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A Crimson Mellotron ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 10 2020 Location: Sofia, Bulgaria Status: Offline Points: 5690 |
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Man, are these albums so excellent
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Steve Wyzard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 30 2017 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 2835 |
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I've often wished Marillion were an instrumental (no vocals) band. With both eras, I can take or leave the lyrics and vocals.
At one time, I owned all the Fish-era albums, but in spite of a few good songs, they just didn't stand the test of time with me. They are no longer a part of my music listening. I do still own and listen to Seasons End, Holidays in Eden, and Brave. I consider Brave to be their masterpiece - in fact, I consider this album to be SO definitive and all-consuming that I've refused to listen to anything they've done since!
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 18578 |
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TEHO
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45691 |
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what do you mean? I can't figure out your abbreviation.
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 18578 |
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"To Each His/er Own" — it's one of the choices in the poll.
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mneil1968 ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: March 11 2014 Location: Tennessee, USA Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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If I'm looking at the word "disown", which is a reality for some folks, I think they are missing out.
I only have gotten into Marillion during the pandemic! Had heard both eras of the band somewhat over the years, but for some reason never invested much. Now, I've deeply listened to it all over the past several months, and I have to say I like both eras pretty much equally, but with a slight edge to the H era, mainly just 'cause there's so much more of it. The four Fish era albums were outstanding, but there's no way they would have created 18 outstanding albums with that lineup! Hogarth era have produced (in my opinion) at least 4 outstanding albums (Brave, AOS, Marbles, FEAR), others that are nearly outstanding (Seasons, HIE, TSE, Sounds), and none that are terrible, in my opinion. That's a lot of outstanding music! If you don't like the H era, no problem! If you're avoiding it just because it's "not Fish", that's kinda stupid.
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18076 |
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Hi, I really like the last two albums by FISH, and they are in some ways superior to Marillion's effort's. It's a shame that folks don't take him seriously because he is a very good singer and leader for a band.
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someone_else ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: May 02 2008 Location: Going Bananas Status: Offline Points: 24639 |
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Option #4 comes closest. My vote would be "Ad hominem" if this were an option.
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Hercules ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Near York UK Status: Offline Points: 7024 |
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When Fish left, I was very sad. I didn't buy the Seasons End album for almost 20 years, which was a massive mistake, because I now think it is (by a small margin over Fugazi) their best album.
I'd just say that anyone who dismisses either era of the band is just.........missing out. Both eras made some brilliant music.
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Earl of Mar ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 13 2020 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 1214 |
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I like a lot of the H era. Even HIE! However it will never be the same as I was early on the Marillion case and saw them on each of their first UK tours. To me the best Marillion albums are SFAJT and MP. The H era has its moments but it's a different band really. Marbles and Brave are fine but to me they pale next to the early stuff. Grendel and Market Square Heroes is my kind of Marillion.
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45691 |
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MP? I don't know this abbreviation.
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 43479 |
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I just Googled "SFAJT" and discovered it's an abbreviation for "Script for a Jester's Tear" and I think "MP" was meant to be "Misplaced Childhood", but the "P" was misplaced.
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13229 |
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I don't care for Marillion either with Fish or minus the ichthyological accouterments.
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 43479 |
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I don't care for Marillion with or without Fish either. I prefer Walter Trout.
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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Brave was Marillion's finest hour, so I'm going with option 12: IOU6PENCE.
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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Voted for: Right to like and dislike anything! Never liked Marillion regardless of the lineup. That said, the Genesis comparisons are increasingly tiresome and completely wide of the mark. Despite it being an unflinching confrontation with his own alcoholism, the self mythologizing artwork of Clutching at Straws was the final 'straw' for me i.e. Fish actually thought he was part of a conversation that included Dylan Thomas, Truman Capote, Lenny Bruce, John Lennon and Jack Kerouac. The only thing he has in common with most of that company is the liver ravaging bar tab. It's completely understandable that people starved of Prog in the 80's were more than ready to lower the bar to accommodate the false dawn afforded by Neo. Edited by ExittheLemming - December 22 2020 at 20:30 |
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18076 |
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Hi, I'm not sure that it is saying a whole lot about anyone or anything ... like others did not have that same drinking, or drugging problem? I'm not sure that it is right to judge people for the way they are ... and the art they created. In history of the arts, there are many more of them that drank, and drugged, than there are Christian saints hanging around talking like they are the fire of some god out there! FISH's last couple of albums are very good, and Marillion would never have the guts to even consider "The Rose of Damascus", which is in my estimation much more important than a lot of the material that Marillion did, which I like, but all of a sudden is very hollow and cheap by comparison ... I don't know what is right or wrong many times, but dishonoring an artist because he/she drinks, or smokes or is gay ... just doesn't seem right to me ... heck, might as well trash Edgar Allan Poe! AND so many others!
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Hercules ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Near York UK Status: Offline Points: 7024 |
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If Neo is epitomised by Marillion, IQ, Pendragon, Arena, Pallas and the like, I think they raised the bar over most 70s prog. |
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13229 |
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Raised the bar over most 70s prog?
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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As is the norm you haven't understood a single word of the post to which you are responding. The artwork that adorns Clutching at Straws implies (or it can be inferred) that Fish should be considered an artistic equal to the other celebrated artists on the sleeve. In that company Derek Dick wouldn't even make it as an understudy to their designated driver.
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