Facemask - the new norm and fassion

chopper wrote: One thing puzzles me - the official Government stats page says covid deaths are "deaths within 28 days of positive test". Is that deaths for any reason? What happens if I test positive and then get run over by a bus the next day?

They'll just say that you were hit by a train.

essexboyinwales wrote: lazland wrote: chopper wrote: essexboyinwales wrote: Easy Money wrote: Re Lazland: The laws you mention may seem draconian when applied to young people, but the goal here is to stop the spreading. Young people may not be as likely to get severely ill (yet sometimes they do), but they can still be spreaders that eventually bring the germs to those that are old or have pre-existing conditions Exactly. Re this whole thread, I find it completely unbelievable how anyone with any level of intelligence can possibly think that covid19 is fake news. JUST THINK ABOUT IT SOME MORE..... I agree, but there are plenty of people who think it is fake news (Piers Corbyn) and there are plenty of people who think the earth is flat and man has never walked on the moon. f**k me this is tiresome. I have not once, not once, suggested that Covid 19 is fake news. Not once. I have accused the media and politicians of hysterical reporting and actions. They are two completely different things. Compare me to who you like, but Piers bloody Corbyn? He’s a loony. I would like to think I am a little bit more rational than that, at least until about sunset. Neither myself nor Chopper were suggesting that YOU thought that covid19 is fake news! I agreed with the comment from Easymoney in response to your post, then left a gap and made a further comment on the thread, not about you...and Chopper responded to that....

SteveG wrote: someone_else wrote: essexboyinwales wrote: Re this whole thread, I find it completely unbelievable how anyone with any level of intelligence can possibly think that covid19 is fake news. JUST THINK ABOUT IT SOME MORE..... I could not find a single post in which anyone suggests that COVID-19 is fake news. JUST READ IT ONCE MORE..... . It's just the fact that the measures are draconic beyond proportions and way more harmful to most people than the disease could ever be. And I (call me a conspiracy theorist if you want) suspect that the contamination rate may be cranked up because the reliability of the tests is moot. Fake news? No, but the way the journo's on the Dutch TV report about it, and the quantity (between 75% and 85% of all news is my guess), has more to do with brainwashing than with reporting and I find this extremely annoying. Yes, we get it. This deadly and tragic disease is just exaggerated by the press and governments for the mere purpose of brainwashing people to stay home, wear masks and put people in a state of anxiety just for the fun of it. As you have offered no sensible reason for this mass exaggeration then just for fun is as good as any other.

lazland wrote: Easy Money wrote: This is not pointing the finger at anyone in this thread, but more an observation based on my listening to many sources. Haggling over statistics and laws is pointless, keep it simple: Listen to your doctor, wear a mask, keep some distance, stop spreading germs so we can all put this behind us. Lets all pull together on this so we can move on someday. And I would not disagree with a word of this. At the risk of continuing the debate though, John, I might add that you do not need to lockdown an entire economy in order to achieve this.

I've already said I don't support total lockdown. Read my post you just quoted, I see no mention of a lockdown my friend. Keep it simple.

lazland wrote: SteveG wrote: someone_else wrote: essexboyinwales wrote: Re this whole thread, I find it completely unbelievable how anyone with any level of intelligence can possibly think that covid19 is fake news. JUST THINK ABOUT IT SOME MORE..... I could not find a single post in which anyone suggests that COVID-19 is fake news. JUST READ IT ONCE MORE..... . It's just the fact that the measures are draconic beyond proportions and way more harmful to most people than the disease could ever be. And I (call me a conspiracy theorist if you want) suspect that the contamination rate may be cranked up because the reliability of the tests is moot. Fake news? No, but the way the journo's on the Dutch TV report about it, and the quantity (between 75% and 85% of all news is my guess), has more to do with brainwashing than with reporting and I find this extremely annoying. Yes, we get it. This deadly and tragic disease is just exaggerated by the press and governments for the mere purpose of brainwashing people to stay home, wear masks and put people in a state of anxiety just for the fun of it. As you have offered no sensible reason for this mass exaggeration then just for fun is as good as any other.  And it is comments such as this which make a serious debate virtually impossible. You know I respect your intelligence and contributions to the forum rather highly, but this does you no credit whatsoever. I will not speak for others such as Someone Else, but my main objection has been the total and utter lack of nuance and intelligent debate surrounding a virus which, although proven to be fatal to some, particularly, but not exclusively, vulnerable people, is, in fact, pretty mild or non-existent for most of the people who get it. That is a fact, and it is a fact which is not heard too loudly, if at all, in all the coverage around “deadly virus”, “killer disease” and etc. John (Easy Money) acknowledged that point, and I wish that you would. I am not a conspiracy theorist. I tend to the belief that most government actions or inactions and sh*te decisions are based on cock-ups rather than a deliberate attempt to piss us all off. I have met many politicians over the years, especially when I was a trade union official, and I found most of them to be decent, honourable, and well intentioned people. There will be a price to pay for the measures put in place by many countries. Economic, social, mental health, physical health being the greatest. When this is the case, it is right and proper that people and their elected representatives, and the media from which most of us get our news (I am not on social media, I consider much of it to be pointless and moronic) have a rational and informed debate about evidence, choices, and potential outcomes. It is this which strikes me as being absent. I am as offended as you by the moronic behaviour of some in your country and mine who come up with ridiculous conspiracy theories, and choose to carry on as if absolutely nothing was wrong. I have never made such arguments, but what I will say is this. If you take away their stupid noises, there is still no rational discussion coming from our leaders, and it is the utter calamity of the reaction to the pandemic by governments which provides fodder for the nutters. I might also add that the WHO of all organisations is condemning lockdowns, precisely because of the social, health, and economic costs that these bring.

I'm sorry you feel as you do Steve, but my gripe with Some_One _Else is not his claims of draconian measures or lack of freedoms, of which I said I agree with. The government running your life is not conducive to any form of constitutional freedoms. What I object to is the lack of stated reasons for these draconian measures which seem to be totally secondary, as if the government or WHO is telling people to shower 10 times a day and enforcing that rule. There is no rational or scientific reason for that. However, there are sound reasons for lockdowns, mask wearing and the like. The degree of such measures is what should be debated, not the need, implication or enforcement of those measures.

It's also worth noting that this pandemic will not last forever.  Restaurants and bars will be reopened, along schools, gyms, etc. And people will be allowed to gather in public again, without the need or edict to wear masks, isolate, etc. In other words, these rules and practices infringing on us are temporary and no one in his right mind, who enjoys life, would wish to continue them when the pandemic is over. Furthermore, the courts and all those who are empowered to enforce the rights of people have not disappeared with the virus. If these measures are deamed by them to be unconstitutional, then so be it. But this has not happened in any large shape of form.

Edited by SteveG - October 23 2020 at 08:40

Hi,

no one is bothered by the misspelling of "fashion" in the thread title? I find it funny, if there's a word that deserves a misspelling is "fashion" 

Psychedelic Paul wrote: Cristi wrote: no one is bothered by the misspelling of "fashion" in the thread title? I find it funny, if there's a word that deserves a misspelling is "fashion"  FASSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Yes, I had noticed the obvious misspelling, but I didn't want to be too pedantic about it.

Psychedelic Paul wrote: Cristi wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: Cristi wrote: no one is bothered by the misspelling of "fashion" in the thread title? I find it funny, if there's a word that deserves a misspelling is "fashion"  FASSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Yes, I had noticed the obvious misspelling, but I didn't want to be too pedantic about it. so if anyone points out a spelling mistake, they are pedantic?  The original poster, Icarium, is from Tigerstaden (wherever that is), so I'm guessing English isn't his first language and I didn't want to be picky about his spelling. After all, I doubt if my spelling would be much good in your native language either.

Psychedelic Paul wrote: ^ I can see you have a passion for fashion!