Where is Snarky Puppy?

Easy Money wrote: Re Meltdowner: I would imagine that since Jagga Jazzist comes from prog turned metal band Shining might have something to do with it.

JJ were actually added first on PA. I never heard Shining though, I'll have to look into them.

Yeah I've definitely brought this up before but I believe Logan said they were turned down for being too jazz. Honestly though, from Tell Your Friends onward, they've deserved to be on this site in my opinion. Especially considering the inclusion of other groups here. They certainly belong in that sort of third stream/nu jazz/acid jazz grouping, but they really are fusion enough (and often proggy) to be here (again, my opinion). Same with Chick Corea. If Miles and Herbie are here, and have most of their discography consisting of non-fusion releases, then Chick at least should really be here based on The Leprechaun through Tap Step alone.

Logan wrote: Don't really know Snarky Puppy well (remember the suggestions), but I have Jaga Jazzist's One Armed Bandit album and to me that is a no-brainer album for PA. Glad JJ is in PA. By the way, if you are wondering why this was moved to General Music Discussions from the Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation forum, that section, and all of the prog forum sections, is intended for acts already in PA. For discussions like this, General Music Discussions is the place and when formally suggesting one's for inclusion, then Suggest New Bands and Artists. Agree there doesn't seem much point in suggesting them again, but if, say, the post 2018 albums seem undeniably Prog Archives worthy, and are more compelling than earlier material, then it could be suggested again for those. It would require unanimous yes votes due to the prior rejections. When a band releases a new album it can be open to re-evaluation and I don't actually know what was the latest Snarky Puppy that was checked by JRF or how many times it was formally evaluated. I've had music I thought fit for JRF that was rejected, and I accept that. Just out of curiosity, which Snarky Puppy albums do people think make the most compelling case for addition to PA?

^ Oh yeah, it definitely has Zappa stylings. One-Armed Bandit is one of my favourite albums of the past decade.

Thanks, Awesoreno, I have no say in JRF, but I will check those out at some time. I love various Nu Jazz, by the way. St Germain is a favourite of mine for the album Tourist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX5-i7BCenw And thanks A Crimson Mellotron, will check that out anon. Right now I'm in a particular kind of lounge music mood. :lol:

As for Miles Davis, while he has a big discography, his 1969 to 1977 Electric Miles period (the five studio albums and various live albums, like four) is great and I fully supported that for PA. And I might argue that because Bitches Brew is here, Donald Byrd should be here based on Electric Byrd (Oh wait, I did over a decade ago, but too much non-suitable discography -- wish we could add worthy albums even if one of twenty without worrying about the full discography policy.   I suggested a category to cover this ages ago). And With Herbie Hancock, his albums from 1971 to 1975 made him a great addition to PA for me -- I love the Mwandishi trilogy albums especially (Crossings and Sextant in particular being two of my very favourite albums in PA). As for Corea, of course his Chick Corea Elektric Band is in PA and his Return to Forever albums. I don't know those Chick Corea albums at all well and don't know why those are not included (he is related at least, but that doesn't mean that he necessarily would be added to Related as we have a process and various criteria).

What is sometimes said is that its not enough to be Fusion, it has to fit a certain kind of Progressive Jazz-Rock/ Fusion idiom. That is one category where they had a vision/ a plan of what direction it should take, and steps to go.

Chick Corea has been suggested, by the way, and considered by the JRF team http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=75468 They had a discography concern (yes, despite the discography issues with, say, Miles Davis and Herbie Hancock). At least one can find various of his albums in PA under other listings. They had a kind of system when it came to prioritising acts to be included as well.

Edited by Logan - October 01 2020 at 12:28

Reviving this thread because I was listening to the opening suite of Sylva recently (Sintra, Flight, Atchafalaya), and it's just that good.

Logan wrote: Chick Corea has been suggested, by the way, and considered by the JRF team http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=75468 They had a discography concern (yes, despite the discography issues with, say, Miles Davis and Herbie Hancock). At least one can find various of his albums in PA under other listings. They had a kind of system when it came to prioritising acts to be included as well.

Right, but as I said before, one listen to his 1975-1980 solo albums and you'll hear the fusion. Even prog-fusion. But this isn't the thread for this.