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    Posted: December 14 2020 at 13:54
A various media topic that included music, books, film, TV and more. One can find intersections between all of those so one can draw comparisons. Of course we have film soundtracks, TV, movies and albums conceptually based on books. I often take a fairly holistic approach to things, unfocused would be another descriptor.

One of the the things I often will look for in reviews, topics, and comments are comparisons and suggestions of what to look for if one is into something such as an album, a novel, a TV show, a particular song, a film etc. It is, of course, a common topic at this forum with requests such as "I'm into Genesis, what other bands can you recommend?" This of course might lead to asking for the person to be more specific, such as the respondent asking, "What is your favourite Genesis album?", "Which Genesis period and songs do you most enjoy?", "What are some of your other favourite bands?", "Have you heard any others that would fit the bill?" And then some suggestions are much more on point/ relevant than others. Some will specifically suggest bands with similar qualities and perceived appeal, some will just list things that they like in response even if they really are not similar, and some might lecture that person who is asking for recommendations with a comment such as "You shouldn't look for other people's recommendations and go out and discover the music for yourself, which is a far more progressive thing to do!" Or, "You should let your own ears be your guide." Or, "the question you should really be asking is THIS." To which the respondent might say something like, "I want more music like what I asked for, and this helps me to find such music instead of listening to everything under the sun hoping it will scratch that itch", "There's only so much time", "Get lost" or all of the above.

I generally favour addressing the request as asked. intended rather than making it about one's own values and likes. It's a far more charitable approach generally. And it's commonly better to try to stick to the topic and parameters as laid out even if digressions can be fun and interesting.

With that preamble out of the way, I thought it might be interesting to have a general arts topic where we can list albums, films, books, movies and TV shows (and more) and then mention others that we think might appeal to those who also like such things. Originally I was just going to do this for music, but decided to widen the net, and if one likes a certain TV show, one might say that certain novels and films might appeal due to having similar characteristics/ qualities. If, say, discussing an album, that doesn't mean it need sound the same, and certainly not have to be a rip-off (although it could be), but one gets at least a similar feel or vibe to it. Note: people draw different associations and their brains can interpret music differently, so just because X album appeals to me, and has similar qualities to Y to me, does not necessarily mean that another will make the same associations. Each listener has a unique experience with music since we have unique brains that filter and interpret the sounds and unique experiences from which we draw our associations.

I'll start with some albums that have similar appeal to me (some are more similar than others, and it's not like I would necessarily want copy-cats).

I like Herbie Hancock's album Crossings. This album has simialrities to the rest of Hancock's Mwandishi trilogy which includes Sexant and Mwandishi, and others who were involved on that album (often called the Mwandishi players) released albums with a similar appeal, such as Eddie Henderon's Realisation (highly recommended for those into Crossings), Inside Out and Sunburst, Bennie Maupin's resplendent The Jewel in the Lotus and Slow Traffic to the Right, Buster Williams' Pinnacle, and musically related ones such as the I think excellent Love, Love by Julian Priester (which I love, love, love), Norman Connors' Dance of Magic and Dark of Light, Lenny White's Venusian Summer (the suite is so sweet), and Bob James' One.

If you like Miles Davis' Bitches Brew, then I might recommend Donald Byrd's Electric Byrd or Freddie Hubbard's Red Clay amongst many others.

If you like Stereolab, then maybe try Pram and Broadcast (without going into specifics now).

If you like Comus' First Utterance, then I suggest listening to Spirogyra albums (and other acid folk acts), and Exuma. And if you like Exuma, I suggest Dr. John the Day Tripper's Gris-Gris ("I Walk on Guilded Splinters" I find terrific). And for me there is some brooding similarity between Nick Drake's "River Man" and Comus' "The Herald".

If you like Univers Zero, try Present, as well as Art Zoyd.

If you like 2001: A Space Odyssey, try Tarkovsky's Solaris.

If you like Orwell's 1984, maybe try Huxley's Brave New World, Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451, Burgess' A Clockwork Orange, Kazuo Ishiguro's Never Let Me Go, and maybe give Gilliam's Brazil film a watch.

If you like Twin Peaks, maybe try the Fargo series and Lost, as well as Hannibal and the X Files (I could go really wide on this ad mention many others).

If you like the Game of Thrones TV show, and want to watch things with similarities that are more kid-friendly, try His Dark Materials and The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance.

You get the idea. So please list your own, and comment on and add to to other people's lists or just comment generally. And sorry for getting a little long-winded again, my wife was complaining about this quality of mine earlier ("Get to the point!") Unfortunately, I have a rather disorderly mind that will go off on tangents regularly and I need to try to rein that in.      
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If you like Superman... you suck! Thumbs Down

Seriously though, great thread.

I was gonna say if you like The Matrix, try eXistenZ; but I hesitate as some of my friends said it was one of the worst movies they've ever watched!

Anyway, if you like Stephen King, try Clive Barker!

Edit: Oops. Media... Ouch

So, if you like Iron Maiden, try Keldian!
If you like Dream Theater, try Ice Age
If you like(d) He-Man and the Masters of the Universe, try Fire and Ice 
If you like Pink Floyd, try Collage
If you like Collage, try Satellite
If you like Satellite... Sleepy

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Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

If you like Superman... you suck! Thumbs Down

Seriously though, great thread.

I was gonna say if you like The Matrix, try eXistenZ; but I hesitate as some of my friends said it was one of the worst movies they've ever watched!

Anyway, if you like Stephen King, try Clive Barker!


Thanks, and hell yeah on all of those. Not my favourite Cronenberg, but I liked it. Watched Videodrome again recently which also has some similarities..

And if you like The Matrix (as well as eXistenZ) try Dark City (if you haven't seen it, I do think you'd like it). And Inception and Equilibrium have similarities, but Dark City!

And if you like Stephen King and Clive Barker, try Peter Straub.

It's nice for me that the first response is about all things that I know and like, other than Superman...

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Haha, thanks Greg. I absolutely LOVE Dark City. I read Black House by S. King and P. Straub; but never read a novel written just by Straub.

Not a fan of Inception but Equilibrium was fun.

P.S. I edited my original post. Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2020 at 14:22
And and all media (as many types of media or as few as people wish). I love the Talisman with Straub/King. I liked his Ghost Story. I wasn't a big fan of Inception either, to be honest. Its my son's favourite film (he's 13).

And for another (films):

if you like the Wicker Man (the original of course), try Blood on Satan's Claw, The Wichfinder General and a recent one that I loved in the folk horror realm called Apostle.

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^ Ha, The Talisman. Loved it too! Storm of the Century... Great mini-series. One of my favourite King adaptations. Consider watching it, if you haven't yet.

I'll hopefully have unlimited internet connection again after the Covid-19 thing, so that I can consider watching the stuff you recommended. 

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If you like...

Dr. Strangelove, try Att Angöra en Brygga (Docking the Boat) - a hilarious Swedish black comedy from 1964 or something like that, but whereas the first one is about nuclear war and a doomsday machine, the latter is about the difficulties of - well - docking a boat. But the spirit isn't that different actually though it may sound absurd. What they have in common is people who have absolutely no control of what they are doing. I don't know if it exists with English subs though.

Nick Cave or the Velvet Underground, try Sort Sol - a Danish band that arrose around the time of the punk explosion but later incorporated both garage rock and more experimental sounds.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote suitkees Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2020 at 14:32
If you think Superman sucks, try Star Wars... that really sucks! Wink

Regarding Existenz, I tend to agree with your friends, Ozgur: I liked Matrix ( the first one), but didn't like the Cronenburg videogame noodles (i.e. "levels") in Existenz. But I love Videodrome! You might like Twelve Monkeys, maybe.
Don't think I know Dark City, so I should check it out.

And talking about Twelve Monkeys, of course see the original by Chris Marker: La jetée.
And I must admit I have a weak for Bruce Willis, so this also makes me think of The 5th Element: SF with humour.




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12 Monkeys is awesome!

It also has a TV series (2015-2018 - 4 seasons). Pretty solid, recommended, Kees. You see "mon-keees" (Brad Pitt much?LOL)
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if you like "The Matrix" you should watch Rainer Werner Fassbinder's "Welt am Draht" ("World on a Wire") which was made 25 years before "The Matrix" and is in my opinion a thousand times better. I didn't like "The Matrix" at all; behind the cool effects there is a gaping hole. "Welt am Draht" has no effects at all; it is a slow burner.

here a link to the movie. it is in the original German with English subtitles:




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^ The Thirteenth Floor and They Live can also be recommended for the Matrix fans.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote BaldJean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2020 at 15:00
Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

^ The Thirteenth Floor and They Live can also be recommended for the Matrix fans.

"The Thirteenth Floor" is actually based on the same book as "Welt am Draht", Daniel F. Galouye's "Simulacron-3"


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Superman is definitely not for me. To me, his incredible strength and powers are almost ridiculous, plus you can't really identify with a superhuman. But I am generally not into superheroes.

I prefer Bicycle Repair Man.


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^You mean Monthy Python's...?

If you like absurd humour, you might like The Plank.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Anders Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2020 at 15:18
I was indeed thinking of Monty Python Smile

The Plank looks very funny. It gets more and more insane. Reminds me of Pallesen & Pilmark: http://youtube.com/watch?v=J79riy3NACU

Watching further through The Plank, I think Pallesen and Pilmark must have got some inspiration from it.



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^ Great sketch!

Continuing in the non-dialogue vain, the Dutch director Jos Stelling made a great film with one of the major stand-up comedians of that moment (1983), Freek de Jonge: De illusionist (The Illusionist)

@BaldJean: Thanks for Welt am Draht! It is one of the few Fassbinder films I have never seen.

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If you like Monty Python humor you might like The League of Gentlemen...

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2020 at 19:36
Ok, lots of Matrix suggestions.

So...If you like the Matrix try Equilibrium.
If you like Equilibrium try UltraViolet.

Then...
If you like The Prestige try The Illusionist.
If you like The Wall (film) try Tommy (film)
If you like Trainspotting try Requiem For A Dream.
If you like The Lost Boys try Vamp.

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If you like American Beauty, try the ballsier Happiness by Todd Solondz.

If you like Forrest Gump, try Sling Blade or Being There, which are so much better.

If you like Cronenberg's body horror films, try Altered States.

If you like Bergman's cinema, try Woody Allen's Interiors

If you like Hitchcock's cinema, try The Talented Mr.Ripley

If you like Disney, try a more mature take on animation with Studio Ghibli's filmography.

If you like Fincher films such as Seven or Zodiac, try The Spanish Prisoner.

If you like The Matrix, try the movie which served as "inspiration" for the Wachowski's (as a way not to say the movie they ripped off)...Ghost In The Shell.





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If you like Leaving Las Vegas, try Shame.

If you like Les 400 Coups, try Crónica De Un Niño Solo.

If you like La Vita E Bella, try La Lengua De Las Mariposas.

If you like Parasite, try Buena Vida Delivery.

If you like Persepolis, try Waltz With Bashir.





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