Is 'Sgt. Pepper' overrated? |
Post Reply | Page <12345 9> |
Author | |||||
Hercules
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Near York UK Status: Offline Points: 7024 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
In historical terms, it's undeniably an extremely important album. Many people seem to like it a lot.
Personally, I didn't enjoy it at all at the time and the passage of time has done nothing to change that. At the time, you were generally either a Beatles fan or a Stones fan. I never liked either.
|
|||||
A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life.
|
|||||
AFlowerKingCrimson
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 18269 |
Post Options
Thanks(1)
|
||||
The Monkees?
|
|||||
Blaqua
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 06 2016 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 242 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
In my opinion, it is a bit overrated, in that it ranks as the
greatest album of all time; hence Beatles’ best release. I always preferred the
very multifaceted and oddball White Album. |
|||||
judahbenkenobi
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 09 2017 Location: Guatemala Status: Offline Points: 844 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
Ironic Steven Wilson himself wrote these lyrics for the PT song "Time Flies": "I was born in '67 The year of Sgt. Pepper And Are You Experienced Into a suburban heaven Yeah it should've been forever It all seems to make so much sense" Is it just me, or is he recognizing here the huge influence Sgt Pepper and Are You Experienced had on his life? If he thinks Sgt Pepper is overrated, the blame is on him also. Anyway, my answer to your question is NO. It is not overrated. |
|||||
Zeph
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 16 2014 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 568 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
The problem with a question like this is that it doesn't differentiate between the music and the influence it had. Steven Wilson has been mentioned a few times and fwiw., he has said Sgt. Pepper is one of the most influential albums ever recorded, if not the top one. When he says he finds the album overrated, it's from a musical perspective, not the influence it had. He puts other albums by The Beatles ahead of Sgt. Pepper and would not put it anywhere near the top of his all-time favorites. He does not agree with all the lists that put the album as the greatest album of all time. Maybe on a list of most influential, but not the best. And why argue with that? It's musical taste you are arguing. I don't see how him mentioning the album multiple times in his music makes a difference. He is a musician and was born in the year one of the most influential albums ever were released. That doesn't mean he can't disagree with those who rank it as the best album of all time
I also find Sgt. Pepper overrated as a musical album, but I'm not a big fan of Beatles, so it can hardly be a surprise. As an influential album it's probably not overrated. |
|||||
I prophesy disaster
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 31 2017 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 4779 |
Post Options
Thanks(1)
|
||||
And Peter Hammill: |
|||||
No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man.
|
|||||
A Crimson Mellotron
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 10 2020 Location: Bulgaria Status: Online Points: 4123 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
I know, right. Oddly enough, he has said it in an interview for some magazine.
|
|||||
Lewian
Prog Reviewer Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 14728 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
I was expecting Sgt. Pepper to be the Beatles' highest rated album on PA, but actually it is only in third place. Revolver (2) and Abbey Road (1) are ahead of it. Third place is about right in my view. I'd rank Revolver first and Rubber Soul second, so the overrated one as far as I'm concerned is Abbey Road. |
|||||
POTA
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 17 2005 Status: Offline Points: 173 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
How in the hell is Abbey Road ranked so high? It has some great moments, but it’s gotta be one their least inspired albums, with some brutal filler. |
|||||
MortSahlFan
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 01 2018 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 2941 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
I think so... If you take out "A Day in the Life", it's one of their poorest albums. My favorites are White Album, and Revolver. but I think it's probably their worst album from 65-70.
|
|||||
https://www.youtube.com/c/LoyalOpposition
https://www.scribd.com/document/382737647/MortSahlFan-Song-List |
|||||
Catcher10
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17846 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
It's the only studio Beatles album I own.....but if you give me $0.25 I'll agree with you.
|
|||||
|
|||||
Boboulo
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 21 2020 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 666 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
|
|||||
jamesbaldwin
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 25 2015 Location: Milano Status: Offline Points: 5986 |
Post Options
Thanks(1)
|
||||
In my opinion,
Historically Sgt. Pepper's it was very important but more for the formal inventions than for the content: the background noises, the initial song resumed at the end (it was the first time in history), the idea of being another band playing (vanished later the second song), the concept of musical entertainment, the final song that mixes pop and John Cage, and which remains the best of the Beatles. It's a fake concept album. In content, the second side is weak, and many of the songs on the disc are similar to those of Revolver or Rubber Soul only that they are arranged in a more baroque fashion, and generally have taken the variety of musical genres already present on Revolver to exasperation, arriving at a certain point to make rock music appear as a minority, present in a few songs. McCartney now only writes vaudeville or swing or symphonic songs, in short, all retro songs. Sgt Pepper's is therefore a masterpiece of light music, popular music, but not of rock. For rock it's not a cutting-edge album at all. Personally I love it a lot but I see all these flaws. The White Album seems to me to contain songs that are more in step with the times, and Abbey Road (and Let It Be) brought the Beatles back to playing rock music, in their own way, comparing themselves with contemporary groups, and remains their best work, more complete and mature, less varied, perhaps, but certainly with more mature and committed songs. |
|||||
Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
|
|||||
Yallghurt
Forum Newbie Joined: September 13 2020 Location: America Status: Offline Points: 12 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
I wouldn't say overrated, because it is actually a great album (most Beatles albums are), but I tend to agree with other people that Revolver and White Album are much more elaborate. Eleanor Rigby surprised me so much when I first listened to it that I still remember where I was and what I was doing.
Edited by Yallghurt - September 14 2020 at 19:59 |
|||||
Zeph
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 16 2014 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 568 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
When he says "overrated", it's based on "Best of all time" lists, where Sgt. Pepper frequently appears. Here's a direct quote from an interview:
He thinks it's a good album, and one of the most influential albums ever released. He just doesn't agree that it is listed as high as it frequently is on those "Best of" lists. If it hadn't appeared on those lists, he probably wouldn't have called it overrated. A list of "Best albums of all time" has every record ever produced to choose from, and how many would put Sgt. Pepper in their top 10 of that? If the list was "Most influential albums of all time" I can see the clear case of picking Sgt. Pepper. Some authors of the lists may of course consider both the musicality and the influence when they say "best", but that may not be communicated very well. Or how you weigh such a list between musicality and influence. 50/50, 30/70? Don't forget that "overrated" means you state an opinion about someone else's opinion. It's not about the album or how you like it. You say that you disagree with how high others rate the album. It does not influence what you think of it or how you rate it. People seem to mistake this with someone (SW in this example) not liking an album or finding it important, which is incorrect.
|
|||||
Sean Trane
Special Collaborator Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20240 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
I can see where Crim is comming from.... I mean Pepper is not even the Fab Four's best album (Road is) I
have a certain fondness for Pepper, because when arriving in Canada's
english-speaking side, our english teacher made us learn the language by
using Pepper and reading the lyrics. Great & fun way to learn a barbarian tongue. |
|||||
friso
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 24 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 2506 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
I'd rather say its underrated. Its a truly progressive album that's really fun to listen to as well. Even in groups. Its like a Christmas dinner when you're young. Progressive rock could have learned a lot more from its enjoyable, festive vibes.
|
|||||
I'm guitarist and songwriter for the prog-related band Mother Bass. Find us at http://www.motherbass.com. I also enter stages throughout the Netherlands performing my poetry.
|
|||||
Dellinger
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: June 18 2009 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 12732 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
I actually don't really like it that much. That doesn't mean it's overrated.
|
|||||
Droxford
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 16 2020 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 287 |
Post Options
Thanks(1)
|
||||
To be honest , I don't know.
I own several Beatles albums including 'Pepper' . I totally understand that The fact that we are having this discussion 53 years later says a great deal. That each track on the album is quite individual and stands out well. Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention parodying the original cover for their album 'We are only in it for the Money' is still quite a tribute to the importance of 'Pepper'. 'A Day in the Life' is astonishing , Two songs rammed together , an orchestra playing in a discordant fashion thrown in, is an absolute classic. I played it to a friend who doesn't get The Beatles, and they had to agree that the track is an achievement. But I am an getting on in years. I just do not know, as we stumble further into the 21st Century if 'Pepper' is that important. But a fascinating thread nevertheless. |
|||||
FatherChristmas
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 30 2020 Location: LandofGrey&Pink Status: Offline Points: 2457 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
Yes, we are discussing it 53 years later, that means a great deal. It is of huge historical importance. But remember Beatlemania! That exagerrated, emphasised and overated everything they band did. What effect did that have one our opinion? It all comes down to what you call overated. I do not think it is underated. In fact, I think it's just where it should be, overated or not. If it is overated, perhaps it deserves to be so. Certainly an interesting thread. |
|||||
"Music is the wine that fills the cup of silence" - Robert Fripp
"I am an anti-Christ" - Johnny Rotten |
|||||
Post Reply | Page <12345 9> |
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |