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verslibre 
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Nope, not classy at all. It's used commonly as a descriptor, not a label, e.g. "the heavy rock of ___ can be likened to ___," etc. |
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Posted: October 09 2020 at 14:56 |
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Hard rock and soft rock, light rock and heavy rock, igneous, sedimentary, and metamorphic rock, it all works for me.
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Posted: October 09 2020 at 14:58 |
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No need to put the word in bold. I know what it means.
 See, I bet you didn't think I was going to point that out. I'm not so predictible after all am I?  I knew you would respond yet again by calling me predictible so that makes you just as predictible(if not more so). Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - October 09 2020 at 15:00 |
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Posted: October 09 2020 at 15:00 |
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I'm good with Hard Rock, been using that term for ages, I don't need to add more descriptors.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Posted: October 09 2020 at 15:01 |
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Def Leppard, Queen, Blue Oyster Cult and early Led Zeppelin are merely hard rock? Ok. Whatever. Lol.
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Posted: October 09 2020 at 15:07 |
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Turn your spellcheck on.
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Posted: October 09 2020 at 15:11 |
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Not really....you can't list a bunch of bands and then lump them there. Like I said, to me the difference between Hard Rock and Heavy Rock is probably minute. You have to define your parameters for this Heavy Rock, not tell me band names. Similar to PA definitions, define the attributes and people can then decide where a band fits. Def Leppard = Hard Rock, Glam Rock Queen = Art Rock BOC = could be several, Prog Rock, Hard Rock, Psych Rock Led Zeppelin = Blues Band with Attitude
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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How do you feel about the term proto metal? I think that has been used to describe Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin and maybe a few others. I think Queen at least did metal or metallish songs although I wouldn't call them pure metal. The same thing with BOC(tell me godzilla isn't metallish for it's time period).
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Styx has also been called cock rock by more than one rag. You may want to add that one.
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Posted: October 09 2020 at 15:33 |
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@AFlowerKingCrimson
FYI, hard rock doesn't necessarily mean "the rock" cannot also be heavy. So, your argument doesn't make much sense, albeit except for further genre subdivision purposes. |
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What I think is if ur creating a Rock database then yea, Proto-x should exist......but for me and the bulk of general rock fans that I want to talk to, talking these deeper sub-genres will only make them go "WTH man!!" See Godzilla has a ton of metal to it, but now you are talking 1977 very heavy for that time, today not so much with bands like Anthrax, Megadeth heck even Iron Maiden.....Songs evolve based on time frame and listeners and probably are right to be re-classified. I could never call anything Queen recorded as metal(ish), hard rock yes. Queen was recording during the Black Sabbath days, so that is my comparison. To me that is why Classic Rock term has become so popular, it defines an era. The Metal Evolution chart is really good, what I like is they define years for each sub-genre....This one is good too because they define years to consider...some prog circles call 21st Century Schizoid Man as metal, maybe in 1969...but never today!  |
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Why is the term "heavy rock" rarely used?
It could be that rocks can be hard, and metals can be heavy, but not the other way. For example, the hardest substance is diamond, a rock; and the heaviest (densest) substance is osmium, a metal. |
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Posted: October 09 2020 at 16:28 |
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used the Heavy Rock genre very much back in the 70/80/90's, and that applied for bands like Rush, Triumph, but also a lot of hammond-organ driven bands (Atomic Rooster, for ex) But the difference between Hard and Heavy was minute and the line between them not easily drawn, but generally Heavy was a bit proggier than Hard, in our buddies' circles, because it included some dramatics. |
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Posted: October 09 2020 at 16:56 |
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I read someplace that the term "heavy rock" was used by a journalist after experiencing a Humble Pie concert. It's possible I guess.
I also read that the terms hard rock and heavy metal were used interchangeably for a while in the 70s. But in the second part of the 70s, heavier sounds appeared with bands like Judas Priest and Motorhead and further on with NWOBHM. Heavy rock? Best classification for a band like Black Sabbath back in the day. Hard rock and heavy rock is the same thing, although some hard rock rocks harder than other hard rock The example with Van Halen makes sense. I don't mind them being called hard rock, glam metal or heavy metal. None of them I find wrong.
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Posted: October 09 2020 at 18:18 |
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I am sure heavy rock has been used......Honestly I just don't find that term appealing, it does not roll well IMO. I have always heard, read and used Hard Rock. Like I said I'm good with that and don't see need to add that or change....Carry on!
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Posted: October 09 2020 at 19:35 |
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Never used the term "heavy rock". A band was either "hard rock" or "heavy metal". Let's not make up silly sh*t where it doesn't belong. When I think of "hard rock" I think of.... Or... Journey?
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