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siLLy puPPy 
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 Posted: December 15 2020 at 08:31 |
 Lewian wrote:
siLLy puPPy: Another thing that doesn't seem to hold water in my view is how you can believe it possible that your Earth Inc. has the power to control governments and media all over the world but will surrender to verbal practices such as stating in the "right" way "I don't consent to this contract" as recommended by RR Farnham or Anna von Reitz when being pursued.
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I didn't say i believed in an Earth Inc. I said some researchers have come to that conclusion. Since i can't verify it one way or the other then i can only toss that into the possibility file. There are certainly dominate forces that have a lot of global power. IMHO i find the Earth Inc prospect to be more of a goal rather than a foregone conclusion. One of the reasons corporations and elites have such power over the will of other nations is simply because of military might. Add to that weather modification technologies and financial manipulation. These forces are working together to usher in that so-called New World Order but they haven't achieved it yet. Will it happen? Anybody's guess.
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Lewian
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Posted: December 15 2020 at 08:37 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Lewian wrote:
siLLy puPPy: Another thing that doesn't seem to hold water in my view is how you can believe it possible that your Earth Inc. has the power to control governments and media all over the world but will surrender to verbal practices such as stating in the "right" way "I don't consent to this contract" as recommended by RR Farnham or Anna von Reitz when being pursued.
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I didn't say i believed in an Earth Inc. I said some researchers have come to that conclusion. Since i can't verify it one way or the other then i can only toss that into the possibility file. There are certainly dominate forces that have a lot of global power. IMHO i find the Earth Inc prospect to be more of a goal rather than a foregone conclusion. One of the reasons corporations and elites have such power over the will of other nations is simply because of military might. Add to that weather modification technologies and financial manipulation. These forces are working together to usher in that so-called New World Order but they haven't achieved it yet. Will it happen? Anybody's guess.
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My point was that Farnham and Reitz propose practices to stand up to this supposedly corporative superpower that look very silly indeed. Like a fairytale password abracadabra to bring down the evil forces. Which makes the whole thing look very much like a fairytale. (And oh, according to Reitz and others, who is ultimately behind all this? The Jews... maybe Hitler didn't get it that wrong?  ) |
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siLLy puPPy
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Posted: December 15 2020 at 08:53 |
Lewian wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Lewian wrote:
siLLy puPPy: Another thing that doesn't seem to hold water in my view is how you can believe it possible that your Earth Inc. has the power to control governments and media all over the world but will surrender to verbal practices such as stating in the "right" way "I don't consent to this contract" as recommended by RR Farnham or Anna von Reitz when being pursued.
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I didn't say i believed in an Earth Inc. I said some researchers have come to that conclusion. Since i can't verify it one way or the other then i can only toss that into the possibility file. There are certainly dominate forces that have a lot of global power. IMHO i find the Earth Inc prospect to be more of a goal rather than a foregone conclusion. One of the reasons corporations and elites have such power over the will of other nations is simply because of military might. Add to that weather modification technologies and financial manipulation. These forces are working together to usher in that so-called New World Order but they haven't achieved it yet. Will it happen? Anybody's guess.
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My point was that Farnham and Reitz propose practices to stand up to this supposedly corporative superpower that look very silly indeed. Like a fairytale password abracadabra to bring down the evil forces. Which makes the whole thing look very much like a fairytale. (And oh, according to Reitz and others, who is ultimately behind all this? The Jews... maybe Hitler didn't get it that wrong? ) |
There are those tendencies in some of these people but they distinguish between Jews and Zionists. BIG difference. Judism is a religion like any other and has attracted followers from many walks of life therefore Jews aren't a race of people but rather a collection of those who share a philosophy.
The Zionist hegemonic forces adopted the Sabbatean concepts created by Sabbatai Zevi who proclaimed to be the Jewish Messiah in 1666 by Nathan of Gaza. His philosphy was to invert all that was considering "good" and seems to be the precursor to modern Satanism. This alone is a whole other rabbit hole. When it comes to historical figures, there is a tendency to exaggerate both good and evil qualities. Nothing is black and white and even my Jewish friends have told me that the reason the Jews were so persecuted around the WW2 timeline was because of their banking practices that promoted usury which was supposedly forbidden in Christianity. So it does seem that the Zionists are very much behind a lot of the world's ills and most Jews are innocent pawns in their game. Think of these factions as mafia-like gangs. You have the crown of England, the Vatican, the Zionists etc. They are all vying for ultimate power and sometimes work together when commonalities pursue their long-term plans.
The establishment of common law may sound like a fairy tale but according to the belief systems of many of these elite establishments, they need our consent in order to carry out their New World Order agendas therefore the establishment of common law is an attempt to create an alternative legal system that allows this consent to be withdrawn. It makes more sense the more you study this and i understand that my short blurbs here are inadequate to portray the larger picture.
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siLLy puPPy
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Posted: December 15 2020 at 08:56 |
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OH and the whole Nazi thing was just another gang of thugs who thought they were superior. Hitler was just another thug who may have had gripes with the Jewish practices but was an evil tyrant who used those gripes to his advantage. NOT admirable in any way, shape or form.
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Lewian
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Posted: December 15 2020 at 09:31 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
The establishment of common law may sound like a fairy tale but according to the belief systems of many of these elite establishments, they need our consent in order to carry out their New World Order agendas therefore the establishment of common law is an attempt to create an alternative legal system that allows this consent to be withdrawn. It makes more sense the more you study this and i understand that my short blurbs here are inadequate to portray the larger picture.
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So they believe they need consent but they are fine with spreading all kinds of manipulation and fake news to get that consent, which is then worthless anyway because nobody knows what they're consenting to? The earth must be properly flat then.
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Lewian
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Posted: December 15 2020 at 09:44 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Lewian wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Life forms cannot be patented and viruses aren't life forms. |
Just on this one... we learn at school that the life form status of viruses is controversial; surely if they are not seen as a life form (which seems to be legitimate) this does not imply by any means that they are engineered. Neither does the patent business prove that; if anything it would just show that those asking for the patent could convince those rewarding the patent that it was manufactured, but that doesn't mean it's true. Actually the first thing when I google "virus patents" is this: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-patents-idUSKBN27C1PA
https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-pseudoscience/patently-false-disinformation-over-coronavirus-patents ...claiming that viruses themselves are not patented but rather developments connected to viruses such as methods to detect them or small modifications. You will probably say that this is all misinformation controlled by the world ruling families...
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No, but i will say that it casts doubt on the legitimacy of these patents. My whole point of this was that due to the fact there are vast differing opinions from highly qualified scholars from many biological disciplines, that we cannot be confident that any of these theories are correct, therefore we must exercise caution due to the lack of certainty. Given that what viruses are isn't even agreed upon, then how can any derivative conclusions be drawn? It's all theory and theory is not fact. Simple as that.
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The word fact literally means "made". As a constructivist I know that literally everything can be challenged by saying that it's just a theory and there is no ultimate proof. Even the so-called laws of nature rely on human interpretation and theory, and any claim that is made with enough precision and formality is about human model ideas rather than about what's true in reality. This doesn't stop theories and models from being tremendously helpful and instrumental in dealing with all kinds of issues from gravity over artificial intelligence to pandemics. Sure, scientists get things wrong too (and whenever they do, there are other scientists to claim they knew it all along). However having well argued doubts about one theory doesn't in itself give evidence to another, and it takes far more to convincingly establish an alternative scientific world view than standing at the sideline and claiming that X, Y, and Z are controversial and just theories, and there are certain issues with them. I'm with you when it comes to doubting the kind of science communication that suggests to us things are certain that really are not. However I haven't seen anything convincing yet from the side that you seem to believe instead.
Re viruses, the issue about whether a virus is a life form as far as my understanding goes has more to do with the ambivalence of the life form concept than with what is unknown about viruses.
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Ronstein
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Posted: December 15 2020 at 09:48 |
Lewian wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
The establishment of common law may sound like a fairy tale but according to the belief systems of many of these elite establishments, they need our consent in order to carry out their New World Order agendas therefore the establishment of common law is an attempt to create an alternative legal system that allows this consent to be withdrawn. It makes more sense the more you study this and i understand that my short blurbs here are inadequate to portray the larger picture.
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So they believe they need consent but they are fine with spreading all kinds of manipulation and fake news to get that consent, which is then worthless anyway because nobody knows what they're consenting to? The earth must be properly flat then.
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And here's the 'proof' https://darksky.net/flatearth It's been researched for thousands of hours 
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lazland
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Posted: December 15 2020 at 10:20 |
I was sent a meme today by a friend. It was headlined “this is what happens when you get the vaccine”. The accompanying photo cannot be printed on a family friendly website, but basically was that of a person of the female variety whose prominent glands had morphed into two male organs.
Rather funny, actually, and certainly making a lot more sense than some of the stuff that I’ve read on the last two pages.
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SteveG
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Posted: December 15 2020 at 10:25 |
lazland wrote:
I was sent a meme today by a friend. It was headlined “this is what happens when you get the vaccine”. The accompanying photo cannot be printed on a family friendly website, but basically was that of a person of the female variety whose prominent glands had morphed into two male organs.
Rather funny, actually, and certainly making a lot more sense than some of the stuff that I’ve read on the last two pages. |
Yes, quite.
Edited by SteveG - December 15 2020 at 10:26
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progaardvark
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Posted: December 15 2020 at 11:18 |
Ronstein wrote:
Lewian wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
The establishment of common law may sound like a fairy tale but according to the belief systems of many of these elite establishments, they need our consent in order to carry out their New World Order agendas therefore the establishment of common law is an attempt to create an alternative legal system that allows this consent to be withdrawn. It makes more sense the more you study this and i understand that my short blurbs here are inadequate to portray the larger picture.
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So they believe they need consent but they are fine with spreading all kinds of manipulation and fake news to get that consent, which is then worthless anyway because nobody knows what they're consenting to? The earth must be properly flat then.
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And here's the 'proof' https://darksky.net/flatearth It's been researched for thousands of hours |
I don't mean to derail this into another thing off-topic, but that line in there about the Sun being 3000 miles from the Earth gave me a good laugh. 
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Posted: December 15 2020 at 12:04 |
progaardvark wrote:
I don't mean to derail this into another thing off-topic, but that line in there about the Sun being 3000 miles from the Earth gave me a good laugh. |
That would explain global warming then
It's not as funny as the bit about the "Giant Ice Wall that rings our world and separates us from the realm of the Reptillian Overlords "
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Easy Money
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Posted: December 15 2020 at 12:18 |
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Did anyone else wonder about this quote from the previous page:
"Considering the third leading cause of death in the US is medical malpractice back up by extensive studies from John Hopkins University"
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SteveG
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Posted: December 15 2020 at 12:48 |
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John, the three leading causes of death in the US are heart disease, cancer and accidental death.
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kenethlevine
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Posted: December 15 2020 at 13:24 |
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actually, while I refuse to get involved in the other discussions currently being debated on this thread, I will say you missed what is now the #1 cause of death right now in the US: COVID-19
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lazland
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Posted: December 15 2020 at 13:30 |
kenethlevine wrote:
actually, while I refuse to get involved in the other discussions currently being debated on this thread, I will say you missed what is now the #1 cause of death right now in the US: COVID-19 |
The latest mortality figures in the UK show:
1. Alzheimer’s/dementia 2. Heart disease 3. Covid-19
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Posted: December 15 2020 at 13:41 |
you slackers you :) get with it!
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lazland
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Posted: December 15 2020 at 14:26 |
kenethlevine wrote:
you slackers you :)get with it! |
Blame it on the old Imperialist mentality
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Posted: December 15 2020 at 14:35 |
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wasn't there a study way back that possibly linked tea drinking with dementia? I remember wondering if that was more of a self selecting situation ie if you were the tea drinking type you might also be in a bit of a fog anyway
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lazland
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Posted: December 15 2020 at 15:05 |
kenethlevine wrote:
wasn't there a study way back that possibly linked tea drinking with dementia? I remember wondering if that was more of a self selecting situation ie if you were the tea drinking type you might also be in a bit of a fog anyway |
Well, the trouble is with a lot of the British media is that there are “this causes dementia”, or “that causes dementia “ stories almost every single day. I don’t take a blind bit of notice anymore.
I used to drink tea by the gallon all day, at least until I started on beer in the evening. I was getting a touch of gout, though, and the doctor recommended cutting right down. So it is just one cup of tea when I wake up, a couple of coffees during the day, and water at lunch. I have not had gout since, and I have not had to cut down on having my favourite pint.
I would like to blame my personal fog on tea drinking. I think, though, that it is completely unalterable by any chemicals. It just comes to me naturally! 
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Lewian
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Posted: December 15 2020 at 15:14 |
kenethlevine wrote:
wasn't there a study way back that possibly linked tea drinking with dementia? |
Oh dear oh dear...
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