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chopper 
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 Posted: December 16 2020 at 12:54 |
 Argo2112 wrote:
Since we seen to be sharing interesting theories about COVID I thought I would share something I saw in a Facebook post that was amusing. Apparently there is suppose to be some cosmic alignment of the universe happening in the next few weeks at which time we can achieve some kind of spiritual enlightenment. According to the post the Covid vaccine has been designed to alter our DNA to keep us from communing with the universe & reaching this " spiritual enlightenment" . So, according to the post, the entire Covid thing is a scam to get us to take the vaccine & keep us from communing with the universe! 
I have seen some wacky sh*t out there but this one takes the cake. Geez!  |
I wouldn't worry about it, according to the Mayan calendar the world is going to end on 21st December. Again.
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Posted: December 16 2020 at 13:33 |
chopper wrote:
Argo2112 wrote:
Since we seen to be sharing interesting theories about COVID I thought I would share something I saw in a Facebook post that was amusing. Apparently there is suppose to be some cosmic alignment of the universe happening in the next few weeks at which time we can achieve some kind of spiritual enlightenment. According to the post the Covid vaccine has been designed to alter our DNA to keep us from communing with the universe & reaching this " spiritual enlightenment" . So, according to the post, the entire Covid thing is a scam to get us to take the vaccine & keep us from communing with the universe!
I have seen some wacky sh*t out there but this one takes the cake. Geez! |
I wouldn't worry about it, according to the Mayan calendar the world is going to end on 21st December. Again. |
That's my plans for Christmas ruined then. 
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Lewian
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Posted: December 16 2020 at 14:00 |
Easy Money wrote:
Lewian wrote:
@rogerthat: Good post generally, however despite all the chaos I'm still a supporter of public debate including debate within and between governing parties. People are heterogeneous, opinions are heterogeneous, life situations are heterogeneous, and I'd be happier in a world that embraced variety more rather than hoping for authoritative leadership, national unity and purity all the time.
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Generally I would agree with you, but taking an extreme example as a for instance. When the English citizens were told to extinguish their lights at night so that nazi bombers could not see them, that did not seem like a good time for debate or individual difference. |
Fair enough. This of course was brought upon England by a dictatorship in which public debate was totally stifled.
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Easy Money
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Posted: December 16 2020 at 14:55 |
Lewian wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
Lewian wrote:
@rogerthat: Good post generally, however despite all the chaos I'm still a supporter of public debate including debate within and between governing parties. People are heterogeneous, opinions are heterogeneous, life situations are heterogeneous, and I'd be happier in a world that embraced variety more rather than hoping for authoritative leadership, national unity and purity all the time.
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Generally I would agree with you, but taking an extreme example as a for instance. When the English citizens were told to extinguish their lights at night so that nazi bombers could not see them, that did not seem like a good time for debate or individual difference. |
Fair enough. This of course was brought upon England by a dictatorship in which public debate was totally stifled.
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To some people, stopping the spread of infectious germs is an equally grave situation, but I suppose that would be open to debate.  By the way, I appreciate many of your comments over the last couple pages, you are very logical in a world that seems to be losing its logic.
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Lewian
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Posted: December 16 2020 at 15:06 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Meet Dolores Cahill, who is calling out the entire covid scare a scam.
Oh here are her credentials.
BIOProf. Dr Dolores Cahill (follows pile of text that isn't meant to be read but just to generate awe by sheer length) (...)
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Not discussing her as a person and her credentials, just as an example, around 23-25 minutes she goes on about the fact that up to 11 March when the WHO declared Covid a pandemic there were 56 deaths a day from Covid, a ridiculously low number. She cites WHO numbers as credible there. Actually this is more or less correct, but look what happens after 11 March here, under daily deaths: March 20 there are more than 1,000, April 15 more than 8,000, these days more than 12,000. She portrays March 11 number as "near the end of the flu season" emphasising that Coronavirus behaves like the flu and "nobody can die from Coronavirus after April"; later "only between December and March", totally ignoring the fact that positive tests normally are some two weeks after infection and death weeks after the positive test and obviously totally ignoring the fact that Covid only came in big numbers to Europe and the US end February and March. In DECEMBER she discusses Covid based on numbers from 11 March (which she seems to trust as opposed to the October-December numbers from the same institution that are never commented on as far as I can see)! And using numbers from the same institution that now counts more than 1.5 million deaths from Coronavirus compared to the half million she quotes for annual flu deaths in the past, and those 1.5 millions are despite lockdowns and restrictions all over the place.
She also says US data for April-June are "like herd immunity works". Good for you Americans! There are some European data she shows going up to August or September - exactly when numbers where lowest, carefully handpicked with different end days per country, and there she stops. Evil be to him who evil thinks... (all data she uses are in line with the source I linked above, so you can check what happened in every case after the reference day she chose to use).
Well I guess I've got to give it to her that she used some intelligence there... to very obviously manipulate on purpose.
The interviewer adds "they want to take down mankind (with the vaccine) and blame it all on Coronavirus". Dolores: "Absolutely". Have fun then.
Edited by Lewian - December 16 2020 at 15:18
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rogerthat
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Posted: December 16 2020 at 19:15 |
Lewian wrote:
@rogerthat: Good post generally, however despite all the chaos I'm still a supporter of public debate including debate within and between governing parties. People are heterogeneous, opinions are heterogeneous, life situations are heterogeneous, and I'd be happier in a world that embraced variety more rather than hoping for authoritative leadership, national unity and purity all the time.
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I partly agree and partly do not. As EasyMoney said, in a war, people instinctively accept the need for decisive leadership. The biggest failure in the Western world when it came to covid was in not seeing it as a war but as just an ordinary disease. People single out Trump but even many of the West European leaders played down the virus until March. Yes, they changed course but a lot of damage was already done by that point.
Secondly, debate must be orderly and in good faith. There has been a lot of bad faith argumentation on covid, attempting intentionally to personally attack those who advocate masks and there has also been a lot of digging in and obdurately refusing to see any merit in the pro-mask side of the debate. I read the other day about patients dying of covid in a small town in North Dakota and still refusing to admit covid was going to get to them. If people are going to say they won't be convinced no matter what, that's not debate and they do not get to break the law because they are 'not convinced'.
That said, I do have a major problem with govts adopting a brutal neo-liberal response on the economic front and allowing small businesses to simply die while bailing out big biz. I would welcome strong and passionate debate on that to put govts on the spot. But trying to dismiss the whole thing as a hoax to save your business is just a cop out and an irrational response that makes getting out of covid itself much more difficult. This isn't even hard or novel. Right now, Jimmy Dore is instigating progressive Democrats to take a hard line on Pelosi's re-election so that they can extract a good bargain for the working class. So it can be done without spreading hoaxes.
This isn't about attacking a point of view. The trouble is when you spread a point of view that pooh poohs the virus and a lot of people subscribe to it, that puts those of us who are taking all precautions to get through it safely in danger too. And that's not only unfair, it's cruel and selfish, that's the way I see it. You can debate all you want as long as you comply with public policy but if it's an alibi to indulge your laziness or selfishness, that becomes problematic.
Edited by rogerthat - December 16 2020 at 19:25
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siLLy puPPy
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Posted: December 16 2020 at 20:36 |
Lewian wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Meet Dolores Cahill, who is calling out the entire covid scare a scam.
Oh here are her credentials.
BIOProf. Dr Dolores Cahill (follows pile of text that isn't meant to be read but just to generate awe by sheer length) (...)
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Not discussing her as a person and her credentials, just as an example, around 23-25 minutes she goes on about the fact that up to 11 March when the WHO declared Covid a pandemic there were 56 deaths a day from Covid, a ridiculously low number. She cites WHO numbers as credible there. Actually this is more or less correct, but look what happens after 11 March here, under daily deaths: March 20 there are more than 1,000, April 15 more than 8,000, these days more than 12,000. She portrays March 11 number as "near the end of the flu season" emphasising that Coronavirus behaves like the flu and "nobody can die from Coronavirus after April"; later "only between December and March", totally ignoring the fact that positive tests normally are some two weeks after infection and death weeks after the positive test and obviously totally ignoring the fact that Covid only came in big numbers to Europe and the US end February and March. In DECEMBER she discusses Covid based on numbers from 11 March (which she seems to trust as opposed to the October-December numbers from the same institution that are never commented on as far as I can see)! And using numbers from the same institution that now counts more than 1.5 million deaths from Coronavirus compared to the half million she quotes for annual flu deaths in the past, and those 1.5 millions are despite lockdowns and restrictions all over the place.
She also says US data for April-June are "like herd immunity works". Good for you Americans! There are some European data she shows going up to August or September - exactly when numbers where lowest, carefully handpicked with different end days per country, and there she stops. Evil be to him who evil thinks... (all data she uses are in line with the source I linked above, so you can check what happened in every case after the reference day she chose to use).
Well I guess I've got to give it to her that she used some intelligence there... to very obviously manipulate on purpose.
The interviewer adds "they want to take down mankind (with the vaccine) and blame it all on Coronavirus". Dolores: "Absolutely". Have fun then.
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Why do you think she is misleading and others aren't? I don't know who is telling the truth. I'm just sharing an alternative perspective from someone more than qualified to do so. These discrepancies lead me to believe no one which is why i distrust the medical establishment and instead choose to follow the path of optimal health of my own making. Total health sovereignty so to speak. The benefit is that i NEVER get sick. Not even one little sniffle.
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Lewian
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Posted: December 17 2020 at 02:42 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Why do you think she is misleading and others aren't?
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Where did I say who isn't misleading? Note that for seeing that she is misleading I didn't use anybody else's point of view that I portrayed as trustworthy. Rather I used the source of numbers that she used herself. These may not be trustworthy in your view (certainly there are big issues with death numbers in general and particularly with comparing them across countries, although this doesn't necessarily imply that anyone in particular is misleading, it is just intrinsically difficult and hard to have worldwide standardisation) - but if she doesn't trust them, she shouldn't use them in the first place. What I see with my own eyes, and everyone can verify that easily, is that she uses these numbers in a manipulating way, cherry-picking the days where they seem to confirm the point that she wants to make when in the same database other days totally contradict her claims.
Note also that the numbers that I say "seem to confirm her point of view" can also be explained easily in other ways. She claims summer numbers are low because there cannot be Covid deaths in summer - but of course there is broad consensus that there are fewer Covid deaths in summer, and the very low summer numbers can also be explained by coming out of a period of lockdown (of course she denies that this helps, but others would think so). And March 11 numbers are low because Covid hadn't yet spread everywhere, I said that already, didn't I?
| I'm just sharing an alternative perspective from someone more than qualified to do so. |
Well, I'd give her the badge to be qualified as a manipulator. I am good with numbers (I won't post my credentials here but let's say some do exist) and I can see that what she did there was intelligent rather than accidental; she obviously did it on purpose, as you have to understand the data well to pick stuff in a way that looks so convincing at the surface.
Edited by Lewian - December 17 2020 at 03:12
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Lewian
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Posted: December 17 2020 at 02:46 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
These discrepancies lead me to believe no one which is why i distrust the medical establishment and instead choose to follow the path of optimal health of my own making. Total health sovereignty so to speak. The benefit is that i NEVER get sick. Not even one little sniffle.
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Once more you resort to unfalsifiable statements with no argumentative value. Of course you yourself could falsify this but I honestly wish that you're right as far as yourself are concerned. Have a healthy and long life!
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Posted: December 17 2020 at 03:53 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Lewian wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Meet Dolores Cahill, who is calling out the entire covid scare a scam.
Oh here are her credentials.
BIOProf. Dr Dolores Cahill (follows pile of text that isn't meant to be read but just to generate awe by sheer length) (...)
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Not discussing her as a person and her credentials, just as an example, around 23-25 minutes she goes on about the fact that up to 11 March when the WHO declared Covid a pandemic there were 56 deaths a day from Covid, a ridiculously low number. She cites WHO numbers as credible there. Actually this is more or less correct, but look what happens after 11 March here, under daily deaths: March 20 there are more than 1,000, April 15 more than 8,000, these days more than 12,000. She portrays March 11 number as "near the end of the flu season" emphasising that Coronavirus behaves like the flu and "nobody can die from Coronavirus after April"; later "only between December and March", totally ignoring the fact that positive tests normally are some two weeks after infection and death weeks after the positive test and obviously totally ignoring the fact that Covid only came in big numbers to Europe and the US end February and March. In DECEMBER she discusses Covid based on numbers from 11 March (which she seems to trust as opposed to the October-December numbers from the same institution that are never commented on as far as I can see)! And using numbers from the same institution that now counts more than 1.5 million deaths from Coronavirus compared to the half million she quotes for annual flu deaths in the past, and those 1.5 millions are despite lockdowns and restrictions all over the place.
She also says US data for April-June are "like herd immunity works". Good for you Americans! There are some European data she shows going up to August or September - exactly when numbers where lowest, carefully handpicked with different end days per country, and there she stops. Evil be to him who evil thinks... (all data she uses are in line with the source I linked above, so you can check what happened in every case after the reference day she chose to use).
Well I guess I've got to give it to her that she used some intelligence there... to very obviously manipulate on purpose.
The interviewer adds "they want to take down mankind (with the vaccine) and blame it all on Coronavirus". Dolores: "Absolutely". Have fun then.
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Why do you think she is misleading and others aren't? I don't know who is telling the truth. I'm just sharing an alternative perspective from someone more than qualified to do so. These discrepancies lead me to believe no one which is why i distrust the medical establishment and instead choose to follow the path of optimal health of my own making. Total health sovereignty so to speak. The benefit is that i NEVER get sick. Not even one little sniffle.
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There is a simple reason for this belief: Scientists are surprisingly not interested in deluding others, they are interested in the progress of science. Very rarely there are groundbreaking new hypotheses that later turn into theories when scientists find evidence, like the the theory of evolution, the theory of relativity or quantum theory. But these are extremely rare. So unless sufficient evidence for her hypothesis is found I rather stick with conventional science.
Edited by BaldFriede - December 17 2020 at 05:25
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Posted: December 17 2020 at 04:25 |
Back on the Covid tack, I was very amused to hear someone interviewed on BBC TV last night who said they wouldn't have the vaccine, because 'there's a chip in it that allows the government to track you'. He was asked where he heard that from, 'WhatsApp' came the reply.
He was clearly unaware of the irony that half the world is already capable of tracking him through the mobile that he's installed WhatsApp on (especially if its on Android!) |
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Posted: December 17 2020 at 05:12 |
Ronstein wrote:
Back on the Covid tack, I was very amused to hear someone interviewed on BBC TV last night who said they wouldn't have the vaccine, because 'there's a chip in it that allows the government to track you'. He was asked where he heard that from, 'WhatsApp' came the reply.
He was clearly unaware of the irony that half the world is already capable of tracking him through the mobile that he's installed WhatsApp on (especially if its on Android!) |
Well it must be true if he saw it on WhatsApp. ffs.
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Posted: December 17 2020 at 05:13 |
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
chopper wrote:
Argo2112 wrote:
Since we seen to be sharing interesting theories about COVID I thought I would share something I saw in a Facebook post that was amusing. Apparently there is suppose to be some cosmic alignment of the universe happening in the next few weeks at which time we can achieve some kind of spiritual enlightenment. According to the post the Covid vaccine has been designed to alter our DNA to keep us from communing with the universe & reaching this " spiritual enlightenment" . So, according to the post, the entire Covid thing is a scam to get us to take the vaccine & keep us from communing with the universe!
I have seen some wacky sh*t out there but this one takes the cake. Geez! |
I wouldn't worry about it, according to the Mayan calendar the world is going to end on 21st December. Again. |
That's my plans for Christmas ruined then. |
I hope you didn't spend too much on my present.
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siLLy puPPy
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Posted: December 17 2020 at 07:30 |
Lewian wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Why do you think she is misleading and others aren't?
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Where did I say who isn't misleading? Note that for seeing that she is misleading I didn't use anybody else's point of view that I portrayed as trustworthy. Rather I used the source of numbers that she used herself. These may not be trustworthy in your view (certainly there are big issues with death numbers in general and particularly with comparing them across countries, although this doesn't necessarily imply that anyone in particular is misleading, it is just intrinsically difficult and hard to have worldwide standardisation) - but if she doesn't trust them, she shouldn't use them in the first place. What I see with my own eyes, and everyone can verify that easily, is that she uses these numbers in a manipulating way, cherry-picking the days where they seem to confirm the point that she wants to make when in the same database other days totally contradict her claims.
Note also that the numbers that I say "seem to confirm her point of view" can also be explained easily in other ways. She claims summer numbers are low because there cannot be Covid deaths in summer - but of course there is broad consensus that there are fewer Covid deaths in summer, and the very low summer numbers can also be explained by coming out of a period of lockdown (of course she denies that this helps, but others would think so). And March 11 numbers are low because Covid hadn't yet spread everywhere, I said that already, didn't I?
| I'm just sharing an alternative perspective from someone more than qualified to do so. |
Well, I'd give her the badge to be qualified as a manipulator. I am good with numbers (I won't post my credentials here but let's say some do exist) and I can see that what she did there was intelligent rather than accidental; she obviously did it on purpose, as you have to understand the data well to pick stuff in a way that looks so convincing at the surface.
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You're missing the point. There is a long list of similarly qualified individuals who are saying the exact same thing. She's not saying that nobody died during the summer but rather that these deaths are fraudulently attributed to a condition labeled as covid-19. Absolutely nobody of any stature has said covid doesn't exist. They are saying it has been politicized to paint a false narrative. When you are cranking your numbers you are making certain assumptions.
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siLLy puPPy
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Posted: December 17 2020 at 07:37 |
Ronstein wrote:
Back on the Covid tack, I was very amused to hear someone interviewed on BBC TV last night who said they wouldn't have the vaccine, because 'there's a chip in it that allows the government to track you'. He was asked where he heard that from, 'WhatsApp' came the reply.
He was clearly unaware of the irony that half the world is already capable of tracking him through the mobile that he's installed WhatsApp on (especially if its on Android!) |
I have seen patents for that so it's not a theory. The idea is that there are nanobots (which do exist) that will act as an antennae that links the human body to the 5G artificial intelligence grid. While cell phones and the like can track us, the idea of the nanobots and 5G working in tandem is to create an internet of things which will map and catalogue every single molecule on the planet and be able to track it all. I've heard many reports on this and does resonate in the possibility file. While i do think there is some truth to this, the question i have is the scope of it. The general public is woefully unaware of technological advancements that have taken place in the black budget projects that even Congress doesn't have knowledge of. Would anyone have believed in the atomic bomb if it wasn't dropped on Japan? Most probably would not.
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Posted: December 17 2020 at 07:42 |
BaldFriede wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Lewian wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Meet Dolores Cahill, who is calling out the entire covid scare a scam.
Oh here are her credentials.
BIOProf. Dr Dolores Cahill (follows pile of text that isn't meant to be read but just to generate awe by sheer length) (...)
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Not discussing her as a person and her credentials, just as an example, around 23-25 minutes she goes on about the fact that up to 11 March when the WHO declared Covid a pandemic there were 56 deaths a day from Covid, a ridiculously low number. She cites WHO numbers as credible there. Actually this is more or less correct, but look what happens after 11 March here, under daily deaths: March 20 there are more than 1,000, April 15 more than 8,000, these days more than 12,000. She portrays March 11 number as "near the end of the flu season" emphasising that Coronavirus behaves like the flu and "nobody can die from Coronavirus after April"; later "only between December and March", totally ignoring the fact that positive tests normally are some two weeks after infection and death weeks after the positive test and obviously totally ignoring the fact that Covid only came in big numbers to Europe and the US end February and March. In DECEMBER she discusses Covid based on numbers from 11 March (which she seems to trust as opposed to the October-December numbers from the same institution that are never commented on as far as I can see)! And using numbers from the same institution that now counts more than 1.5 million deaths from Coronavirus compared to the half million she quotes for annual flu deaths in the past, and those 1.5 millions are despite lockdowns and restrictions all over the place.
She also says US data for April-June are "like herd immunity works". Good for you Americans! There are some European data she shows going up to August or September - exactly when numbers where lowest, carefully handpicked with different end days per country, and there she stops. Evil be to him who evil thinks... (all data she uses are in line with the source I linked above, so you can check what happened in every case after the reference day she chose to use).
Well I guess I've got to give it to her that she used some intelligence there... to very obviously manipulate on purpose.
The interviewer adds "they want to take down mankind (with the vaccine) and blame it all on Coronavirus". Dolores: "Absolutely". Have fun then.
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Why do you think she is misleading and others aren't? I don't know who is telling the truth. I'm just sharing an alternative perspective from someone more than qualified to do so. These discrepancies lead me to believe no one which is why i distrust the medical establishment and instead choose to follow the path of optimal health of my own making. Total health sovereignty so to speak. The benefit is that i NEVER get sick. Not even one little sniffle.
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There is a simple reason for this belief: Scientists are surprisingly not interested in deluding others, they are interested in the progress of science. Very rarely there are groundbreaking new hypotheses that later turn into theories when scientists find evidence, like the the theory of evolution, the theory of relativity or quantum theory. But these are extremely rare. So unless sufficient evidence for her hypothesis is found I rather stick with conventional science.
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Science is a tool and can be used for the ultimate good or the most hideous evil. All you have to do is look back to nazi Germany to see how science can be used for horrible deeds. Are you aware that after WW2 that the USA imported as many of the nazi scientists as possible through Project Paperclip (= Operation Paperclip). These scientists started NASA, the CIA and other alphabet agencies, had their identities changed and commenced to take over the fields of medicine and science and governments. The Fourth Reich is alive and well living underground. If you don't think evil exists and that science isn't used by those who are on the dark side then you aren't paying attention. I've been forced to venture down these rabbit holes and have only concluded things are much worse than i could've imagined.
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Posted: December 17 2020 at 07:48 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Lewian wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Meet Dolores Cahill, who is calling out the entire covid scare a scam.
Oh here are her credentials.
BIOProf. Dr Dolores Cahill (follows pile of text that isn't meant to be read but just to generate awe by sheer length) (...)
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Not discussing her as a person and her credentials, just as an example, around 23-25 minutes she goes on about the fact that up to 11 March when the WHO declared Covid a pandemic there were 56 deaths a day from Covid, a ridiculously low number. She cites WHO numbers as credible there. Actually this is more or less correct, but look what happens after 11 March here, under daily deaths: March 20 there are more than 1,000, April 15 more than 8,000, these days more than 12,000. She portrays March 11 number as "near the end of the flu season" emphasising that Coronavirus behaves like the flu and "nobody can die from Coronavirus after April"; later "only between December and March", totally ignoring the fact that positive tests normally are some two weeks after infection and death weeks after the positive test and obviously totally ignoring the fact that Covid only came in big numbers to Europe and the US end February and March. In DECEMBER she discusses Covid based on numbers from 11 March (which she seems to trust as opposed to the October-December numbers from the same institution that are never commented on as far as I can see)! And using numbers from the same institution that now counts more than 1.5 million deaths from Coronavirus compared to the half million she quotes for annual flu deaths in the past, and those 1.5 millions are despite lockdowns and restrictions all over the place.
She also says US data for April-June are "like herd immunity works". Good for you Americans! There are some European data she shows going up to August or September - exactly when numbers where lowest, carefully handpicked with different end days per country, and there she stops. Evil be to him who evil thinks... (all data she uses are in line with the source I linked above, so you can check what happened in every case after the reference day she chose to use).
Well I guess I've got to give it to her that she used some intelligence there... to very obviously manipulate on purpose.
The interviewer adds "they want to take down mankind (with the vaccine) and blame it all on Coronavirus". Dolores: "Absolutely". Have fun then.
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Why do you think she is misleading and others aren't? I don't know who is telling the truth. I'm just sharing an alternative perspective from someone more than qualified to do so. These discrepancies lead me to believe no one which is why i distrust the medical establishment and instead choose to follow the path of optimal health of my own making. Total health sovereignty so to speak. The benefit is that i NEVER get sick. Not even one little sniffle.
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There is a simple reason for this belief: Scientists are surprisingly not interested in deluding others, they are interested in the progress of science. Very rarely there are groundbreaking new hypotheses that later turn into theories when scientists find evidence, like the the theory of evolution, the theory of relativity or quantum theory. But these are extremely rare. So unless sufficient evidence for her hypothesis is found I rather stick with conventional science.
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Science is a tool and can be used for the ultimate good or the most hideous evil. All you have to do is look back to nazi Germany to see how science can be used for horrible deeds. Are you aware that after WW2 that the USA imported as many of the nazi scientists as possible through Project Paperclip (= Operation Paperclip). These scientists started NASA, the CIA and other alphabet agencies, had their identities changed and commenced to take over the fields of medicine and science and governments. The Fourth Reich is alive and well living underground. If you don't think evil exists and that science isn't used by those who are on the dark side then you aren't paying attention. I've been forced to venture down these rabbit holes and have only concluded things are much worse than i could've imagined.
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What is underground about a well known fact? These scientists had officially forsaken their previous ideological stance and turned to science with the US. They were not part of any underground Nazi group as they were watched liked hawks by both the FBI and CIA, who didn't trust them to stay beholden to the US and not venture into working with the USSR.
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siLLy puPPy
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PSIKE, JRF/Canterbury, P Metal, Eclectic
Joined: October 05 2013
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Posted: December 17 2020 at 08:10 |
SteveG wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Lewian wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Meet Dolores Cahill, who is calling out the entire covid scare a scam.
Oh here are her credentials.
BIOProf. Dr Dolores Cahill (follows pile of text that isn't meant to be read but just to generate awe by sheer length) (...)
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Not discussing her as a person and her credentials, just as an example, around 23-25 minutes she goes on about the fact that up to 11 March when the WHO declared Covid a pandemic there were 56 deaths a day from Covid, a ridiculously low number. She cites WHO numbers as credible there. Actually this is more or less correct, but look what happens after 11 March here, under daily deaths: March 20 there are more than 1,000, April 15 more than 8,000, these days more than 12,000. She portrays March 11 number as "near the end of the flu season" emphasising that Coronavirus behaves like the flu and "nobody can die from Coronavirus after April"; later "only between December and March", totally ignoring the fact that positive tests normally are some two weeks after infection and death weeks after the positive test and obviously totally ignoring the fact that Covid only came in big numbers to Europe and the US end February and March. In DECEMBER she discusses Covid based on numbers from 11 March (which she seems to trust as opposed to the October-December numbers from the same institution that are never commented on as far as I can see)! And using numbers from the same institution that now counts more than 1.5 million deaths from Coronavirus compared to the half million she quotes for annual flu deaths in the past, and those 1.5 millions are despite lockdowns and restrictions all over the place.
She also says US data for April-June are "like herd immunity works". Good for you Americans! There are some European data she shows going up to August or September - exactly when numbers where lowest, carefully handpicked with different end days per country, and there she stops. Evil be to him who evil thinks... (all data she uses are in line with the source I linked above, so you can check what happened in every case after the reference day she chose to use).
Well I guess I've got to give it to her that she used some intelligence there... to very obviously manipulate on purpose.
The interviewer adds "they want to take down mankind (with the vaccine) and blame it all on Coronavirus". Dolores: "Absolutely". Have fun then.
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Why do you think she is misleading and others aren't? I don't know who is telling the truth. I'm just sharing an alternative perspective from someone more than qualified to do so. These discrepancies lead me to believe no one which is why i distrust the medical establishment and instead choose to follow the path of optimal health of my own making. Total health sovereignty so to speak. The benefit is that i NEVER get sick. Not even one little sniffle.
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There is a simple reason for this belief: Scientists are surprisingly not interested in deluding others, they are interested in the progress of science. Very rarely there are groundbreaking new hypotheses that later turn into theories when scientists find evidence, like the the theory of evolution, the theory of relativity or quantum theory. But these are extremely rare. So unless sufficient evidence for her hypothesis is found I rather stick with conventional science.
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Science is a tool and can be used for the ultimate good or the most hideous evil. All you have to do is look back to nazi Germany to see how science can be used for horrible deeds. Are you aware that after WW2 that the USA imported as many of the nazi scientists as possible through Project Paperclip (= Operation Paperclip). These scientists started NASA, the CIA and other alphabet agencies, had their identities changed and commenced to take over the fields of medicine and science and governments. The Fourth Reich is alive and well living underground. If you don't think evil exists and that science isn't used by those who are on the dark side then you aren't paying attention. I've been forced to venture down these rabbit holes and have only concluded things are much worse than i could've imagined.
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What is underground about a well known fact? These scientists had officially forsaken their previous ideological stance and turned to science with the US. They were not part of any underground Nazi group as they were watched liked hawks by both the FBI and CIA, who didn't trust them to stay beholden to the US and not venture into working with the USSR. |
Nazi transplants started the FBI and CIA. Don't forget that there were many nazi sympathizers in the US. Many of our corporations actually funded the third reich. There's a lot more to it than you think. Many of them did go to the USSR as well as Argentina. They also had a hidden base in New Schwabenland in Antarctica. The US wasn't as technically advanced which is exactly why the nazis got the upperhand and have been successful in infiltrating the aforementioned organizations. This is a very interesting field of research that many have spent decades uncovering.
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SteveG
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Joined: April 11 2014
Location: Kyiv In Spirit
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Posted: December 17 2020 at 08:14 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
SteveG wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Lewian wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Meet Dolores Cahill, who is calling out the entire covid scare a scam.
Oh here are her credentials.
BIOProf. Dr Dolores Cahill (follows pile of text that isn't meant to be read but just to generate awe by sheer length) (...)
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Not discussing her as a person and her credentials, just as an example, around 23-25 minutes she goes on about the fact that up to 11 March when the WHO declared Covid a pandemic there were 56 deaths a day from Covid, a ridiculously low number. She cites WHO numbers as credible there. Actually this is more or less correct, but look what happens after 11 March here, under daily deaths: March 20 there are more than 1,000, April 15 more than 8,000, these days more than 12,000. She portrays March 11 number as "near the end of the flu season" emphasising that Coronavirus behaves like the flu and "nobody can die from Coronavirus after April"; later "only between December and March", totally ignoring the fact that positive tests normally are some two weeks after infection and death weeks after the positive test and obviously totally ignoring the fact that Covid only came in big numbers to Europe and the US end February and March. In DECEMBER she discusses Covid based on numbers from 11 March (which she seems to trust as opposed to the October-December numbers from the same institution that are never commented on as far as I can see)! And using numbers from the same institution that now counts more than 1.5 million deaths from Coronavirus compared to the half million she quotes for annual flu deaths in the past, and those 1.5 millions are despite lockdowns and restrictions all over the place.
She also says US data for April-June are "like herd immunity works". Good for you Americans! There are some European data she shows going up to August or September - exactly when numbers where lowest, carefully handpicked with different end days per country, and there she stops. Evil be to him who evil thinks... (all data she uses are in line with the source I linked above, so you can check what happened in every case after the reference day she chose to use).
Well I guess I've got to give it to her that she used some intelligence there... to very obviously manipulate on purpose.
The interviewer adds "they want to take down mankind (with the vaccine) and blame it all on Coronavirus". Dolores: "Absolutely". Have fun then.
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Why do you think she is misleading and others aren't? I don't know who is telling the truth. I'm just sharing an alternative perspective from someone more than qualified to do so. These discrepancies lead me to believe no one which is why i distrust the medical establishment and instead choose to follow the path of optimal health of my own making. Total health sovereignty so to speak. The benefit is that i NEVER get sick. Not even one little sniffle.
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There is a simple reason for this belief: Scientists are surprisingly not interested in deluding others, they are interested in the progress of science. Very rarely there are groundbreaking new hypotheses that later turn into theories when scientists find evidence, like the the theory of evolution, the theory of relativity or quantum theory. But these are extremely rare. So unless sufficient evidence for her hypothesis is found I rather stick with conventional science.
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Science is a tool and can be used for the ultimate good or the most hideous evil. All you have to do is look back to nazi Germany to see how science can be used for horrible deeds. Are you aware that after WW2 that the USA imported as many of the nazi scientists as possible through Project Paperclip (= Operation Paperclip). These scientists started NASA, the CIA and other alphabet agencies, had their identities changed and commenced to take over the fields of medicine and science and governments. The Fourth Reich is alive and well living underground. If you don't think evil exists and that science isn't used by those who are on the dark side then you aren't paying attention. I've been forced to venture down these rabbit holes and have only concluded things are much worse than i could've imagined.
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What is underground about a well known fact? These scientists had officially forsaken their previous ideological stance and turned to science with the US. They were not part of any underground Nazi group as they were watched liked hawks by both the FBI and CIA, who didn't trust them to stay beholden to the US and not venture into working with the USSR. |
Nazi transplants started the FBI and CIA. Don't forget that there were many nazi sympathizers in the US. Many of our corporations actually funded the third reich. There's a lot more to it than you think. Many of them did go to the USSR as well as Argentina. They also had a hidden base in New Schwabenland in Antarctica. The US wasn't as technically advanced which is exactly why the nazis got the upperhand and have been successful in infiltrating the aforementioned organizations. This is a very interesting field of research that many have spent decades uncovering.
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Yes Mike, but that was all before WWII. After WWII, Nazism was thrown in with Communism as the great evil of Socialism.
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BaldFriede
Prog Reviewer
Joined: June 02 2005
Location: Germany
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Posted: December 17 2020 at 08:14 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Lewian wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Meet Dolores Cahill, who is calling out the entire covid scare a scam.
Oh here are her credentials.
BIOProf. Dr Dolores Cahill (follows pile of text that isn't meant to be read but just to generate awe by sheer length) (...)
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Not discussing her as a person and her credentials, just as an example, around 23-25 minutes she goes on about the fact that up to 11 March when the WHO declared Covid a pandemic there were 56 deaths a day from Covid, a ridiculously low number. She cites WHO numbers as credible there. Actually this is more or less correct, but look what happens after 11 March here, under daily deaths: March 20 there are more than 1,000, April 15 more than 8,000, these days more than 12,000. She portrays March 11 number as "near the end of the flu season" emphasising that Coronavirus behaves like the flu and "nobody can die from Coronavirus after April"; later "only between December and March", totally ignoring the fact that positive tests normally are some two weeks after infection and death weeks after the positive test and obviously totally ignoring the fact that Covid only came in big numbers to Europe and the US end February and March. In DECEMBER she discusses Covid based on numbers from 11 March (which she seems to trust as opposed to the October-December numbers from the same institution that are never commented on as far as I can see)! And using numbers from the same institution that now counts more than 1.5 million deaths from Coronavirus compared to the half million she quotes for annual flu deaths in the past, and those 1.5 millions are despite lockdowns and restrictions all over the place.
She also says US data for April-June are "like herd immunity works". Good for you Americans! There are some European data she shows going up to August or September - exactly when numbers where lowest, carefully handpicked with different end days per country, and there she stops. Evil be to him who evil thinks... (all data she uses are in line with the source I linked above, so you can check what happened in every case after the reference day she chose to use).
Well I guess I've got to give it to her that she used some intelligence there... to very obviously manipulate on purpose.
The interviewer adds "they want to take down mankind (with the vaccine) and blame it all on Coronavirus". Dolores: "Absolutely". Have fun then.
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Why do you think she is misleading and others aren't? I don't know who is telling the truth. I'm just sharing an alternative perspective from someone more than qualified to do so. These discrepancies lead me to believe no one which is why i distrust the medical establishment and instead choose to follow the path of optimal health of my own making. Total health sovereignty so to speak. The benefit is that i NEVER get sick. Not even one little sniffle.
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There is a simple reason for this belief: Scientists are surprisingly not interested in deluding others, they are interested in the progress of science. Very rarely there are groundbreaking new hypotheses that later turn into theories when scientists find evidence, like the the theory of evolution, the theory of relativity or quantum theory. But these are extremely rare. So unless sufficient evidence for her hypothesis is found I rather stick with conventional science.
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Science is a tool and can be used for the ultimate good or the most hideous evil. All you have to do is look back to nazi Germany to see how science can be used for horrible deeds. Are you aware that after WW2 that the USA imported as many of the nazi scientists as possible through Project Paperclip (= Operation Paperclip). These scientists started NASA, the CIA and other alphabet agencies, had their identities changed and commenced to take over the fields of medicine and science and governments. The Fourth Reich is alive and well living underground. If you don't think evil exists and that science isn't used by those who are on the dark side then you aren't paying attention. I've been forced to venture down these rabbit holes and have only concluded things are much worse than i could've imagined.
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Yes, there may be scientists who adhere to such a dark scenario. But the vast majority of the scientific community? Sorry, I don't buy this conspiracy theory.
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