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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 18915 |
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I'm typically the only one(that I know of)who talks about gold and platinum albums(and sales in general)on here but this time it wasn't me. Anyway, "court" was released in 69 but didn't go gold until 77 so yeah 8 years. So far it's the only album of theirs to be certified gold. No other albums of theirs have. However, I'd be willing to bet the "court" has gone platinum by now(over 40 years after it has been certified gold)or at the very least is very close to it(maybe 900,000 albums sold) especially with all the attention it has received in prog circles and even beyond in the past ten years or so. The RIAA, however, doesn't always keep close tabs on album sales and from what I understand they usually won't check an albums sales figures unless the label requests it.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 18915 |
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Frank Zappa isn't a band. I have nothing against him but he's a solo artist. If you included him you would also have to include Mike Oldfield, Rick Wakeman, Peter Gabriel and maybe a few others. Otherwise it's just a list of your personal favorites. Nothing wrong with that but I don't think that was the task requested. As for GG they are one of the most important bands whether you think so or not. They are usually ranked just after King Crimson as far as importance goes(ie number one of the "second tier" bands). A lot of people on this site don't seem to agree(maybe it's an age thing)so you aren't the only one but that doesn't change their place in the history of prog.
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17965 |
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Wow, I guess I did not know it took 8yrs to go Gold, I would have guessed by '73.
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kenethlevine ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog-Folk Team Joined: December 06 2006 Location: New England Status: Offline Points: 9073 |
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Commercially speaking, Gentle Giant is probably more than one level below any of the other 7 or 8 that tend to get named in the top 6. Given how popular ELP, Floyd, Yes, Genesis, Tull, and even KC were. They had reasonable success in America (perhaps about the same as Strawbs, who also had considerable UK success which eluded GG, but not as high as Renaissance), but were not big in the UK at any point. From a prog point of view, even though I don't much like them, they are huge, the epitome of prog in some sense.
Also somebody had mentioned that all of KC albums went gold...not in the US. Only in the Court did. I remember when it happened too. 1977, I heard it on the radio. The announcers noted that it took 8 years to go gold, which is longer than most albums stayed in print even back then! Apparently it eventually went platinum https://www.riaa.com/?s=king+crimson Edited by kenethlevine - September 08 2020 at 19:59 |
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HackettFan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 20 2012 Location: Oklahoma Status: Offline Points: 7951 |
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I don’t like them as many of my posts can attest, but I honestly don’t see them as top tier. Nevertheless, a very good and significant band, my tastes aside. On another matter directed at anyone or everyone, I don’t see how Zappa can ever be left out. His albums sold well, enough, but he was also more prolific than everyone else. So, his sales have to be considered as a sum total of the whole body of his work. Zappa managed to fund not only his bands, but also multiple orchestra projects, which are not cheap to fund. So, yes he was pulling in sales. His influence is also huge and he was essentially the first Prog artist. What’s special about the number six? |
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1 Pink Floyd 2 Brian Eno 3 Can 4 Radiohead 5 The Mothers of Invention 6 Faust
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@ The Dark Elf Glad you picked up on who this is........I just started reading these posts and thought...."hmm I smell something familiar, reminiscent of large patties in a cow field". Best to leave him to his ramblings, I've warned people over at Steve Hoffman Forums about his odor too....
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17965 |
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13227 |
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![]() 50 Greatest Prog Rock Albums of All Time#13 - Pink Floyd, 'Animals' (1977)#4 - Pink Floyd, 'Wish You Were Here' (1975)#1 - Pink Floyd, 'The Dark Side of the Moon (1973) |
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13227 |
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Do you even read the articles you post, Svetonio? Or are you back to just posting nonsense over and over again like the last time you were banned? The article lists 7 songs. All of these songs predate Dark Side of the Moon. The 7 songs are all from Floyd's psychedelic period, although one could say that "Echoes" was leaning toward prog. OMG, what a maroon.
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Any Big 6 has got to include Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, Pink Floyd and ELP, they were the biggest, most influential prog bands of the late 60s/early 70s. The 6th choice is harder, personally I would include Camel but that's just because they're one of my favourite bands, but you could equally choose Tull, Rush, Gentle Giant, or possibly some others. Maybe we need a Big 8 or Big 10?
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here's an idea - next time someone starts a "big 6" topic, let's just close it, or when someone creates a topic on prog divisions, let's just shut them down. There, I said it.
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13227 |
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Your link brings up a Paul Anka article. Paul Anka was neither psychedelic or prog. Although the song "Having My Baby" was definitely weird. Needless to say, your article (once I found it) is from 2020, and the characterization that Gilmour is a psychedelic guitarist is incorrect on the part of whatever 12 year old wrote the piece. Nearly every music site I looked at makes a clear delineation from THE Pink Floyd the psychedelic band, and Pink Floyd the progressive rock band. This is particularly true when reviewing albums from DSotM and onward, where the music is denoted as prog and not psychedelic.... ProgArchives RateYourMusic (Prog Rock is the main header for DSotM and WYWH, and on Animals any mention of psych disappears altogether) Prog Ears All Music Rolling Stone (50 Greatest Prog Albums lists Animals #13, Wish You Were Here #4 and DSotM #1)... loudersound popmatters discogs digitaldreamdoor vinylworld Scaruffi Even Wikipedia. Yes, even Wikipedia. In fact, look up every "Greatest Albums of Prog" list and Pink Floyd albums are there. Now, look up the "Greatest Psychedelic Albums of All Time" and every list has Piper at the Gates of Dawn or Ummagumma, but not Dark Side of the Moon, WYWH or Animals. EVERY LIST. NME, Rolling Stone, Pitchfork, DigitalDreamDoor --even a site called PSYCHEDELIC SIGHT only mentions pre-DSotM albums on its list. Here is an article that describes the transformation (and that is not about Paul Anka): The Dark Side of the Moon did for progressive music what Sgt. Pepper did for rock 'n' roll: elevating it from pop to art, and through one indelible and irrevocable triumph, granted authenticity -- for all time-- to an entire genre. Edited by The Dark Elf - September 08 2020 at 08:12 |
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You do realize that Alex Young, who founded Consequence of Sound in 2007, was not even born when Dark Side of the Moon was released. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Svetonio, this is what happens you bring Ramen noodles to an intellectual gunfight. I offered an actual, contemporary review of the album from THE major rock magazine in 1973 (and Rolling Stone was, at the time), you offered a title of an article written by a guy who wasn't even born yet. |
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I see this question as a moving target. Below is a list of top selling albums that made the UK Charts which fall early on under Psychedelic (1966-68) and then bands migrated and Progressive Albums started to become popular. So if you look at it in waves then you have:
BIG 6 WAVES Wave 1 = Big 6 Forefathers: Beatles, The Who, Rolling Stones, Jimi Hendrix, Cream and Pink Floyd Wave 2 - 1st Proggers (1969/1970): Moody Blues, Family, Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull, The Nice, King Crimson Wave 3 - Established Proggers (1971 -1973): Yes, ELP, Pink Floyd, Focus, Mike Oldfield, Roxy Music I would throw Genesis into a Wave 4 all be it for a short time before they changed to Pop Music. Also Hawkwind would be a strong consideration for Wave 3. It does seem that the big era for Progressive rock was between 1969 and 1973. In 1974 it was already declining in the UK. But it was around this time that it started to really take hold around the world as people were listening to the Albums created between 1969 and 1973. Anyway that is all just my opinion. 1966 The Beatles - Revolver (sort of the first Psychedelic) 1967 - Psychedelic Era The Who - A Quick One (very experimental - Great Album Jan 1967) - Probably the first taste of progressive creativity Rolling Stones - Between The Buttons Jimi Hendrix - Are You Experienced Beatles - Sergeant Pepper Pink Floyd - Piper at the Gates of Dawn Cream - Disraeli Gears Jimi Hendrix - Axis: Bold as Love Rolling Stones - Their Satanic Majesties Request 1968 Moody Blues - In Search of the Lost Chord Pink Floyd - A Saucer full of Secrets (More Psychedelic/Space Rock) Traffic - Traffic (More Psychedelic) Jethro Tull - This Was (more Blues Rock/Jazz Fusion) Jimi Hendrix Experience (Psychedelic) 1969 Family - Family Entertainment Moody Blues - On a Threshold of a Dream Pink Floyd - More Jethro Tull - Stand Up (really blues rock) Blodwyn Pig - A Head Rings Out Nice - The Nice King Crimson - In the court of the Crimson King Pink Floyd - Ummagumma Moody Blues - To Our Children's Children 1970 Family - A Song For Me Chicago - Chicago Blodwyn Pig - Getting To This Jethro Tull - Benefit King Crimson - In The Wake of Poseidon The Nice - Five Bridges Moody Blues - A Question of Balance Pink Floyd - Atom Heart Mother Family - Anyway ELP - Emerson, Lake and Palmer 1971 Curved Air - Air Conditioning Yes - The Yes Album Jethro Tull - Aqualung The Nice - Elegy ELP - Tarkus Moody Blues - Every Good Boy Deserves a Favour Pink Floyd - Meddle ELP - Pictures at an Exhibition Yes - Fragile 1972 Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick Wishbone Ash - Argus Pink Floyd - Obscured by Clouds ELP - Trilogy Jethro Tull - Living in the Past Yes - Close to the Edge Roxy Music - Roxy Music Seventh Sojourn - Moody Blues 1973 Focus - Focus II (Moving Waves) Focus - Focus III Strawbs - Bursting at the Seams Rick Wakeman - Six Wives of Henry the 8th Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon Roxy Music - For Your Pleasure Yes - Yessongs Hawkwind - Space Ritual Genesis - Genesis Live Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells Genesis - Selling England By The Pound Roxy Music - Stranded Yes - Tales from Topographic Oceans 1974 ELP - Brain Salad Surgery ELP - Welcome Back, My Friends, to the Show That Never Ends Rick Wakeman - Journey to the Center of the Earth Mike Oldfield - Hergest Ridge Yes - Relayer Best regards
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