When did u not only "get", but actually love VDGG? |
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Prog-jester
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I remember listening to my father's friend's CD collection and discovering Godbluff mere months after falling in love with 70's Genesis and 70's King Crimson (I was 15-16 yrs old). From that record only "Arrow" touched my heart, but more VDGG CDs followed, and there was at least one song I'd like from each album - "Darkness 11/11", "Necromancer', "Still Life", etc.
And then in coupla years it sorta clicked for the first time - I remember it was a remarkably cold winter, I was sitting on a sofa wrapped in several blanket in one corner of the room, and my audio system was playing World Record (I burned myself a CD-R copy just in case) in another corner, and it felt too dark and disturbing to me at that moment. But it was too cold to unwrap myself and go change the CD, so I was just sitting there listening, and gradually finding this music to be more and more appropriate to the situation, ahah. But then it clicked for real ten years ago, after I watched that Godbluff live on YouTube. It dawned on me that they're basically a singer/songwriter+jazz trio combo They were never Symphonic Prog or whatever, so I just learned to love them for what they were really good at - actual SONGS. Then I found the VDGG book on eBay, then I started digging into PH discography (listened to ALL his stuff in recent years, early 80s is my favourite era), then I named my band's album after their song, hehe... I'm a fan |
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Frenetic Zetetic
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Nah, I don't do backhanded (jk I do I'm a psych major LOL) . For real though you know I'm playing and I love your posts, threads, and vernacular scrimmages of the golden prog days since past! Do the VDGG demo tapes get a 6-star rating then, Paul?
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Psychedelic Paul
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^ I've got to be honest and say Van der Graaf Generator's "Present" (2005) album is one of the worst prog albums I've ever heard. For instance, have a listen to this discordant mess on the first track on Disc Two.....
Van der Graaf Generator - Vulcan Meld |
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I was an Iron Maiden fan at age 14 and read a review of Arena's Contagion in a metal magazine. I was hooked instantly and found out it was 'progressive rock'. Started downloading random music labeled such and got the King Crimson debut and VdGG's H to He. I do remember liking the main instrumental theme of The Emperor and bits of House With No Door.. but the singing.. it was just to strange for me. Years later I started listening to Sleepwalkers on this site, which was the first song I really liked. Then came Wondering, still a favorite of mine. H to He was the first vinyl I liked front to back, but that wouldn't fully prepare me for Pawn Hearts still. Took me a full year. I still prefer the roomey reverb sound of the first few records over the more dry sound of the Godbluff era, but I learned to appreciate these records over time as well. Of the solo stuf I really like the PH debut and Chameleon, the other records are a bit under-produced in my opinion.
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I prophesy disaster
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My favourite track from Disc 2 of Present is "Manuelle" Edited by I prophesy disaster - November 18 2020 at 05:03 |
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Cristi
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I don't think "discordant" is the word there, but "dissonant". It would make sense. |
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Psychedelic Paul
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"Discordant" literally means harsh and jarring because of a lack of harmony, and that's how VDGG's virtually unlistenable "Present" album sounded to me, but I'd agree that the album is also dissonant too. I could post another track from the album as an example, but I think we've already suffered enough today with "Vulcan Meld".
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Cristi
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ok, it's all understood, you disliked the album. No need to explain furthermore.
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Hi, To do 3 hours, or more, and not have a brew for it? Not possible, and if you did not prescribe the right brew, I'm not sure that Micky will try it. I was thinking of some sort of Salted Caramel Saturnian Coffee with a quick shot of something strong, like a good liqueur! But, all in all, PH and VdGG is better and makes more sense for the artistic folks than it does the rock'n'roll folks and I, for one, am very glad of it ... I'm tired of the same rock'n'roll and its meaningless lyrics, that are supposed to be fun ... if you are stoned immaculate, and that is ... for kids ... when you got a wife and kids, PH and VdGG makes a lot more sense! Much more literate and intelligent. No comparison with more than half the "progressive" crap!
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^ You know that whole area is strange..
I personally like his voice but I can understand why others would hate it. I guess what it comes down to is, I like it because it's unique. He has a theatrical way of singing, and places a lot of feeling in his words. As for having the "best" voice....no, but to me, that's irrelevant when it comes to Hammill. He sounds more like a story-teller a lot of the time, and that's kind of what I hear when listening to Gabriel as well.
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Levitating downwards,
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Frenetic Zetetic
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Why is this hard to believe? Jame Larbie's vocals are nauseating AF and Dream Theater is at the top of the heap, LOL .
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"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
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I must correct an earlier posting, a mistyping of one of the great album titles of all time . Not , H to He Who ARE The Only One (lol) but
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Never, and I now know I never will.
Hamill's vocal style drives me away and the music is just not to my taste either. King Crimson are another band I just don't "get" at all, mainly because I can't stand Fripp's guitar style. It took me 20 years to "get" Gentle Giant, though, and now I love them.
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Mascodagama
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Circa 1985 when I was sixteen. I got Godbluff on vinyl and it rewired my brain.
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Psychedelic Paul
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I really got into Van der Graaf Generator when I bought "The Least We Can Do is Wave to Each Other" and "H to He, Who Am the Only One" (whatever that means!?), but I went right off VDGG when I listened to their godawful Pawn Hearts album and everything beyond it recently.
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Frenetic Zetetic
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That's a unique time period to discover VDGG, IMO! Everyone else was probably blasting Flock of Seagulls and here you are diving deep LOL .
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"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
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Psychedelic Paul
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Yes, that would be me who Ran with Flock of Seagulls in the Synth Britannia New Romantic 80's era, although I didn't have the hair to match. |
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Mascodagama
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Did like Japan, Tears for Fears, etc as well to be fair. Though not really Flock of Seagulls.
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Psychedelic Paul
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My high/low voltage ratings for Van der Graaf Generator's albums:- The Aerosol Grey Machine (1969) The Least We Can Do is Wave to Each Other (1970) H to He, Who Am the Only One (1970) Pawn Hearts (1972) Godbluff (1975) Still Life (1976) World Record (1976) The Quiet Zone/The Pleasure Dome (1977) Vital (1978) Present (2005) Trisector (2008) A Grounding in Numbers (2011) ALT (2012) Do Not Disturb (2016) Edited by Psychedelic Paul - December 06 2020 at 08:02 |
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