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Nogbad_The_Bad
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So the fans from 69 to 74 were older than those from 75 to 77? Dear god!!!
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The Dark Elf
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Actually, no, prog was not the most popular in 1975-1977. I don't know what turnip truck you fell off of, but you are unequivocally wrong. Thick as a Brick and A Passion Play went to #1 in the US in 1972 and 1973 (a year prior, in 1971, Aqualung was top ten in both the U.S. and the UK, Living in the Past was also top ten in '72, and in '74 War Child went to #2 in the States). Fragile, Close to the Edge, Tales from Topographic Oceans and Relayer were all top ten albums in 71, 72, 73 and 74. Tarkus and Trilogy were top ten in both the U.S. and the UK in 1971 and '72 (with Brain Salad Surgery falling just outside the top ten at #11 in '73). Both Dark Side of the Moon (1973) and Wish You Were Here (1975) were #1 albums -- and neither were "psychedelic". They were prog. So, four of the alleged "Top Six" had their greatest selling albums between 1971 and 1975, not thereafter. Hilariously, Genesis did not have a top ten album in the states until ABACAB. |
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The Dark Elf
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No, what you stated was '"Prog" was the most popular in 1975-1977'. Your words. It was not. Throwing in asinine qualifiers like "symphonic rock" does not mean a thing, because we are talking prog as a an overall qualification, not parsing. In fact, from a popularity of prog standpoint, the height was 1973, when three different prog albums went to #1: The Moody Blues' Seventh Sojourn, Jethro Tull's A Passion Play, and Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon. No other year had that many prog albums reach the top.
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The Dark Elf
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The word "popularity" must mean something different in Serbia. A genre reaches its height in "popularity" when it sells the most albums, hence it is "popular". For instance, Psychedelia was most popular from 1966 to 1969, and albums that were psychedelic tended to end up in the top ten in sales, and every band was on the bandwagon, from The Beatles to the Stones to the Doors and Hendrix; that was no longer the case by 1970, and the genre petered out. The same can be said of punk when it quickly died out and was sanitized into New Wave. Prog's greatest popularity was from 1971 to 1975, when more prog albums were purchased by more people than at any other time in music history. It is a fact, and numbers can back it up. Again, your diversion into Symphonic Rock babble doesn't mean a hill of beans.
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Same with me. I always thought Genesis, Pink Floyd, JT, KC, ELP, and Yes were THE Big Six by default. My personal preference for MY Big Six would be: Rush Camel Genesis Emerson Lake & Palmer Pink Floyd Yes Edited by judahbenkenobi - September 07 2020 at 22:41 |
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I like the way you think. I'd be willing to go with that sextet, only I'd add Tangerine Dream (they spawned countless knockoffs, along with former member Klaus Schulze) in lieu of PFM.
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The Dark Elf
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Dark Side of the Moon, WYWH and Animals are not psychedelic albums, Svetonio. We didn't refer to them as psychedelic when they were released, and neither did reviewers. Psychedelia was passe by then and no one referred to music as such by the mid-70s (not if you wanted to sell albums). In fact, none of those albums bore any of the traits The Pink Floyd had when they released psychedelic albums like Piper at the Gates of Dawn, Saucerful of Secrets, More or Ummagumma. But just to show you that you have no idea what you are talking about, here is the first paragraph of the review from Rolling Stone in October, 1973 found here... https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-album-reviews/dark-side-of-the-moon-255381/ One of Britain’s most successful and long lived avant-garde rock bands, Pink Floyd emerged relatively unsullied from the mire of mid-Sixties British psychedelic music as early experimenters with outer space concepts. Although that phase of the band’s development was of short duration, Pink Floyd have from that time been the pop scene’s preeminent techno-rockers: four musicians with a command of electronic instruments who wield an arsenal of sound effects with authority and finesse. Please note the condescending nature the author of the piece had for psychedelia. Note also that the author infers that Pink Floyd had progressed beyond that juvenile stage of their development.
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by Alex Young on 2015-08-14T19:39:51+00:00" title="This date and/or time has been adjusted to match your timezone">August 14, 2015, 9:39pm
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Earl of Mar
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Personal big 6.
Genesis Rush Yes Pink Floyd Tull Renaissance. |
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I see this question as a moving target. Below is a list of top selling albums that made the UK Charts which fall early on under Psychedelic (1966-68) and then bands migrated and Progressive Albums started to become popular. So if you look at it in waves then you have:
BIG 6 WAVES Wave 1 = Big 6 Forefathers: Beatles, The Who, Rolling Stones, Jimi Hendrix, Cream and Pink Floyd Wave 2 - 1st Proggers (1969/1970): Moody Blues, Family, Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull, The Nice, King Crimson Wave 3 - Established Proggers (1971 -1973): Yes, ELP, Pink Floyd, Focus, Mike Oldfield, Roxy Music I would throw Genesis into a Wave 4 all be it for a short time before they changed to Pop Music. Also Hawkwind would be a strong consideration for Wave 3. It does seem that the big era for Progressive rock was between 1969 and 1973. In 1974 it was already declining in the UK. But it was around this time that it started to really take hold around the world as people were listening to the Albums created between 1969 and 1973. Anyway that is all just my opinion. 1966 The Beatles - Revolver (sort of the first Psychedelic) 1967 - Psychedelic Era The Who - A Quick One (very experimental - Great Album Jan 1967) - Probably the first taste of progressive creativity Rolling Stones - Between The Buttons Jimi Hendrix - Are You Experienced Beatles - Sergeant Pepper Pink Floyd - Piper at the Gates of Dawn Cream - Disraeli Gears Jimi Hendrix - Axis: Bold as Love Rolling Stones - Their Satanic Majesties Request 1968 Moody Blues - In Search of the Lost Chord Pink Floyd - A Saucer full of Secrets (More Psychedelic/Space Rock) Traffic - Traffic (More Psychedelic) Jethro Tull - This Was (more Blues Rock/Jazz Fusion) Jimi Hendrix Experience (Psychedelic) 1969 Family - Family Entertainment Moody Blues - On a Threshold of a Dream Pink Floyd - More Jethro Tull - Stand Up (really blues rock) Blodwyn Pig - A Head Rings Out Nice - The Nice King Crimson - In the court of the Crimson King Pink Floyd - Ummagumma Moody Blues - To Our Children's Children 1970 Family - A Song For Me Chicago - Chicago Blodwyn Pig - Getting To This Jethro Tull - Benefit King Crimson - In The Wake of Poseidon The Nice - Five Bridges Moody Blues - A Question of Balance Pink Floyd - Atom Heart Mother Family - Anyway ELP - Emerson, Lake and Palmer 1971 Curved Air - Air Conditioning Yes - The Yes Album Jethro Tull - Aqualung The Nice - Elegy ELP - Tarkus Moody Blues - Every Good Boy Deserves a Favour Pink Floyd - Meddle ELP - Pictures at an Exhibition Yes - Fragile 1972 Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick Wishbone Ash - Argus Pink Floyd - Obscured by Clouds ELP - Trilogy Jethro Tull - Living in the Past Yes - Close to the Edge Roxy Music - Roxy Music Seventh Sojourn - Moody Blues 1973 Focus - Focus II (Moving Waves) Focus - Focus III Strawbs - Bursting at the Seams Rick Wakeman - Six Wives of Henry the 8th Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon Roxy Music - For Your Pleasure Yes - Yessongs Hawkwind - Space Ritual Genesis - Genesis Live Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells Genesis - Selling England By The Pound Roxy Music - Stranded Yes - Tales from Topographic Oceans 1974 ELP - Brain Salad Surgery ELP - Welcome Back, My Friends, to the Show That Never Ends Rick Wakeman - Journey to the Center of the Earth Mike Oldfield - Hergest Ridge Yes - Relayer Best regards
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The Dark Elf
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You do realize that Alex Young, who founded Consequence of Sound in 2007, was not even born when Dark Side of the Moon was released. Svetonio, this is what happens you bring Ramen noodles to an intellectual gunfight. I offered an actual, contemporary review of the album from THE major rock magazine in 1973 (and Rolling Stone was, at the time), you offered a title of an article written by a guy who wasn't even born yet. |
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Your link brings up a Paul Anka article. Paul Anka was neither psychedelic or prog. Although the song "Having My Baby" was definitely weird. Needless to say, your article (once I found it) is from 2020, and the characterization that Gilmour is a psychedelic guitarist is incorrect on the part of whatever 12 year old wrote the piece. Nearly every music site I looked at makes a clear delineation from THE Pink Floyd the psychedelic band, and Pink Floyd the progressive rock band. This is particularly true when reviewing albums from DSotM and onward, where the music is denoted as prog and not psychedelic.... ProgArchives RateYourMusic (Prog Rock is the main header for DSotM and WYWH, and on Animals any mention of psych disappears altogether) Prog Ears All Music Rolling Stone (50 Greatest Prog Albums lists Animals #13, Wish You Were Here #4 and DSotM #1)... loudersound popmatters discogs digitaldreamdoor vinylworld Scaruffi Even Wikipedia. Yes, even Wikipedia. In fact, look up every "Greatest Albums of Prog" list and Pink Floyd albums are there. Now, look up the "Greatest Psychedelic Albums of All Time" and every list has Piper at the Gates of Dawn or Ummagumma, but not Dark Side of the Moon, WYWH or Animals. EVERY LIST. NME, Rolling Stone, Pitchfork, DigitalDreamDoor --even a site called PSYCHEDELIC SIGHT only mentions pre-DSotM albums on its list. Here is an article that describes the transformation (and that is not about Paul Anka): The Dark Side of the Moon did for progressive music what Sgt. Pepper did for rock 'n' roll: elevating it from pop to art, and through one indelible and irrevocable triumph, granted authenticity -- for all time-- to an entire genre. Edited by The Dark Elf - September 08 2020 at 08:12 |
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here's an idea - next time someone starts a "big 6" topic, let's just close it, or when someone creates a topic on prog divisions, let's just shut them down. There, I said it.
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