something. So I'd be surprised if you were right; surely without lockdowns and restrictions it wouldn't have been impossible at all that a new variant like this comes up, but I can't rule it out, and generally science cannot make reliable statements about "what would've happened had this-or-that thing been done differently".
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chopper
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Posted: December 31 2020 at 05:56 |
lazland wrote:
Cosmiclawnmower wrote:
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I hope that both of your tests come back negative. |
Thanks, yes mine came back a few hours ago, negative luckily.. phew..
Have you heard yet Chopper?
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Great news, and thank you very much  |
My wife and I both tested negative, thanks.
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SteveG
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Posted: December 31 2020 at 06:30 |
Wonderful news! Congratulations!
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rogerthat
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Posted: December 31 2020 at 06:59 |
chopper wrote:
lazland wrote:
Cosmiclawnmower wrote:
lazland wrote:
I hope that both of your tests come back negative. |
Thanks, yes mine came back a few hours ago, negative luckily.. phew..
Have you heard yet Chopper?
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Great news, and thank you very much  |
My wife and I both tested negative, thanks. |
Great, congrats!
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geekfreak
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Posted: December 31 2020 at 07:58 |
Tier 4 Thanks for absolutely nothing Doris you Clown
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Cosmiclawnmower
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Posted: December 31 2020 at 14:21 |
chopper wrote:
lazland wrote:
Cosmiclawnmower wrote:
lazland wrote:
I hope that both of your tests come back negative. |
Thanks, yes mine came back a few hours ago, negative luckily.. phew..
Have you heard yet Chopper?
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Great news, and thank you very much  |
My wife and I both tested negative, thanks. |
Thats great news  and here's wishing us all a better year in 2021.
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lazland
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Posted: December 31 2020 at 15:15 |
Cosmiclawnmower wrote:
chopper wrote:
lazland wrote:
Cosmiclawnmower wrote:
lazland wrote:
I hope that both of your tests come back negative. |
Thanks, yes mine came back a few hours ago, negative luckily.. phew..
Have you heard yet Chopper?
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Great news, and thank you very much  |
My wife and I both tested negative, thanks. |
Thats great news  and here's wishing us all a better year in 2021. |
Yep, great news. With any luck, 2021 will see us at a Pendragon show.
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Cosmiclawnmower
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Posted: December 31 2020 at 16:07 |
lazland wrote:
Cosmiclawnmower wrote:
chopper wrote:
lazland wrote:
Cosmiclawnmower wrote:
lazland wrote:
I hope that both of your tests come back negative. |
Thanks, yes mine came back a few hours ago, negative luckily.. phew..
Have you heard yet Chopper?
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Great news, and thank you very much  |
My wife and I both tested negative, thanks. |
Thats great news  and here's wishing us all a better year in 2021. |
Yep, great news. With any luck, 2021 will see us at a Pendragon show. |
I'll drink to that 
Edited by Cosmiclawnmower - December 31 2020 at 16:08
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chopper
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Posted: January 01 2021 at 04:57 |
lazland wrote:
Cosmiclawnmower wrote:
chopper wrote:
lazland wrote:
Cosmiclawnmower wrote:
lazland wrote:
I hope that both of your tests come back negative. |
Thanks, yes mine came back a few hours ago, negative luckily.. phew..
Have you heard yet Chopper?
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Great news, and thank you very much  |
My wife and I both tested negative, thanks. |
Thats great news  and here's wishing us all a better year in 2021. |
Yep, great news. With any luck, 2021 will see us at a Pendragon show. |
Now that would be great!
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lazland
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Posted: January 01 2021 at 05:08 |
chopper wrote:
lazland wrote:
Cosmiclawnmower wrote:
chopper wrote:
lazland wrote:
Cosmiclawnmower wrote:
lazland wrote:
I hope that both of your tests come back negative. |
Thanks, yes mine came back a few hours ago, negative luckily.. phew..
Have you heard yet Chopper?
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Great news, and thank you very much  |
My wife and I both tested negative, thanks. |
Thats great news  and here's wishing us all a better year in 2021. |
Yep, great news. With any luck, 2021 will see us at a Pendragon show. |
Now that would be great! |
Well, at the time of writing, Winter’s End is still on. Hopefully, the vaccine rollout will be on track for a loosening of restrictions well before that to give the organisers confidence it can go ahead.
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geekfreak
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Posted: January 01 2021 at 07:12 |
I am wishing everyone a safe, healthy and happy New Year. 🕉☮️♥️😂
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SteveG
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Posted: January 02 2021 at 10:57 |
geekfreak wrote:
I am wishing everyone a safe, healthy and happy New Year. 🕉☮️♥️😂 |
Thanks old chap, and the best to you as well.
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Ronstein
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Posted: January 04 2021 at 04:40 |
lazland wrote:
Okey dokey then. Here’s a question for the more scientifically minded or qualified amongst you. It is a genuine question from a proudly self-identifying layman who only picks up scientific knowledge from the stuff he reads.
Is it at all possible that the faster spreading variant of Covid is as the result of the old (and my favourite) “law of unintended consequences”?
By this, I mean; Western governments have spent months now pushing their people into and out of varying restrictions and lockdowns in order to suppress the transmission of the virus, or as Boris puts it, “putting our foot on the throat of the virus”. There has been an almost obsessive and relentless primary concern about infection rates and infected numbers, and the need to keep these down.
Is it at all possible that the virus (perfectly naturally and in line with usual evolutionary effects, given that it does not consciously think) has evolved a new mutation successfully in order to spread more quickly, more effectively, and by targeting a larger spread of humanity, in particular the younger personages? Has it done this as a perfectly natural evolutionary reaction to efforts made by us to suppress its spread?
In other words, had we left the bloody thing alone to spread quietly in its original form, would there have been ultimately less damage in terms of infection rates and transmissions?
Have we, by our efforts to suppress something which biologically and naturally exists to spread, in a wholly unnatural manner encouraged it to mutate into a form which more effectively achieves its biological purpose?
This is a serious question on my part, and not a piss take. I have not read this anywhere, and I am surprised that I haven’t, because it strikes this layman as a perfectly natural and logical conclusion to make. |
From my (somewhat limited) understanding of mutation, the more people that get infected, the more virus there is in the world replicating, and every replication results in mutations. DNA never replicates exactly.
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Ronstein
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Posted: January 04 2021 at 04:43 |
lazland wrote:
chopper wrote:
lazland wrote:
chopper wrote:
One thing that puzzles me is our count of covid deaths being defined as "a death within 28 days of a positive test". This implies that it's death due to any cause within 28 days, indeed I heard recently of someone who sadly died in a car accident within 28 days of recovering from covid and he was counted as a covid death. To me this doesn't seem logical and would inflate the covid death count.
Can anyone confirm if this is true or not?
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Yes, I can confirm it. It is absolutely the case. This is one of the reasons I have stated that the figures are a crock of sh*t. |
That's just bizarre, I wonder how many deaths that have been recorded as covid are actually not due to covid at all then?
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No idea, Alan. I doubt anybody has.
I can give you a good example of this literally up the road from me (and if I have posted this before, apologies to all).
In our neighbouring village, Phil Blodyn passed away two weeks ago. The death certificate stated Covid. However........
Phil had had a heart condition for a number of years. He was obese. He developed gangrene, and this spread quite nastily to his back passage. He was taken to West Wales General Hospital, and had to be resuscitated during the op. Unfortunately, he developed Sepsis, a horrendous condition. On the ICU, he also caught Coronavirus (this is, apparently, quite common. The Good Lord keep me away from NHS hospitals, please), and he passed away a couple of days later.
My point? Phil was not a well man. It is probable, indeed highly likely, that he will have passed away anyway, but because he tested positive for Covid on the ICU, he is classed as one of our Covid death victims. Maybe, but it is clearly not as simple as that, and I think that this has been repeated many times.
I have been trying, repeatedly, and without a great deal of success, to explain to Friede that the statistics are meaningless. I can only wonder why they keep repeating them. The cynic in me thinks it is to scare people. Nobody,. Nowhere, knows precisely how many people have died of Covid, or been infected, or where the virus is the PRIMARY causation of death. Nobody. |
To an extent, it doesn't matter how the COVID death definition is achieved as long as it's consistent. The real value isn't in the number itself but how its changing.
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Shadowyzard
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Posted: February 07 2021 at 15:46 |
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BaldFriede
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Posted: February 10 2021 at 15:59 |
There are some new scientific discoveries about the coronavirus. It may infect key brain cells, causing neurons to die. Read this article:
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chopper
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Posted: February 12 2021 at 12:53 |
Well at least we're getting on with the vaccination program well - got mine booked in for next Wednesday.
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jjuliajul11
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Posted: March 05 2021 at 04:39 |
So it's all really crazy. People were afraid to go out for a walk, meet friends or buy food. I was also scared and somehow read the reviews the swiss colony customer service and started ordering home delivery. Most of my friends did the same because people like crazy bought everything they needed and didn't need. And now when the disease is much more than in the beginning, people don`t even want to wear masks. This is nonsense
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chopper
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Posted: April 22 2021 at 11:35 |
RihanaBB wrote:
I have read that one research have discovered a combination of terpenes and CBD with the potential to manage the symptoms of COVID-19, or even to prevent infection altogether. |
Please tell us more, or post the link to the evidence.
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