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Poll Question: Nominate one song, and vote for three.
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My first African-influenced song is from Sonia Dada, which is a band I posted way back in the beginning.  If you remember that funky and loud track, you might be surprised at how different this one sounds.  This band, which was unfortunately ignored by the public, is very versatile, made up of many lead singers and performers, all of which were originally street musicians in New York City.

Sonia Dada - Don't Go (Giving Your Love Away) - the live version 



Here's a jazz band that often mixes African influences to create some excellent sound.

Groove Collective - Rentstrike



Everyone knows of David Byrne's love of African music and how he incorporated it in his music, and also that of Talking Heads.  This one is one of my favorite tracks from them that is a little less known, but is more relevant at this time than ever.  The lyrics deal with someone who is trying to live in paradise but can't lose his love of modern convenience.  Quite funny, actually.

Talking Heads - "(Nothing But) Flowers"



Karl Jenkins is from Wales, but he has always mixed styles from other countries with his style.  His project Adiemus uses Celtic style harmonics with African styles (among others) and it always works quite well.  

Adiemus - "Kayama"






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Talking Heads video shows as "unavailable" here.
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Talking Heads video shows as "unavailable" here.

Try this one (the only difference I can see is the other one I posted was the remastered version):




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Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

When I read the title I knew I had to nominate this song Big smile It's rather long so I'll make it my only suggestion to this poll.


Excellent choice!  I have been discovering a lot of Black Bombaim lately as I loved the 2019 release as you know already.  That might disqualify the track for me since I'm already familiar with the style and it gives it an unfair advantage, but we'll see what happens.  Love it  Thumbs Up

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote suitkees Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2020 at 11:12
Now, since we're talking Talking Heads, I cannot not propose a song from Angélique Kidjo covering their whole Remain in Light album (and in a fantastic way, indeed! With Tony Allen on drums!). And, in order not to propose Once in a Lifetime: Angélique Kidjo - Born Under Punches:



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This time I am going to reprise Senegalese kora player, Seckou Keita, three ways.  I introduced him in, I think, the first of these polls that I participated in. He's wonderfully versatile, these three pieces, are all different from one another and he presents the kora in collaborations and also a lovely solo piece here.    It's going to take every bit of restraint I have to not vote for the tractor, lol!  LOL  And, wonderful idea for a poll, I don't know a lot of African music, more Middle Eastern, so I'm looking forward to some edumacation from all of you.  

First is him, solo, with "If Only I Knew."  

Second is with Omar Sosa, "Fatiliku"  

Third is with Natacha Atlas and Sami Bishai, "DUWA" 




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Sorry, but I really meant to post this one too and I forgot earlier. 

This comes from a traditional village song in Guinea in West Africa.  It always seems to move me.

Paul Winter Consort - "Minuit"



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For tune #2, revisiting an artist I had nominated before.

Ginger Baker - African Force

Another amazing drummer. This tune has got some funky bass to it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2020 at 16:24
My African favourite is probably Rokia Traore from Mali, but I had her already in one of these polls, so this is out of competition:

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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:



(I don't know why PA won't accept the YouTube vids I upload.)


This sometimes happens to me, and I have found out that it tends to happen when I don't play the video properly from beginning without interruption but rather jump somewhere in the middle. I found a solution, at least for me, which is to stop the video, delete it from the youtube search history, and then play it again from the beginning (I don't have to play the whole video before linking it, but I shouldn't "jump").    

By the way, started to play the playlist, and the KOKOKO is already really, really cool and electrifying. Another great poll, I guess!


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Hahaha, I just see that the guy on whose youtube account the Jasper Van't Hof video is posted is Dissidenten drummer Marlon Klein, and he's also the drummer on that one. Jasper Van't Hof is great by the way. I saw him playing Pili Pili live at some point in the 80s or 90s. In the early 70s he was in a free rock jazz outfit called Association P.C. who are listed on PA (although quite outlandish for PA's standards), and at least two of their albums are great.


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Originally posted by twseel twseel wrote:

I guess I could give you this funky favorite of mine:

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Video doesn't play for me (U.S.), so it's not included in the playlist. See if you can find another video, and I'll add. 
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Had some listening space today, so here are my thoughts on the first page, on first listen.  Thank you to The Anders for a fun and different slant than we've had for a while, to George for starting the listening YT link and also, always, to Lorenzo for being the originator of these polls. Nice to see some new faces, too, welcome!

The Anders:  Kokoko! “Malembe” Well, this is a TON of fun!  Love that they made so many of the instruments as well as the music.  It’s very spirited, both modern and somehow also ancient in feel.  The washboard/guitar thing is very cool.   The Tractor.  I love that.  One could say it was very minimalist, as it made no sound at all, even though tractors are known to be a bit noisy. 

Samuel:  Black Bombaim “Africa II”  Lots of Dead Can Dance sounding clacky things in the background, with wonderful, fuzzy electric guitar over the top, then moving on into more intensity from both the percussion and guitar.  About halfway through, guitar drops out and it moves into a great sax solo with bass and the ever-present clackies. Smooth guitar chords and riffs in a much quieter way, with the sax duetting along.  Guitar intensifies again for quite a while, eventually they all quietly exit into deep space.  I liked it!

George:  Steward Copeland & Gizmo “Koteja”  This one has a fun sound to it (so much African music has an upbeat feel, doesn’t it?).  Very rhythmic with first an African melodic vocal, then a rap in English, back to the African melodic bits and call and response with the audience.  Electric lead and bubbling along under bass with very precise drumming undernearth. 

Easy Money:  King Sunny Ade “365 is my Number/The Message” Very gentle, village-y feel here, I love the soft blending of the vocals when everyone joins in singing with him.  The jam is very cool, as you’d indicated.  Lots of twisty guitar and a deep bass-y guitar twanging along, with tons of understated klicky-clacky percussion.  Gets very trance-y too, with guitar curlicue adornments, then they get all plinky towards the end as they gently fade away.

Greg: Ali Farka Toure “Savane” The modality kind of feels Middle Eastern, here, interesting hollow-ish guitar tone and interplay between that sound and a twangy kind of picked sound, plus some really low, bass-y notes.  Love his vocal quality as well.  Ladysmith Black Mambazo “Diamonds On The Soles of Her Shoes”  We carried this group many times on the buses.  All a capella, done in a light-hearted style, plenty o’ rhythm.  Miriam Makeba with Hugh Masekela “Soweto Blues” Beautiful, soulful vocals and you can’t beat Hugh Masekela’s style. This was done in documentary style, something we’ve not seen much of in these polls, but it only added to get more of the story, and then move back  to the music. 

Drew:  I knew what you brought would not disappoint.  Samite “Night Stories”  Begins with kalimba or marimba and some really gorgeous layered vocals, almost sounds prayerful.  Distant horn intersperses from time to time with those haunting vocals, as the kalimba sound continues as the foundation of the piece.  Little bits of harmonics drift in from time to time, reminds me of stars twinkling in night skies.  As far as I’m concerned, this could have gone on twice as long and still seem short.  Hamza El Din “Nagrishad”  This one, I will have to recuse myself from.  I have this on CD and have been lucky enough to see Hamza El Din live a couple of times in a very small, beautiful old church in Santa Cruz.  Just a wonderful musician, a completely authentic performance and mesmerizing piece. 

Lewian:  Tony Allen & Hugh Masekela “Never (Lagos Never Gonna Be The Same)” Jazzy piece (as expected), very infectious groove, staccato vocals, great understated drumming, too.  Sad and moving memorial piece, taking it all down to some of what life is all about.  Dissidenten “fata morgana”  Has the feeling very much of Moroccan village music (which I enjoy), but in a modern setting.  So much Middle Eastern music is geared toward dance, so the beat doesn’t bother me, it’s just a bit odd to my ear without the heavier sound of oud and dumbek.  Gives it a lighter touch. 

dwill123:  Soul Makossa “Mano Dibango”  Funky, repetitious vocals, steady beat throughout with horn punctuating, also repeating it’s own sound.  Vocals come back in and out, then there’s a more full horn section, which also repeats. 

suitkees:  Sunburst “Vijana”  Definitely more rock than we’ve been hearing thus far.  Interesting to hear a more “standard,” rock structure, but with a decidedly African edge.  I like the bass in this one a lot.  They close it out with a bit of a horn, then a fuzzy bass-y guitar solo.  Pili Pili “Hoomba Hoomba”  A jazz/rock-type setting here, which is nice to hear.  Lots of effected keys and horn in this with a steady conga player setting the pace.  Angelique is fun to watch in this live setting, also, when she finally gets a chance to add her part.  Afro Celt Sound System “When I Still Needed You”  Begins with some keys sounding vaguely concertina-like and a way-back-there drone underneath it.  Some guitar and bass starts building up and some drum and light cymbal-ly thing accenting the sound here and there.  Pretty, fairly deep female voice, with just a touch of vibrato, comes in about halfway in, building the tension nicely.  I really like what the acoustic guitar is doing underneath all of this.  This is my favourite of the 3 you brought this time. 

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my nomination


I also thought of Myrath, Tunisian/French band, but I don't wanna torture anyone with progressive metal meets Tunisian folklore. 

Also Shaking the Tree by Peter Gabriel would work here. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2020 at 12:14
I had planned to go for some Fela Kuti and maybe something off Afreaka, but this will probably be my nomination (I love it).

Lokonon Andre Isidore et l’ Orchestre Les Volcans - "Glenon Ho Akue"



This so long that I don't expect people to listen:





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First impression, page 2:

Mike:  Sonia Dada “Don’t Go (Giving Your Love Away)”  Starts with some bass and laid back percussion.  Lovely, lovely female vocals, with pretty, pretty harmonies.  Nice easy-going organ kicks in, song mentions summer breezes, the song does feel very summery.    Groove Collective “Rentstrike” Very retro jazz sounding (as in big band type) to start, then kicks in with a more modern sound.  Horns have a great groove, backed with strong percussion and plinky (I know, my technical terminology is wanting) keyboard accents with some whirlies thrown in.  Nice sax solo follows with keyboard interplay.  Then it gets a bit skewed.  Fun listen, with so many change-ups.   Talking Heads [Nothing But] Flowers”  I quite enjoyed them back in the day, nice to revisit this one, I like what they did with the remix, too.  Adiemus “Kayama”  Really gorgeous African-style layered vocals begin this one.  Keyboard washes way down in the mix and some gentle percussion, as the vocals continue in the opening fashion.  Flute (or a flute-ish instrument) kicks in, about halfway in, then more of an orchestral sound joins the keyboard wash, then the piece concludes with a reprise from all and a big crescendo and fade out of the vocals.  Paul Winter Consort “Minuit”  I remember this well, really a beautiful piece of music, one of the early ones of it’s kind.  I never knew the origins of it.   

Cristi:  Inariwen “Toumast Tincha”  Aw, come on, you got me curious about the torture by progressive metal meets Tunisian folklore!  Anyway, on to your nomination.  Male chorus of voices over twangy guitar (I never knew there was so much twang in African music, but then again, I don’t know a ton of it, so am enjoying the foray into new territory for me).  Nice guitar hook here when it comes in, and I enjoy the lead guitar that kicks in about halfway. 

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suitkees: Angelique Kidjo “Born Under Punches”  Syncopated vocals, drums and twangy Africanesque guitar.  “All I want is to breathe,” in the lyrics is particularly poignant at this time.  Powerful statement song.

George:  Ginger Baker “The African Force” Also, Ginger, The Force of Nature, himself, lol.  In the documentary about him, I loved watching him in the African village portion.  Anyway, really solid grooves (what else?) and some horn punctuations, very experimental piece in nature.  He really loved to stretch out in this kind of music and it shows.

Lewian:  Rokia Traore “Tu Voles”  Live, begins with a very warm appreciation of the audience by the artist.  Then she sings in such a beautiful, evocative voice with minimal accompaniment, which then kicks into the full band.  Even though she is softly singing, the balance is excellent, you can hear everyone.  This is my favourite of yours this time.  



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Very 80's, but I loved this song and am surprised no one brought up Johnny Clegg, here with Juluka (maybe too well known?).  

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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Hahaha, I just see that the guy on whose youtube account the Jasper Van't Hof video is posted is Dissidenten drummer Marlon Klein, and he's also the drummer on that one. Jasper Van't Hof is great by the way. I saw him playing Pili Pili live at some point in the 80s or 90s. In the early 70s he was in a free rock jazz outfit called Association P.C. who are listed on PA (although quite outlandish for PA's standards), and at least two of their albums are great.
Didn't know that Marlon Klein is also playing with Dissidenten, but it is not really a big surprise. Some names (musicians, producers...) come back with other artists, which shows we're in an interesting melting pot.
Jasper van 't Hof is world famous in the Netherlands, and I had the pleasure too to see him once with his Pili Pili band at that time. I don't know much about most of his other collaborations (he did many...), but in that same period he had an interesting album with Golden Earring drummer Cesar Zuiderwijk under the name Labyrinth (with the brilliant Dutch vocalist Julya Loko).
Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

suitkees:  Sunburst “Vijana”  Definitely more rock than we’ve been hearing thus far.  Interesting to hear a more “standard,” rock structure, but with a decidedly African edge.  I like the bass in this one a lot.  They close it out with a bit of a horn, then a fuzzy bass-y guitar solo.  Pili Pili “Hoomba Hoomba”  A jazz/rock-type setting here, which is nice to hear.  Lots of effected keys and horn in this with a steady conga player setting the pace.  Angelique is fun to watch in this live setting, also, when she finally gets a chance to add her part.  Afro Celt Sound System “When I Still Needed You”  Begins with some keys sounding vaguely concertina-like and a way-back-there drone underneath it.  Some guitar and bass starts building up and some drum and light cymbal-ly thing accenting the sound here and there.  Pretty, fairly deep female voice, with just a touch of vibrato, comes in about halfway in, building the tension nicely.  I really like what the acoustic guitar is doing underneath all of this.  This is my favourite of the 3 you brought this time.
Thanks for the feedback. I'm inclined to nominate something by Jasper van 't Hof's Pili Pili (there must be some Dutch pride left in me...) but I agree with you on the Afro Celt Sound System: that subtle interplay between African rhythms and singing with the acoustic guitar (and the electronics and sometimes celtic harp on other songs) is what I also like very much in their music. Plus good songwriting...

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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Mike:   Horns have a great groove, backed with strong percussion and plinky (I know, my technical terminology is wanting) keyboard accents with some whirlies thrown in.  



What is music without a few plinkies and whirlies?  I also like to hear a little bit of the squeamies and buzz-snorks thrown in from time to time, but only when they are fortissimo!  

Who need technical terms?  Music is the universal language!

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