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Poll Question: Three favourites please!
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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

I have much fun listening to Lothar and the Hand People. I had never heard of them but they seem to be synthesizer pioneers among rock bands; thanks for bringing them up!
  Glad you enjoyed them, I was worried they wouldn't sound sophisticated enough, but they are certainly a bit of electronic music history.  This record was produced by Robert Margouleff, and they enjoyed some small underground success with a 10-minute piece called "Space Hymn," from that self-titled second release.  I'm not sure whether "Machines," suits for "electronic music," (you'll have to let me know) but since it's a kind of obscure piece, am going to post it also here, at least for fun, if it's not eligible.  Video is also pretty clever. 

Hahaha, I love them. I have to get that album. Don't worry, as the opening post says, you decide whether it's electronic. That's the criterion. Problem is, if you think it doesn't fit, chances are it doesn't fit. Wink 

I'm a contructivist actually; god exists for those who believe in him because he is constructed by belief... and it's electronic music (or prog or whatever) by your thinking that it is.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2020 at 13:58
Listening to Cristi's proposals now. In the beginning I thought that's all a bit too smooth and polished for me, however no. 3 and 4 are much better than no. 1 and 2 for me. The Adrian Enescu one is a very original and fresh take on happy-go-lucky music, and Cymatics has exactly the kind of dynamic that I love about rhythmic electronic music.

One major quality of electronic music is often just this otherworldly quality, this "overprecision" which transmits some kind of unstoppability and invincibility - something human beings sometimes want to be but never are.  But something like Cymatics stops and waits for the human who wants to follow, just to go on in unstoppable manner when the listener thinks they have managed to get their hands on it. In some way this is more powerful than heavy metal - you know a heavy metal rocker will slow down and die - the computers may not... but that's just fiction, in reality they die as well, often earlier. But as long as they live, they manage to go on as if it could be forever. 

Actually everybody who like me deals with real computers all the time knows they're only human, too. The vision of this kind of electronic music is just a fantasy, but don't we all want to leave reality for a while?
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

* EDIT: Since I did five (even if allowed), to save time for others, I think I will go straight to my nomination and nominate Giorigio Moroder - "(Theme From) Midnight Express" even if it is well known. Egisto Macchi is my favourite artist of those I listed, but I prefer his music as full albums.

]Well, you can do what you want, but how on earth is that supposed to help with the number of suggestions?


How on earth? Perhaps "there are more things in heaven and Earth ... than are dreamt of in your philosophy" (Hamlet).

Save time for others because they might skip straight to my nominated choice and not feel any need to post their thoughts on five "potential nominations' or listen to and consider those non-Moroder ones at all (out of consideration for the competition). I know some will dislike the disco qualities of the Moroder, and some will know it too well.

I wouldn't have phrased things the way you have, and I'm happy if people choose to listen to all five and comment on them. To use the "suggestions" phrasing since I do like parallelism: This is intended to help with the number of suggestions because while I have mentioned five, I am not suggesting five as potential candidates; therefore, no one need feel compelled or obligated to listen to all five, or two or three or four and suggest which one of mine they think best as my nomination, or which they like best of my mentions. I skipped suggesting ones for nomination and went straight to my nomination. I kept the other four in for anyone who might be interested. I know one doesn't need to, and one can wait until the nominations are up to listen to the choices, but I have felt like I should try to listen to all that people were considering for nomination in the past to give my opinion. I haven't always done so, but giving your opinion on the potential nominations has been part of this series for a long time-- then one might decide after being influenced by what others think of your choices.

I should have said too that I likely won't have much opportunity to properly listen to all of the potential nominations and comment on them. I love music in the electronic sphere, but I'm very busy and when I'm busy I don't like to visit the forum much (too distracting). This topic likely will be my last participation in one of these polls. I tend to listen via the post embeds, but because the playlist is up and has my five mentions (mentions being the better word for me than suggestions in this case), various people likely will play through all of those. If people want to listen and comment and suggest that I nominate another of my five, that's fine too. And then I might change my mind. My thinking (and decisions) is often subject to change as new thoughts and perspectives come along and as people come up with convincing counter-arguments and interesting/ thoughtful insights.

My mind is on other things now, but I hope that clarifies my thinking some what.

Edited by Logan - September 30 2020 at 15:01
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@Logan: Fair enough. I kind of guessed that that's your thinking. For my taste it takes too much responsibility for other people unnecessarily. I mean it's clear without any apologies or compensating decisions that if you post five tracks there nobody is obliged to listen to all of them, or even any of them. We do it out of curiosity and because we love good electronic music and to discover things... or not. I don't think we do it because we feel we have to. I'll certainly listen to all five and even more if you post more, although I may not have to say something about all of them. (Have heard the first one now - it's super awesome!) But then of course it's my topic and I have suggested it for a reason...
   
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

This topic likely will be my last participation in one of these polls.
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"AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT"

My nominations:

1) Nerolux: Germania 1 (it ends at 7'55'')



2) Nerolux: La leggiadra


3) Nerolux: Yourcenar




Edited by jamesbaldwin - September 30 2020 at 16:51
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2020 at 21:30
This band came to mind for me...always liked them..

And of course this band...





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Breaking the 'rules' and posting some more. These are my alternates to first four I posted by the same artists. The earlier four track were on the longer side, ranging from 6:40 to 8:57 minutes. These are shorter, ranging from 3:41 to 4:54 but probably more 'electronic' than the first four. Notes to follow.

Meat Beat Manifesto "Unavailable Memory"

Dan Deacon "Adriane in Wonderland" 

Venetian Snares "Magnificent Stumble V2"

Banco de Gaia "Last Train to Lhasa (Radio Edit)"

1) Both Meat Beat Manifesto and Banco de Gaia are among the handful of electronic artists that I have known and listened to regularly over the last 25 or so years. The first Banco de Gaia track is from the album Big Men Cry, which has another lengthy track "Celestial" that's 'proggy' featuring sax (live, not sampled I think) from Dick Parry, who played sax on Dark Side of the Moon.

2) Dan Deacon and Venetian Snares are fairly recent (past year) discoveries for me courtesy of my Amazon music subscription. They both showed up on a weekly My Discovery playlist that I get and impressed me.

3) The preacher on the earlier Meat Beat Manifesto track is Jimmy Swaggart, sampled from a 1969 album as he ranted (sermoned) about the evils of rock music. The Meat Beat Manifesto track here is from the soundtrack to the film "Moog" about Dr. Robert Moog, inventor of the Moog synthesizer. The soundtrack has artists creating original music produced using Moog instruments. 

4) The earlier Venetian Snares had a several samples form classical pieces and the widely used "Amen, Brother" drum sample. The track here was recorded live from his house as seen in the video and is from his album, Traditional Synthesizer Music.

5) Dan Deacon is known for his interactive live shows and I would someday like to see a performance. He was specially invited to open for the Miley Cyrus/Flaming Lips tour a while back. The earlier track was part 2 of his four-part USA suite. There's a really neat 22 minute video made for [adult swim] that goes with it. The track in this post is from his soundtrack to the HBO documentary "Well Groomed" about the world of competitive creative dog grooming. Apparently it's a thing. Documentary came out last year, but the soundtrack was released just last month. 

As another bonus, here's Dan Deacon in the KEXP studio with an improvisation followed by his song "Learning to Relax". He definitely knows how to handle a knob.

I should stop.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote suitkees Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2020 at 01:17
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

This band came to mind for me...always liked them..

Except that the video doesn't show up for me. And since you mention artist nor title, I don't know what to look for (Because of this youtube unreliability it is always better to also mention artist name and title in the text...)...

@Mathman: I was very pleasantly surprised to discover your first Dan Deacon suggestion. Very good! So I am curious to discover more from him; thanks!

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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

This band came to mind for me...always liked them..

Except that the video doesn't show up for me. And since you mention artist nor title, I don't know what to look for (Because of this youtube unreliability it is always better to also mention artist name and title in the text...)...



Simple Minds -Theme For Great Cities from Sons and Fascination. Will try this one....


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Hi,

I'll nominate DAVESAX ... although I'm not sure that he will like it ... you can't talk "machines" without seeing his rig and all the stuff he builds.

He was just born 50 years too late ... TD would have appreciated him and then some! Instead, we get to!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2020 at 07:20
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

I'll nominate DAVESAX ... although I'm not sure that he will like it ... you can't talk "machines" without seeing his rig and all the stuff he builds.

He was just born 50 years too late ... TD would have appreciated him and then some! Instead, we get to!

it's hilarious that you posted in the interactive polls several times and still don't know what we're doing here.

Can you post a listening link to Davesax's music? 


Edited by Cristi - October 01 2020 at 07:21
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^ Either way, he (Brotherhood of the Machine) is on PA so it wouldn't be a valid nomination.
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Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

^ Either way, he (Brotherhood of the Machine) is on PA so it wouldn't be a valid nomination.

he is on PA? that's cool. Tongue
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mathman0806 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2020 at 07:43
I believe we have more than once made a special exception for Moshkito to allow his on PA nomination to go through.

In any case, this playlist has been much better for me to work to. I just wasn't able to with the sad songs. Enjoying the different electronic sounds posted so far.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Meltdowner Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2020 at 07:46
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:


Giorigio Moroder - "(Theme From) Midnight Express"*
I was only familiar with "The Chase" from that soundtrack, I love the 13 minute version. I had to stop the song at the beginning to figure out which Prog song had a similar melody. It's this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEnrUkDdCxw

I'll have to listen to the full Egisto Macchi album, I really liked that first track Thumbs Up


For my second suggestion I choose something live from my favourite Portuguese Electronic band. This line-up was great, they had the 70's Krautrocker, the 80's Synthpopper and the cool EDM guy.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2020 at 08:24
I wanted to add something more experimental to my suggestions... this one is still pretty intuitive and atmospheric music, not so much of the "sound research" category that I'm also tempted to include, but anyway, here is Svarte Greiner - Easy on the Bones from the excellent Knive album.

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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Simple Minds -Theme For Great Cities from Sons and Fascination. Will try this one....

Thanks! This one works for me. And it is nice to see some unknown work (to me at least) from a very well known band coming by...

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TCat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2020 at 12:46
I'm glad this one has been extended because I'm a bit busy with stuff on the site lately.  This will give everyone more of a chance to "study" the music posted.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2020 at 16:49
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

I'll nominate DAVESAX ... although I'm not sure that he will like it ... you can't talk "machines" without seeing his rig and all the stuff he builds.

He was just born 50 years too late ... TD would have appreciated him and then some! Instead, we get to!

Fair enough Davesax is on PA, however it may well be that many don't know his music. (I think I have listened to one piece once.)
If you suggest something specific, I will let it in.
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Does this count? Tongue



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