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The debut by Montrose is one of the best hard rock records of the decade. Fo sho!
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Personally i use it. It has a better ring than hard rock sometimes. I agree that it works for those crossover bands that range from hard rock to heavy metal. Sort of the grey area in between.

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Personally i use it. It has a better ring than hard rock sometimes. I agree that it works for those crossover bands that range from hard rock to heavy metal. Sort of the grey area in between.

I do too(sometimes at least). I'm glad to see I'm not the only one although we definitely seem to be in the minority. Definitely a grey area and I'm rather surprised that some of the other music people on here can't see it(or hear it).  For example I've been listening to the early Van Halen albums lately(to honor the late great EVH) and for me I don't really hear hard rock. I hear something beyond it. Something almost metallish(actually it was at least metallish and in fact wikipedia classifies them as both heavy metal and hard rock). Someone on here implied that it can't be metal because it would have to be as heavy as Black Sabbath. That's nonsense. In that case everything in the eighties couldn't be metal if it's not as heavy as slayer and then iron maiden wouldn't be HM. Lot's of stuff that is considered metal was not as heavy as BS even in the eighties. Regardless, I'm not saying VH were metal but they came pretty close in the early days(imo)and were definitely heavier than standard hard rock. To call something like Queen's "stone cold crazy" just plain old hard rock is a bit off the mark too. 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote siLLy puPPy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2020 at 17:44
I do too(sometimes at least). I'm glad to see I'm not the only one although we definitely seem to be in the minority. Definitely a grey area and I'm rather surprised that some of the other music people on here can't see it(or hear it).  For example I've been listening to the early Van Halen albums lately(to honor the late great EVH) and for me I don't really hear hard rock. I hear something beyond it. Something almost metallish(actually it was at least metallish and in fact wikipedia classifies them as both heavy metal and hard rock). Someone on here implied that it can't be metal because it would have to be as heavy as Black Sabbath. That's nonsense. In that case everything in the eighties couldn't be metal if it's not as heavy as slayer and then iron maiden wouldn't be HM. Lot's of stuff that is considered metal was not as heavy as BS even in the eighties. Regardless, I'm not saying VH were metal but they came pretty close in the early days(imo)and were definitely heavier than standard hard rock. To call something like Queen's "stone cold crazy" just plain old hard rock is a bit off the mark too. 




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Individual songs, or several songs in a catalog for me don't define an overall tone of a band. Every rock band has their hard heavy metal moments as well soft rock pop moments.

There certainly is an argument to be made to define each album on its own merits, but I would not want to be a part of that process.
If an album has 10 songs and 7 of them are heavy metal and 3 of them are soft rock ballads....then what?? The next argument will be each song......bah!!

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Wait, Catcher! That's exactly it!

"Heavy Metal" + "Soft Rock" ÷ "Hard Rock" = Heavy Rock! LOL

Whew. Glad that's over.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2020 at 18:57
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Wait, Catcher! That's exactly it!

"Heavy Metal" + "Soft Rock" ÷ "Hard Rock" = Heavy Rock! LOL

Whew. Glad that's over.


Dude...ur whacked Big smileClap
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Somebody call Rolling Stone!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2020 at 21:26
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Wait, Catcher! That's exactly it!

"Heavy Metal" + "Soft Rock" ÷ "Hard Rock" = Heavy Rock! LOL

Whew. Glad that's over.


Ha ha. You just described Queen and Led Zeppelin although add folk rock and a bit of art rock/prog rock for Zepp also.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

 
"Heavy Metal" + "Soft Rock" ÷ "Hard Rock" = Heavy Rock! LOL
 
That's a perfect mathematical summary! Thumbs Up
 
That's the kind of maths you can't do on a pocket calculator. Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2020 at 10:12
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Ha ha. You just described Queen and Led Zeppelin although add folk rock and a bit of art rock/prog rock for Zepp also.

All your opinion. Stop speaking like you have the final say on Queen and Led Zeppelin. LOL
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

 
"Heavy Metal" + "Soft Rock" ÷ "Hard Rock" = Heavy Rock! LOL
 
That's a perfect mathematical summary! Thumbs Up
 
That's the kind of maths you can't do on a pocket calculator. Smile

Good thing my trusty abacus is nearby. WinkLOL
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^I'd say:
Heavy rock ---> (hard rock + 1/2 heavy metal) - soft rock
That's a nice physics equation for you.
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Physics??? This is rock and roll, baby!! LOL



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You have a point... physics + rock'n'roll --> ???
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