Forum Home Forum Home > Other music related lounges > General Music Discussions
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Why is the term "heavy rock" rarely used?
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Why is the term "heavy rock" rarely used?
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <123>
Author
Message Reverse Sort Order
  Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options
AFlowerKingCrimson View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: October 02 2016
Location: Philly burbs
Status: Offline
Points: 18269 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2020 at 16:28
I've been having trouble posting and replying on here. I'm having trouble with some sort of technical issue(logging on to PA). So if I don't reply I'm not dead. Just need to take a break until I can't figure it out. 
Back to Top
I prophesy disaster View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: December 31 2017
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 4779 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote I prophesy disaster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2020 at 16:19
Why is the term "heavy rock" rarely used?
 
It could be that rocks can be hard, and metals can be heavy, but not the other way. For example, the hardest substance is diamond, a rock; and the heaviest (densest) substance is osmium, a metal.
 
 
No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man.
Back to Top
Catcher10 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP Member

Joined: December 23 2009
Location: Emerald City
Status: Offline
Points: 17846 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2020 at 15:34
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I'm good with Hard Rock, been using that term for ages, I don't need to add more descriptors.

You homeboys carry on! Thumbs Up

Def Leppard, Queen, Blue Oyster Cult and early Led Zeppelin are merely hard rock? Ok. Whatever. Lol. 
Not really....you can't list a bunch of bands and then lump them there. Like I said, to me the difference between Hard Rock and Heavy Rock is probably minute. You have to define your parameters for this Heavy Rock, not tell me band names. Similar to PA definitions, define the attributes and people can then decide where a band fits.

Def Leppard = Hard Rock, Glam Rock
Queen = Art Rock
BOC = could be several, Prog Rock, Hard Rock, Psych Rock
Led Zeppelin = Blues Band with Attitude Clap

How do you feel about the term proto metal? I think that has been used to describe Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin and maybe a few others. 

I think Queen at least did metal or metallish songs although I wouldn't call them pure metal. The same thing with BOC(tell me godzilla isn't metallish for it's time period). 
What I think is if ur creating a Rock database then yea, Proto-x should exist......but for me and the bulk of general rock fans that I want to talk to, talking these deeper sub-genres will only make them go "WTH man!!" 
See Godzilla has a ton of metal to it, but now you are talking 1977 very heavy for that time, today not so much with bands like Anthrax, Megadeth heck even Iron Maiden.....Songs evolve based on time frame and listeners and probably are right to be re-classified.
I could never call anything Queen recorded as metal(ish), hard rock yes. Queen was recording during the Black Sabbath days, so that is my comparison. To me that is why Classic Rock term has become so popular, it defines an era.
The Metal Evolution chart is really good, what I like is they define years for each sub-genre....This one is good too because they define years to consider...some prog circles call 21st Century Schizoid Man as metal, maybe in 1969...but never today!
Back to Top
Shadowyzard View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: February 24 2020
Location: Davutlar
Status: Offline
Points: 4506 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Shadowyzard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2020 at 15:33
@AFlowerKingCrimson

FYI, hard rock doesn't necessarily mean "the rock" cannot also be heavy. So, your argument doesn't make much sense, albeit except for further genre subdivision purposes.
Back to Top
SteveG View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: April 11 2014
Location: Kyiv In Spirit
Status: Offline
Points: 20604 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SteveG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2020 at 15:22
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I was thinking about this today for some reason although it was probably partly because of the recent passing of Eddie Van Halen. Van Halen weren't really heavy metal but they were sort of beyond hard rock(imo).

For some reason the term "heavy rock" never really caught on. I think back in the 70's and 80's there were several bands who were more than just regular hard rock(ie Foreigner or ZZ Top)but not quite heavy metal. I think what happened was when the term heavy metal started to get used bands would get lumped into that category even if they didn't really quite fit that box entirely(Queen, Thin Lizzy, Deep Purple to name a few). So it sort of got to be where you were either hard rock or heavy metal with no real acknowledgement of anything in between. I think a lot of debates about whether this band or that band is heavy metal could be settled just by using the term "heavy rock." I think at one point it was used(probably just before HM became common)but not so much anymore. I think ultimately music critics just saw no need to use the term heavy rock because they didn't see a need for it. Any opinions on this or suggestions for other bands you might categorize this way?

Bands who I would categorize as "heavy rock" include the following:

Led Zeppelin
Queen
Van Halen
Def Leppard
Deep Purple
Rainbow
Whitesnake
Maybe some "hair metal" bands(I'll let you guys decide which ones)
Uriah Heep
UFO
Thin Lizzy
Several grunge bands(except Pearl Jam who aren't really that heavy imo)
Aerosmith (admittedly debatable)
Kiss
Rush
Judas Priest (first album only)
AC/DC
Blue Oyster Cult


hard rock and not heavy rock imo:

Foreigner
Journey (although some stuff borders on "heavy rock")
Kansas
ZZ Top
Boston (same as Journey with the above)
Styx


Well amigo, I don't think you're going to find the answer to your question. Even if this thread goes on for 14 pages. Wink  Have a good night.
This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State.
Back to Top
verslibre View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 01 2004
Location: CA
Status: Offline
Points: 17130 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2020 at 15:19
Styx has also been called cock rock by more than one rag. You may want to add that one. LOL
eBay
Back to Top
AFlowerKingCrimson View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: October 02 2016
Location: Philly burbs
Status: Offline
Points: 18269 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2020 at 15:15
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I'm good with Hard Rock, been using that term for ages, I don't need to add more descriptors.

You homeboys carry on! Thumbs Up

Def Leppard, Queen, Blue Oyster Cult and early Led Zeppelin are merely hard rock? Ok. Whatever. Lol. 
Not really....you can't list a bunch of bands and then lump them there. Like I said, to me the difference between Hard Rock and Heavy Rock is probably minute. You have to define your parameters for this Heavy Rock, not tell me band names. Similar to PA definitions, define the attributes and people can then decide where a band fits.

Def Leppard = Hard Rock, Glam Rock
Queen = Art Rock
BOC = could be several, Prog Rock, Hard Rock, Psych Rock
Led Zeppelin = Blues Band with Attitude Clap

How do you feel about the term proto metal? I think that has been used to describe Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin and maybe a few others. 

I think Queen at least did metal or metallish songs although I wouldn't call them pure metal. The same thing with BOC(tell me godzilla isn't metallish for it's time period). 
Back to Top
Catcher10 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP Member

Joined: December 23 2009
Location: Emerald City
Status: Offline
Points: 17846 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2020 at 15:11
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I'm good with Hard Rock, been using that term for ages, I don't need to add more descriptors.

You homeboys carry on! Thumbs Up

Def Leppard, Queen, Blue Oyster Cult and early Led Zeppelin are merely hard rock? Ok. Whatever. Lol. 
Not really....you can't list a bunch of bands and then lump them there. Like I said, to me the difference between Hard Rock and Heavy Rock is probably minute. You have to define your parameters for this Heavy Rock, not tell me band names. Similar to PA definitions, define the attributes and people can then decide where a band fits.

Def Leppard = Hard Rock, Glam Rock
Queen = Art Rock
BOC = could be several, Prog Rock, Hard Rock, Psych Rock
Led Zeppelin = Blues Band with Attitude Clap
Back to Top
verslibre View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 01 2004
Location: CA
Status: Offline
Points: 17130 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2020 at 15:07
Turn your spellcheck on. LOL
eBay
Back to Top
AFlowerKingCrimson View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: October 02 2016
Location: Philly burbs
Status: Offline
Points: 18269 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2020 at 15:01
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I'm good with Hard Rock, been using that term for ages, I don't need to add more descriptors.

You homeboys carry on! Thumbs Up

Def Leppard, Queen, Blue Oyster Cult and early Led Zeppelin are merely hard rock? Ok. Whatever. Lol. 
Back to Top
Catcher10 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP Member

Joined: December 23 2009
Location: Emerald City
Status: Offline
Points: 17846 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2020 at 15:00
I'm good with Hard Rock, been using that term for ages, I don't need to add more descriptors.

You homeboys carry on! Thumbs Up
Back to Top
AFlowerKingCrimson View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: October 02 2016
Location: Philly burbs
Status: Offline
Points: 18269 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2020 at 15:00
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Anyway, all your opinion. Stop speaking like you have the final say on everything(other than your own opinion).

What's with the 'tude? Have fun.

Ha ha. I knew you would respond with something like that. You're so predictible. Wink

You're predictable as a Jack-in-the-Box. LOL (Notice it's a comparison. I'm not calling you that. Tongue )

No need to put the word in bold. I know what it means. Wink See, I bet you didn't think I was going to point that out. I'm not so predictible after all am I?  LOL I knew you would respond yet again by calling me predictible so that makes you just as predictible(if not more so).  Wink


Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - October 09 2020 at 15:00
Back to Top
SteveG View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: April 11 2014
Location: Kyiv In Spirit
Status: Offline
Points: 20604 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SteveG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2020 at 14:58
Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

Terms, terms, terms... LOL



Heavy rock could make sense to denote the hybridity of heavy metal & hard rock, yet the name is not very classy per se, IMO.
Yeah, I remember hearing heavy rock used in some country in Scandinavia, if I'm not mistaken, as a term. It definitely does not sound elegant or rolls off the tongue, that's for sure.
This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State.
Back to Top
verslibre View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 01 2004
Location: CA
Status: Offline
Points: 17130 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2020 at 14:57
I love me some shale!
eBay
Back to Top
Logan View Drop Down
Forum & Site Admin Group
Forum & Site Admin Group
Avatar
Site Admin

Joined: April 05 2006
Location: Vancouver, BC
Status: Offline
Points: 35804 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2020 at 14:56
Hard rock and soft rock, light rock and heavy rock, igneous, sedimentary, and metamorphic rock, it all works for me.
Duos for fave acts
Back to Top
verslibre View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 01 2004
Location: CA
Status: Offline
Points: 17130 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2020 at 14:47
Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

Heavy rock could make sense to denote the hybridity of heavy metal & hard rock, yet the name is not very classy per se, IMO.

Nope, not classy at all. It's used commonly as a descriptor, not a label, e.g. "the heavy rock of ___ can be likened to ___," etc.
eBay
Back to Top
verslibre View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 01 2004
Location: CA
Status: Offline
Points: 17130 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2020 at 14:45
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Anyway, all your opinion. Stop speaking like you have the final say on everything(other than your own opinion).

What's with the 'tude? Have fun.

Ha ha. I knew you would respond with something like that. You're so predictible. Wink

You're predictable as a Jack-in-the-Box. LOL (Notice it's a comparison. I'm not calling you that. Tongue )
eBay
Back to Top
Shadowyzard View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: February 24 2020
Location: Davutlar
Status: Offline
Points: 4506 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Shadowyzard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2020 at 14:37
Terms, terms, terms... LOL

Hard rock is a "solid" one. (pun intended)

Heavy metal? Not so much. I'd have coined the genre as "sharp metal" or something. 

Heavy rock could make sense to denote the hybridity of heavy metal & hard rock, yet the name is not very classy per se, IMO.

Edited by Shadowyzard - October 09 2020 at 14:56
Back to Top
AFlowerKingCrimson View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: October 02 2016
Location: Philly burbs
Status: Offline
Points: 18269 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2020 at 14:24
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Anyway, all your opinion. Stop speaking like you have the final say on everything(other than your own opinion).

What's with the 'tude? Have fun.

Ha ha. I knew you would respond with something like that. You're so predictible. Wink
Back to Top
verslibre View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 01 2004
Location: CA
Status: Offline
Points: 17130 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2020 at 14:15
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Anyway, all your opinion. Stop speaking like you have the final say on everything(other than your own opinion).

What's with the 'tude? Have fun.
eBay
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <123>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.133 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.