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^ I am the one annoyed (for lack of a better word) by famous songs videos, especially studio versions, it's simply a pointless thing to do, hasn't everyone heard those songs, who is the video posted for? Confused The simple mention of those songs should be enough. 



Everyone except for I and Greg the Logan has ignored you. That means we get your point. Sadly no one on this thread agrees with you. Time to stop complaining. 
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Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

^ I am the one annoyed (for lack of a better word) by famous songs videos, especially studio versions, it's simply a pointless thing to do, hasn't everyone heard those songs, who is the video posted for? Confused The simple mention of those songs should be enough. 

Everyone except for I and Greg the Logan has ignored you. That means we get your point. Sadly no one on this thread agrees with you. Time to stop complaining. 

well, people have the right to post redundant videos, i got the right to complain. LOL
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^Fair enough! Wink
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The last and only time I listened to A Momentary Lapse of Reason was in 1989, and despite being rather inebriated at the time,  I remember that night quite well. "On the Turning Away" I know very well because it got so much airplay here back when I would still listen to rock radio, but Signs of Life I did not readily remember.  I would not expect everyone to know or remember such music well or so-well that a reminder might be of no benefit.

There is much music that I know so well that it may seem pointless to ever listen to again as I can anticipate every note, but I might still like to aurally experience again even when I can play that music well in my own head.  That which is pointless to you or to me may not be pointless to all others.  I find that kind of assumptive thinking quite arrogant.  When we get annoyed, often the problem isn't with others, it's with us.  We may get annoyed too easily.  If I'm annoyed, that's my problem, and sometimes I may force that problem on others which will annoy others.  Readily expressing annoyance can be really annoying, I think.  Being a pessimist and rather too cynical, I know I far to often do annoy others.  Complaining is what really annoys a lot of people, and talk to my wife, I am one hell of  a whiner. LOL  Sad, but true. At least I recognise it and feel a sense of shame about it.  Whiners never win and winners never whine I like to tell myself.

I won't tell you how to think, Cristi, but I recognise that my negativity is a problem, and wish I were more positive and would focus more on the posts and topics that I appreciate than on ones that I don't (ones where I think I can have an interesting conversation and hopefully say something insightful, although as I get older it seems I become less insightful).  People generally don't appreciate people who complain a lot, demand a lot, and take things personally a lot. Negativity begets negativity.  I do wish we would all try to be a little more tolerant, open-minded, and thick skinned, and complain a lot less (most are good here, but sometimes some of us can get rather snide, demanding, and generally bitchy). I do think it important to look at our own faults, and how others might perceive us, and be quicker to judge ourselves and what we think than others -- be sceptical about ourselves and critical of ourselves and even notions we hold dear.

We may have the right to complain, but that doesn't make it right.  And what is redundant to you or me may not be redundant to everyone.  I think how one phrases things is important, such as saying, "I would rather X because Y reasons" rather than potentially coming across as bitter and spiteful.  What may be a problem for one person might not be a problem for another, so it's important to recognise that we each speak/ think from our own perspective according to our own biases and can't always expect others to feel the same or to act in the way that we would want.  And "after a while, you can work on points for style."

So many topics turn into philosophical and psychological discussions....


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I won't tell you how to think, Cristi, but I recognise that my negativity is a problem, and wish I were more positive and would focus more on the posts and topics that I appreciate than on ones that I don't (ones where I think I can have an interesting conversation and hopefully say something insightful, although as I get older it seems I become less insightful).  People generally don't appreciate people who complain a lot, demand a lot, and take things personally a lot. Negativity begets negativity.  I do wish we would all try to be a little more tolerant, open-minded, and thick skinned, and complain a lot less (most are good here, but sometimes some of us can get rather snide, demanding, and generally bitchy). I do think it important to look at our own faults, and how others might perceive us, and be quicker to judge ourselves and what we think than others -- be sceptical about ourselves and critical of ourselves and even notions we hold dear.

We may have the right to complain, but that doesn't make it right.  And what is redundant to you or me may not be redundant to everyone.  I think how one phrases things is important, such as saying, "I would rather X because Y reasons" rather than potentially coming across as bitter and spiteful.  What may be a problem for one person might not be a problem for another, so it's important to recognise that we each speak/ think from our own perspective according to our own biases and can't always expect others to feel the same or to act in the way that we would want.  And "after a while, you can work on points for style."


I don't think I am being negative, or intolerant or narrow-minded. My only complain was about the abundance of videos of bands that don't need video presentations. That's all. I'm not even the complaining type of person. 
Disagreeing with someone does not mean I am negative or that I am complaining. It means I just have a different opinion. That's all. 

The day I have to walk on eggshells not to upset someone else here on the forum, it's gonna be a sad day (if it comes) it means I'm done here... Ouch
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

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I won't tell you how to think, Cristi, but I recognise that my negativity is a problem, and wish I were more positive and would focus more on the posts and topics that I appreciate than on ones that I don't (ones where I think I can have an interesting conversation and hopefully say something insightful, although as I get older it seems I become less insightful).  People generally don't appreciate people who complain a lot, demand a lot, and take things personally a lot. Negativity begets negativity.  I do wish we would all try to be a little more tolerant, open-minded, and thick skinned, and complain a lot less (most are good here, but sometimes some of us can get rather snide, demanding, and generally bitchy). I do think it important to look at our own faults, and how others might perceive us, and be quicker to judge ourselves and what we think than others -- be sceptical about ourselves and critical of ourselves and even notions we hold dear.

We may have the right to complain, but that doesn't make it right.  And what is redundant to you or me may not be redundant to everyone.  I think how one phrases things is important, such as saying, "I would rather X because Y reasons" rather than potentially coming across as bitter and spiteful.  What may be a problem for one person might not be a problem for another, so it's important to recognise that we each speak/ think from our own perspective according to our own biases and can't always expect others to feel the same or to act in the way that we would want.  And "after a while, you can work on points for style."


I don't think I am being negative, or intolerant or narrow-minded. My only complain was about the abundance of videos of bands that don't need video presentations. That's all. I'm not even the complaining type of person. 
Disagreeing with someone does not mean I am negative or that I am complaining. It means I just have a different opinion. That's all. 

^ It's fine to have a different opinion - you voiced your opinion three times though, I for one got a bit annoyed.
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The day I have to walk on eggshells not to upset someone else here on the forum, it's gonna be a sad day (if it comes) it means I'm done here... Ouch
Please do not leave because your opinion was contested. All I meant was that you should leave us to post our "pointless" videos in peace. 
You haven't upset us... just irritated me, that's all. As usual I'm the nuisance. Wink
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Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:


I won't tell you how to think, Cristi, but I recognise that my negativity is a problem, and wish I were more positive and would focus more on the posts and topics that I appreciate than on ones that I don't (ones where I think I can have an interesting conversation and hopefully say something insightful, although as I get older it seems I become less insightful).  People generally don't appreciate people who complain a lot, demand a lot, and take things personally a lot. Negativity begets negativity.  I do wish we would all try to be a little more tolerant, open-minded, and thick skinned, and complain a lot less (most are good here, but sometimes some of us can get rather snide, demanding, and generally bitchy). I do think it important to look at our own faults, and how others might perceive us, and be quicker to judge ourselves and what we think than others -- be sceptical about ourselves and critical of ourselves and even notions we hold dear.

We may have the right to complain, but that doesn't make it right.  And what is redundant to you or me may not be redundant to everyone.  I think how one phrases things is important, such as saying, "I would rather X because Y reasons" rather than potentially coming across as bitter and spiteful.  What may be a problem for one person might not be a problem for another, so it's important to recognise that we each speak/ think from our own perspective according to our own biases and can't always expect others to feel the same or to act in the way that we would want.  And "after a while, you can work on points for style."


I don't think I am being negative, or intolerant or narrow-minded. My only complain was about the abundance of videos of bands that don't need video presentations. That's all. I'm not even the complaining type of person. 
Disagreeing with someone does not mean I am negative or that I am complaining. It means I just have a different opinion. That's all. 

^ It's fine to have a different opinion - you voiced your opinion three times though, I for one got a bit annoyed.
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The day I have to walk on eggshells not to upset someone else here on the forum, it's gonna be a sad day (if it comes) it means I'm done here... Ouch
Please do not leave because your opinion was contested. All I meant was that you should leave us to post our "pointless" videos in peace. 
You haven't upset us... just irritated me, that's all. As usual I'm the nuisance. Wink

I was actually responding to Logan. 

If I ever upset or irritate you, it was never my intention. You were  not even the one to post the "pointless" videos, because like you said, you did not ignore my observation. LOL


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It's not just about expressing an opinion, it's how it is expressed.  You might come across as the complaining (and demanding) type when you write things like "who do you post these videos for? how many times do you need to be told not to post videos of famous songs? "  I don't know how many others are  saying that Paul should not post videos of famous songs.  My only complaint was that we have rules when it comes to posting full albums (and that embedding many videos is a problem for some when it comes to page load and data).  You seem to disagree or take issue so much with Paul that I am surprised you pay his posts and topics so much attention, but if that is your bliss....

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I am the one annoyed (for lack of a better word) by famous songs videos, especially studio versions, it's simply a pointless thing to do, hasn't everyone heard those songs, who is the video posted for? Confused The simple mention of those songs should be enough.

Which is why I wrote "The last and only time I listened to A Momentary Lapse of Reason was in 1989, and despite being rather inebriated at the time,  I remember that night quite well. "On the Turning Away" I know very well because it got so much airplay here back when I would still listen to rock radio, but Signs of Life I did not readily remember.  I would not expect everyone to know or remember such music well or so-well that a reminder might be of no benefit ... That which is pointless to you or to me may not be pointless to all others. I find that kind of assumptive thinking quite arrogant.  When we get annoyed, often the problem isn't with others, it's with us."

I found the claim that it is pointless to be a problematic assertion.  That, said, I will assume that the videos are posted more for Paul by Paul than for anybody else.  We tend to be rather selfish posters who do it for our own benefit, even when we feel like we don't want to.  I don't enjoy doing moderation, but have discomfort when I don't.  Sometimes I do it very badly which make me feel terrible.

I like to say, feel free to speak your mind, but mind your speech.  I often feel like I'm walking on eggshells here.  Heck, I have said some very controversial things before, hold some controversial views, and taken controversial actions.  Trying to live in a polite society where we can express our ideas and be genuine can be very difficult.  

I like to see diversity of opinion -- that lends itself to more interesting discussions and I know that I like to have my notions challenged and I do change my mind about things and can come to appreciate different perspectives especially when thoughtfully expressed.  I am not one who should say that we should always avoid causing offence, and I am a great believer in freedom of speech (within certain limits), fighting bad ideas with good ideas....


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^Thanks, Greg. And now...
Another pointless video:
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^^ Father Christmas: You have the dubious honour of being the first to post a Jordan Sweeto video (whoever he is) on Prog Archives, just as I have the dubious honour of being the first to post a Britney Spears video here, which I've since deleted to everyone's relief, no doubt. Smile

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I don't see value to the topic or discussion in bringing two "Pointless" videos into this  Pink Floyd topic.  I'd rather people try to make a point rather than just repeat a gag (and I'm one who can appreciate off-topic conversation).  There, I expressed my honest opinion.  Rebuttal?
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

It's not just about expressing an opinion, it's how it is expressed.  You might come across as the complaining (and demanding) type when you write things like "who do you post these videos for? how many times do you need to be told not to post videos of famous songs? "  I don't know how many others are  saying that Paul should not post videos of famous songs.  My only complaint was that we have rules when it comes to posting full albums (and that embedding many videos is a problem for some when it comes to page load and data).  You seem to disagree or take issue so much with Paul that I am surprised you pay his posts and topics so much attention, but if that is your bliss....

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I am the one annoyed (for lack of a better word) by famous songs videos, especially studio versions, it's simply a pointless thing to do, hasn't everyone heard those songs, who is the video posted for? Confused The simple mention of those songs should be enough.

Which is why I wrote "The last and only time I listened to A Momentary Lapse of Reason was in 1989, and despite being rather inebriated at the time,  I remember that night quite well. "On the Turning Away" I know very well because it got so much airplay here back when I would still listen to rock radio, but Signs of Life I did not readily remember.  I would not expect everyone to know or remember such music well or so-well that a reminder might be of no benefit ... That which is pointless to you or to me may not be pointless to all others. I find that kind of assumptive thinking quite arrogant.  When we get annoyed, often the problem isn't with others, it's with us."

I found the claim that it is pointless to be a problematic assertion.  That, said, I will assume that the videos are posted more for Paul by Paul than for anybody else.  We tend to be rather selfish posters who do it for our own benefit, even when we feel like we don't want to.  I don't enjoy doing moderation, but have discomfort when I don't.  Sometimes I do it very badly which make me feel terrible.

I like to say, feel free to speak your mind, but mind your speech.  I often feel like I'm walking on eggshells here.  Heck, I have said some very controversial things before, hold some controversial views, and taken controversial actions.  Trying to live in a polite society where we can express our ideas and be genuine can be very difficult.  

I like to see diversity of opinion -- that lends itself to more interesting discussions and I know that I like to have my notions challenged and I do change my mind about things and can come to appreciate different perspectives especially when thoughtfully expressed.  I am not one who should say that we should always avoid causing offence, and I am a great believer in freedom of speech (within certain limits), fighting bad ideas with good ideas....

I have always watched my language when i post and I've never premeditatedly hurt anyone. I too believe it's not just what you say that matters but how you say it. I choose my words carefully when i post and sometimes with a little bit of difficulty since I am a bit of an introvert. 

I don't know what's going on and how I end up upsetting others.  Makes little sense to me. Confused
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Let's smile a bit, people! Big smile

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^ That was certainly different! Tongue

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^^* I definitely am an introvert but have the advantage (and shame and sadness) of full-well knowing how I upset others.  When I was younger I loved fighting on the internet.  My worst flamewar insult might have been "I've seen turds in the toilet bowl with more wit than you."  I was so very arrogant, now I'm just kind of arrogant.

^^ I'm all smiles.



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^ That was certainly different! Tongue
 

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Let's smile a bit, people!
A novel notion!
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Rebuttal?
No, you're right. I will refrain from posting pointless videos from now.
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^ Father Christmas: You have the dubious honour of being the first to post a Jordan Sweeto video (whoever he is) on Prog Archives, just as I have the dubious honour of being the first to post a Britney Spears video here, which I've since deleted to everyone's relief, no doubt. Smile

Not planning on deleting my pointless videos though! Unless Logan hides them...
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^^ Father Christmas: You have the dubious honour of being the first to post a Jordan Sweeto video (whoever he is) on Prog Archives, just as I have the dubious honour of being the first to post a Britney Spears video here, which I've since deleted to everyone's relief, no doubt. Smile



Why did you delete Britney Spears video? She was the hottest girl around in my time!
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Originally posted by judahbenkenobi judahbenkenobi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:


^^ Father Christmas: You have the dubious honour of being the first to post a Jordan Sweeto video (whoever he is) on Prog Archives, just as I have the dubious honour of being the first to post a Britney Spears video here, which I've since deleted to everyone's relief, no doubt. Smile



Why did you delete Britney Spears video? She was the hottest girl around in my time!
 
I can't argue with that. Smile
 
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