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A Crimson Mellotron 
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 Topic: How about progressive pop as another sub-genre?Posted: September 13 2020 at 05:57 |
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Quite a lot of the 80s rock and pop output could fit into this (Peter Gabriel, Phil Collins, Genesis, Yes, Kate Bush), and even more recent albums could (To the Bone, The Future Bites)?
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Posted: September 13 2020 at 05:58 |
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what's wrong with the subgenre they are in right now? why change?
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Posted: September 13 2020 at 06:06 |
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Nothing wrong at all. It's just that, for example, Wilson's music has changed, also Opeth have changed, and yet they are put in some category that does not really reveal much about what is actually going on. As for progressive pop, I guess it could be interesting to see what bands do other forum members think would fit in?
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Posted: September 13 2020 at 06:09 |
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yeah, bands are tagged on PA and not albums. We can't change that. Funny thing, a lot of times what people call progressive pop is not pop at all. Most of that music was not even present in the mainstream. Also not everything that is catchy is pop music. |
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Posted: September 13 2020 at 06:51 |
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Yes - pop is just what is popular at the time.
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Posted: September 13 2020 at 07:03 |
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I don't think Led Zeppelin were ever 'pop'
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what is pop music anymore? No matter how I try to define it, it makes less and less sense. Does pop music include whatever music is popular? Then Led Zep is pop, and so is Slayer.  Does pop mean whatever is mainstream? Trendy or trending... ?  |
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Posted: September 13 2020 at 07:18 |
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We already have a sub-genre that is synonymous with "progressive pop"... it's called "Crossover Prog".
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Posted: September 13 2020 at 07:23 |
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Led Zeppelin were popular, so yes, they made pop music. It just isn't very popular these days. "Does pop mean whatever is mainstream? Trendy or trending... ? " Yep, pretty much.
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This correct. |
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No, Led Zep never were a "pop" band in the sense of making singles for the top 30 market. They were popular yes, but pop, no way.
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Posted: September 13 2020 at 07:46 |
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like I said, what is pop music anymore? even worse, what is progressive pop?
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Posted: September 13 2020 at 07:59 |
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I personally wouldn't add any more subgenres. There's still too many ATM IMHO.
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No. We don't need reviews of Phil Collins' solo albums.
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True - and I personally think that there is no such thing as prog pop. It's just artists/bands who started out as prog rock going in a more pop direction, and bands who say they started out as prog pop are really art pop bands - art pop and prog pop effectively have the same definitions. Prog pop was originally what prog rock bands were called in the 60s, probably because rock was pop back then - they were synonyms. Note the "probably", I know it's highly debatable.
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On the presumption that Progressive Pop is another name for Art Pop, I think Kate Bush is one of the best-known artists in that particular genre, although I agree with Cristi for once and don't feel there's any need to create more work by adding yet another genre to the already extensive list of PA prog genres.
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Ok, they didn't neccesarily make hugely successful singles, but does that really mean they weren't pop? I feel pop is far too much of a discredit round here. After all, Pink Floyd was really popular, but why are they not considered pop? Because prog fans don't like pop music and think it's the most disgusting thing on Earth?
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Yes, on the whole, no need. Kate Bush is here already anyway.
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Posted: September 13 2020 at 10:34 |
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Progressive pop would be more or less the same thing as crossover prog.
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^I suppose so. Duke should be categorised as crossover here (I think) for the combination of prog, pop, jazz and symphonic rock, so you could argue there's prog pop in that album. I still don't think it's a proper sub-genre though.
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