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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

it's probably because I love them. So that's why I have a large number of 5* reviews.
 

It's the same reason why I have a large number of 5-star reviews too. I only review the albums I really like. Smile
But many members won't read reviews by people who only review the albums that they like. They feel like they're reading love letters.

You have a point. I think my reviews look more like long, boring history essays than love letters.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BrufordFreak Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2020 at 16:42
Like many who have contributed to this thread, I prefer to rate & review albums that I like; I'm all about promoting & heralding the good stuff I hear. 

For the longest time I used the 3 star rating as the standard for "albums/music/artistry that I respect because I know I could do no better." But the PA quotes for four stars using the word "excellent" and "good, but non-essential" for three stars has finally led me to return to many of my old ratings to adjust them. There are many albums that I rated as "good"/three stars that really aren't (and have thus been demoted to two stars), and many more that I rated as "excellent"/four stars that really shouldn't be considered "an excellent addition to any prog rock music collection." And many of my abundant "masterpiece" ratings have been downgraded to four stars because I really can't use the word "essential" when recommending them to others; "excellent," yes; "essential,"  that's really high praise.

I agree with what SteveG said on page one:  one star ratings are for really horrible sounding recordings (most of which occur in the old bootleg world)--or for truly low-achieving infantile music.
 
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

it's probably because I love them. So that's why I have a large number of 5* reviews.
 

It's the same reason why I have a large number of 5-star reviews too. I only review the albums I really like. Smile


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SteveG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2020 at 16:50
Well, to be honest, as someone who spent many years doing A&R for record companies like EMI, l had to be critical of what some artists were presening to the company.I didn't like hurting poeple's feeling but sometimes songs and/or lyrics just didn't work. The thing is if these poeple could do better, you just had to tell them. And usually they did.I feel same about reviews. It's not about being a fan to me.

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Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

I don't review albums I don't like, so the lowest review I'll give is three stars.
Not that I don't think there are one star albums. 

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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Well, to be honest, as someone who spent many years doing A&R for record companies like EMI, l had to be critical of what some artists were presening to the company.I didn't like hurting poeple's feeling but sometimes songs and/or lyrics just didn't work. The thing is if these poeple could do better, you just had to tell them. And usually they did.I feel same about reviews. It's not about being a fan to me.
 
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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Well, to be honest, as someone who spent many years doing A&R for record companies like EMI, l had to be critical of what some artists were presening to the company.I didn't like hurting poeple's feeling but sometimes songs and/or lyrics just didn't work. The thing is if these poeple could do better, you just had to tell them. And usually they did.I feel same about reviews. It's not about being a fan to me.

 
So, you're the reason we have RIO. Tongue
 
 
No, as I can't tell good RIO from bad. ;)

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If one star means I don't like it, there are many of them. However, the fact I don't like them doesn't mean they're not good, they just don't appeal to my taste. As an example, most prog metal falls into this category.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2020 at 05:56
I would rate (and have rated) only albums from artists I know and like, genres I enjoy. 
I would never rate poorly an artist that is not my thing, that i would never listen to anyway. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I would rate (and have rated) only albums from artists I know and like, genres I enjoy. 
I would never rate poorly an artist that is not my thing, that i would never listen to anyway. 
So if you auto-buy a new release of your favorite artist/band and it's a stinker you would not rate the album?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote thief Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2020 at 06:26
I've only had ~30 reviews or so, but awarded a few 1 star ratings without stressing about it too much.

Generally, I'd rather read (and trust) a reviewer who is hesitant to give out 5 stars instead of 1's. These guys are usually very honest and thoughtful. The mere fact that I LIKE something isn't NEARLY enough to award the highest rating, in my book.

Also, 1 star ratings shouldn't be reserved only for bootleg/garage/"sonic experiment gone wrong" music. Perfectly produced & promoted also DESERVE 1 star time and time again - it boils down to being dull, unoriginal, cheap, dishonest etc. And there is plenty of that in Prog.

By the way, cross-genres comparisons (i.e. symphonic is 4-5 stars always, rap is 1 full stop) is a bit silly.

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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I would rate (and have rated) only albums from artists I know and like, genres I enjoy. 
I would never rate poorly an artist that is not my thing, that i would never listen to anyway. 
So if you auto-buy a new release of your favorite artist/band and it's a stinker you would not rate the album?

Yes, I would. I thought it's what I just meant.

DT - The Astonishing is a good example. 
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I would rate (and have rated) only albums from artists I know and like, genres I enjoy. 
I would never rate poorly an artist that is not my thing, that i would never listen to anyway. 
So if you auto-buy a new release of your favorite artist/band and it's a stinker you would not rate the album?
And this is the heart of my feelings Mr. Grumps, but said much more succinctly by you. We all get a "stinker" from our heroes from time to time. Often more bad then good with some of them, but they still deserve the ink as we purchased these albums site unseen. Not as retribution for purchasing a bad album but as an obligation to others who will purchase them based on a whim. 

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^Well said. It should be a reviewers obligation to warn others about the quality of the release. No reviewer should only review what they like.
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I would rate (and have rated) only albums from artists I know and like, genres I enjoy. 
I would never rate poorly an artist that is not my thing, that i would never listen to anyway. 
So if you auto-buy a new release of your favorite artist/band and it's a stinker you would not rate the album?

That I would do.
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I sometimes try an album, find it absolutely not in my taste, but I don't give it a poor rating. It feels a bit unfair for me to rate albums with music styles that I don't like. The album may be very well received by fans of that particular genre, so I'd rather not rate it at all. That may give it a more accurate average rating than if I gave it 1 star.

Albums I would give 1-2 stars are those somewhat within my musical taste, but that is straight out bad or there's something about it that turns me off.
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I'm working on one, ask Mosh. ;-)

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote octopus-4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2020 at 16:15
Since 2006 I've given few 1-stars. Usually is when artists that I like release a stinker. Keeping people away from those stinkers helps the artists, too.
Imagine a guy who approaches Camel for the first time and buys The Single Factor. He will surely miss a masterpiece like Moonmadness. Imagine that you have read something about a Greek keyboardist and his collaborations with Jon Anderson...then you listen to Suffocation from See You Later. Would you buy anything else from Vangelis?
1 star ratings may be useful.
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Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:

Acting very strange is a good one! That is a horrible one star album! Makes me wonder what Mike was thinking! Even Mike and the Mechanics isn't as horrible. At least I don't think so.Tongue

Some of the songs weren't that bad and were even catchy but the problem was with Mike's singing which was absolutely wretched. His singing makes Tony Banks' singing sound like Phil Collins. Speaking of Tony Banks his fugitive album is one I thought was pretty bad when I first heard it but it sort of grew on me(warts and all). Some albums aren't really so much bad as they are just downright boring.


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If you buy something, and that purchase makes you mad: You simply have the urge to express your pain. I'm not talking about albums and books and such stuff here, but things that are malfunctioning or lacking decent quality. You want to have the revenge and warn people not to buy that product.

If you listen to something, and that disappoints you: You generally ignore it. But if you listen to some awesome stuff, you want others to listen to that too. Some people do it out of their goodness, some want their "idolized/iconized" album to get more attention, which would indirectly satisfy their ego and reassure that they have good taste/understanding in music.

This is why "complaints" are more abundant than "compliments" in the marketing sphere, about the products' physical or functional aspects; while it is almost the contrary regarding the cultural productions that enrich and reflect people's "tastes" and/or apprehension.
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